'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[stlnd01]

BW will start next year as long as he keeps running and minimizes turnovers and we keep winning. I've has two more years of eligibility and will not be good enough to come out early. After next year who starts is TBD. If BW uses his brain he will run run run like he should have done last night. No one has mentioned how he sat in the pocket often with ample time but didn't pull the trigger. He needs more pocket awareness. He needs to feel the rush and make subtle moves in the pocket if he isn't going to take off sooner. Some of those throws were beyond awful though.

The funny thing, until last night, he had looked decidedly better in his last few games. Was starting to develop the pocket presence you need to be effective at throwing the ball.

 

[tko]

I love the ragging on Wimbush. The kid has absolutely balled out this season. Sure, his passing needs work, but Chip Long has to do a better job in big situations to get him in some sort of rhythm and the receivers need to catch the ball and help a brother out. Long's offensive game plan against both Georgia and Miami stunk to high heaven. I really thought he learned his lesson from Georgia and what works for Wimbush and what doesn't. Give the kid a damn break. This falls squarely on Long and Kelly for not putting in the proper plays and allowing the hype train to get rolling.

 

[stlnd01]

I love the ragging on Wimbush. The kid has absolutely balled out this season. Sure, his passing needs work, but Chip Long has to do a better job in big situations to get him in some sort of rhythm and the receivers need to catch the ball and help a brother out. Long's offensive game plan against both Georgia and Miami stunk to high heaven. I really thought he learned his lesson from Georgia and what works for Wimbush and what doesn't. Give the kid a damn break. This falls squarely on Long and Kelly for not putting in the proper plays and allowing the hype train to get rolling.

This. Absolutely Wimbush sails the ball sometimes and inexplicably misses throws. But other times his receivers just don't finish the job. Especially his favorite target, ESB. Too many near misses with him, and that's not all on Wimbush

 

[tko]

We did nothing but feed the beast with our slow developing play calls, refusal to force their LB's into coverage, refusal to run Wimbush with blockers, on and on and on resulting in the snowball getting bigger and bigger for Miami. They knew what was coming, everyone did.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'd buy that if he were a FR. but this is his third year in the program.

"Years" in a program is borderline irrelevant when you have (maybe) one big road start (MSU) under your belt.

That would be like expecting MVG to come in and ball, because he's a 4th year "player".

 

[dwshade]

"Years" in a program is borderline irrelevant when you have (maybe) one big road start (MSU) under your belt.

That would be like expecting MVG to come in and ball, because he's a 4th year "player".

That's ridiculous. The talent gap between the two is immense.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

That's ridiculous. The talent gap between the two is immense.

What about the experience gap? (heading into this season, specifically).

Of course this is a silly example, but that's because the argument is equally silly.

Experience > "talent"

 

[RDU Irish]

A third year player should have their mechanics down to the point it is habit and hard to F up. WTF else are you doing in practice for three years? So many of those throws were beyond terrible, inexcusable yet folks are here making excuses. Congrats on being the starting QB, you get the benefit of all the credit but unfortunately you also get plenty of blame. Not like he has been tossing dimes around all year so this feels more like an amplification of a pre-existing condition than a complete aberration "yips" thing.

I'm rooting for him to be OUR Vince Young - he has the talent. But talent alone doesn't pay the bills.

 

[irishff1014]

I love the ragging on Wimbush. The kid has absolutely balled out this season. Sure, his passing needs work, but Chip Long has to do a better job in big situations to get him in some sort of rhythm and the receivers need to catch the ball and help a brother out. Long's offensive game plan against both Georgia and Miami stunk to high heaven. I really thought he learned his lesson from Georgia and what works for Wimbush and what doesn't. Give the kid a damn break. This falls squarely on Long and Kelly for not putting in the proper plays and allowing the hype train to get rolling.

I love the athletic ability Wimbush has. But it was said before by someone else that he is Denard Robinson from Michigan. That has merritt. There is no doubt when he sees that he has to run that he is great. But when he has to pass he is lucky to be a 50% completion rating. Most of his passes are very wobbly and if you over throw a 6'4 jumping with his hands extended that's a problem and it has happened to often. First year starter or not 84th in passing yards and 87th in passing efficiency is unacceptable.

Now there have been entirely to many dropped balls by the wide receivers and tight ends. St Brown probably has 12 dropped by him self and that's unacceptable. Sat night wide open across the middle Claypool dropped on. He has to have help as well.

 

[Kingbish01]

Wimbush will be moved to RB/WR if he doesn't figure it out fast. With Jurkovec coming in, we don't have time for a QB that can't complete the deep ball. I grew up in the same Western PA area as Phil, and a few friends went to his recent playoff game against NA. He went 18-of-20 for 432 yards and four touchdowns while rushing for 107 yards on 12 carries. Ya, I get NA is not MIAMI BUT take the defense off the field and Wimbush would still not be able to connect on passes over 40 yards. I don't have that feeling about Jurkovec.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Phil-Jurkovec-on-the-money-in-playoff-win-110276688

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Wimbush will be moved to RB/WR if he doesn't figure it out fast. With Jurkovec coming in, we don't have time for a QB that can't complete the deep ball. I grew up in the same Western PA area as Phil, and a few friends went to his recent playoff game against NA. He went 18-of-20 for 432 yards and four touchdowns while rushing for 107 yards on 12 carries. Ya, I get NA is not MIAMI BUT take the defense off the field and Wimbush would still not be able to connect on