'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[BGIF]

We have a chance to be 10-2 after being 4-8. Its been a great season so far. I am still excited about this team. FWIW.

This is a real fan. Recognizes and commends improvement, can critique performance, and still pursues excellence without executing the ND TEAM because they didn't meet his expectations.


Last week ND was supposed to have set an All-Time Total Offense Performance. This week they set a record for largest margin of loss as an AP ranked team. The Esctasy and the Agony in back to back weeks.

 

[T-Boone]

We have a chance to be 10-2 after being 4-8. Its been a great season so far. I am still excited about this team. FWIW.

Totally.

 

[irishff1014]

We have a chance to be 10-2 after being 4-8. Its been a great season so far. I am still excited about this team. FWIW.

You are exactly right. We couldn’t handle the pressure for a number 3 spot.

However Brandon needs to get withRees, Kelly, and Long and learn how to throw a freaking football. Half of his throws are so ugly and wobbly. I know this is his first year in game situations but being here for 2 years he should be able to throw the ball better than he has.

And neither of our wide receivers are consistent threat. They drop balls and can’t get away from coverage. Our passing attack is at best a D-!

 

[brewdog_14527]

We have a chance to be 10-2 after being 4-8. Its been a great season so far. I am still excited about this team. FWIW.

Agree with this totally. New offense, New defense, new S and C program Rookie QB. Some of those take some time. This season needs to be considered a success to this point. Would be real nice to finish at 10-2, and I am not sure who had that after the debacle of last year. Crushed USC. Crushed Mich St. Played a good Georgia team (whol also got rolled with a frosh qb) tough. This has been a good season.

With that said, I hope that our leaders respond this week. Big Mike can yell and scream all he wants, but he got abused last night. Needs to rebound. Josh needs to find some mojo. He looks slow the last 2 weeks.

THis is probably my fault. I ordered the 33 Trucking hat before the Wake game. Sorry!!

 

[IrishLax]

You really viewed that game as played at the same intensity as UGA and Miami? The whole country had their eyes on that/this game. The whole country did not have their eyes on the USC game. The stage was big, but not at this magnitude. If that’s not obvious I dont know what is.

That's probably the dumbest metric for measuring a game, ever. The USC game at the time had both schools ranked higher than they were in the UGA/ND game. Acting like it wasn't a "big game" is hilariously stupid and you know that. Come on.

 

[STLDomer]

That's probably the dumbest metric for measuring a game, ever. The USC game at the time had both schools ranked higher than they were in the UGA/ND game. Acting like it wasn't a "big game" is hilariously stupid and you know that. Come on.

So the degree to which the public has their attention to the game is less important than the little numbers we put next to our names via the coaches or ap poll, which is universally regarded as worthless by most knowledgeable fans? Even the ones that make them? The week whatever AP poll ranking is really what you’re gonna roll with as being of the utmost importance?

Yeah okay.

 

[NDFAN420]

We have a chance to be 10-2 after being 4-8. Its been a great season so far. I am still excited about this team. FWIW.

It's not that I don't want to feel this way, it's just that despite it all, I know that BK is still the coach and it really looked like it for the first time last night.

 

[STLDomer]

If more people watched NCIS than the game, I’m not calling it one of the two biggest games of the year. I don’t care what the rankings say.

 

[IrishLax]

If more people watched NCIS than the game, I’m not calling it one of the two biggest games of the year. I don’t care what the rankings say.

You're using "TV ratings" as an equivalent for "amount people paid attention"...

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...you do know that TV ratings reflect the average viewership throughout the game and people CHANGED THE CHANNEL BECAUSE ND WAS KILLING THEM, right? And there were other good games to flip to? Do you or do you not understand how live ratings work?

Every single college football show (national and otherwise) for the next week did multiple segments about that game. It was talked about a LOT more before and after the fact than than Georgia beating barely-ranked ND in week 2. The ND-Georgia game got a tepid "oh, well Georgia went to South Bend and barely beat an ND team that was unranked to start the year."

Please stop pushing BS about that USC game "not being a big game." You know that's not true. And if you want to measure actual public engagement in a game, simply look at the tweets and other social media postings surrounding and during Georgia-ND vs USC-ND. There was WAY more engagement during and surrounding the USC game.

So in summary:
1. Game against arch-rival
2. Higher rankings for both teams
3. More media and social engagement (during and surrounding the game)
4. Less TV ratings because people switched the channel to other good games

 

[STLDomer]

All of that is heresay.

I can also dig up the players quotes how their whole offseason built to that UGA too if you’d like. But you haven’t posted any real evidence to your Twitter argument or people changed the channel (weird 6 million people didn’t change the channel last night with a far better Bama game on) argument so I won’t waste my time.

Agree to disagree.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

The real question no one is answering: how the fuck did BW almost break the HS pass completion record his senior year? Its not like he played in some tiny school in the middle of Wyoming.

 

[BobbyMac]

The real question no one is answering: how the fuck did BW almost break the HS pass completion record his senior year? Its not like he played in some tiny school in the middle of Wyoming.

Not meaning to follow you around this board but maybe HS and college are different beasts? Look at Jurkovec... he's at 75% too and was widely thrown under the bus for bad mechanics.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Not meaning to follow you around this board but maybe HS and college are different beasts? Look at Jurkovec... he's at 75% too and was widely thrown under the bus for bad mechanics.

I know, but I feel like theres a difference between bad mechanics and not putting the ball within three feet of the WR on the pick. There are college QBs who get drilled come draft time because of bad mechanics even though they can still complete open passes. I feel like to hit like 80% of your passes in HS you have to be able to at least hit an open man and BW doesn't look like he can do that consistently.

 

[Henges24]

Rees really needs to get into BWs head about handling adversity and how to stay cool and collective during big moments. He looked like a puppy dog out there at times, especially after his 2nd INT.

 

[dwshade]

I know, but I feel like theres a difference between bad mechanics and not putting the ball within three feet of the WR on the pick. There are college QBs who get drilled come draft time because of bad mechanics even though they can still complete open passes. I feel like to hit like 80% of your passes in HS you have to be able to at least hit an open man and BW doesn't look like he can do that consistently.

Agreed. A lot of the top college QB's have mechanics to work on including Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Grier, etc. But that doesn't stop them from making the plays necessary in the passing game. On the opening drive Wimbush has to make that pass to EQ for a TD. You simply can't miss on that one. But on some of his throws his mechanics were so bad there was no chance for a completed pass.

 

[tko]

BW had a tough one, no doubt, but that offensive game plan was not going to work. Put the big oh pants back on and take care of Navy. Long, please learn quickly and put the guys in better situations.

 

[BobbyMac]

Dude has the skill set to be a very good QB. Sometimes GREAT athletes go through crazy spells where they can't do what they've done without thinking for years. Hopefully he's simply got a case of the yips that goes away on its own but to think that he can't be accurate is silly being that he's already been historically accurate in HS.

 

[dwshade]

Being accurate in HS and being accurate in college are different things. Competition is much better, much faster, more sophisticated defensive schemes. We have a former NFL scout (30 years with Bills and Bears) on another board who writes for a national publication and is also an ND fan. He's been rather blunt in his assessment of Wimbush. He doesn't even believe he should be playing QB.

 

[GoldenDome]

Wimbush is still a young pup needing to refine his mechanics and have a short memory. He got rattled and rushed his throws.

 

[dwshade]

Wimbush is still a young pup needing to refine his mechanics and have a short memory. He got rattled and rushed his throws.

I'd buy that if he were a FR. but this is his third year in the program.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Wimbush did not play up to his potential last night
He will bounce back.
seems he still has trouble processing the speed of the game, rushes and the pass sails.

 

[ickythump1225]

Wimbush will start next year but after that I think it may be Jurkovec's show.

 

[BobbyMac]

Being accurate in HS and being accurate in college are different things. Competition is much better, much faster, more sophisticated defensive schemes. We have a former NFL scout (30 years with Bills and Bears) on another board who writes for a national publication and is also an ND fan. He's been rather blunt in his assessment of Wimbush. He doesn't even believe he should be playing QB.

Who is that? I'd like to read more of this in depth. I'd like to hear from an NFL scout what makes Wimbush a position change candidate because if he'd be a better WR or RB... I'm down for that.

Also, of course HS and college is different. But I'd like to hear from a professional what makes a guy who was uber accurate at the highest level of HS football a lesser prospect than a guy like Josh Allen who was a sub 60% passer playing against podunk 2A competition in rural central valley California.

 

[dwshade]

Who is that? I'd like to read more of this in depth. I'd like to hear from an NFL scout what makes Wimbush a position change candidate because if he'd be a better WR or RB... I'm down for that.

Also, of course HS and college is different. But I'd like to hear from a professional what makes a guy who was uber accurate at the highest level of HS football a lesser prospect than a guy like Josh Allen who was a sub 60% passer playing against podunk 2A competition in rural central valley California.

Greg Gabriel. Scouted for the Bills when they had their SB teams and then scouted for the Bears.

 

[BobbyMac]

Greg Gabriel. Scouted for the Bills when they had their SB teams and then scouted for the Bears.

Thanks alot shade. I actually follow him but have him on mute with all the other Bears related feeds. I can't take the Bears right now on the 24hr social media cycle. Somehow I missed he's an Irish fan. Which board does he guest write on? I'd really like to dig into some of his pieces even if it means taking out the wallet. He did a hell of a job for the Bears in the 00's. Does he post links on Twitter to these pieces? Reps... *IE says I rep you too much.*

 

[dwshade]

Thanks alot shade. I actually follow him but have him on mute with all the other Bears related feeds. I can't take the Bears right now on the 24hr social media cycle. Somehow I missed he's an Irish fan. Which board does he guest write on? I'd really like to dig into some of his pieces even if it means taking out the wallet. He did a hell of a job for the Bears in the 00's. Does he post links on Twitter to these pieces? Reps.

He writes for Pro Football Weekly. He's on Irish Illustrated although I haven't seen him since the merger with 247. I'm sure he's still around. He did a great draft write-up on ND prospects last year before the draft. I've PM'd him quite a few times around draft time as I am a noted draft junkie. Always gives me good info during draft season. Good guy. He's become a Baker Mayfield fan this year while scouting him.

 

[BobbyMac]

He writes for Pro Football Weekly. He's on Irish Illustrated although I haven't seen him since the merger with 247. I'm sure he's still around. He did a great draft write-up on ND prospects last year before the draft. I've PM'd him quite a few times around draft time as I am a noted draft junkie. Always gives me good info during draft season. Good guy. He's become a Baker Mayfield fan this year while scouting him.

Great info. I unmuted him and will dig through his ND nuggets on twitter. Reps again.

 

[dwshade]

He knows Hiestand very well and is obviously a big fan of Harry.

 

[BeatSC]

BW will start next year as long as he keeps running and minimizes turnovers and we keep winning. I've has two more years of eligibility and will not be good enough to come out early. After next year who starts is TBD. If BW uses his brain he will run run run like he should have done last night. No one has mentioned how he sat in the pocket often with ample time but didn't pull the trigger. He needs more pocket awareness. He needs to feel the rush and make subtle moves in the pocket if he isn't going to take off sooner. Some of those throws were beyond awful though.

 

[dwshade]

If he doesn't show a lot of improvement in the passing game he'll be replaced. It's tough to beat good teams without a balanced attack.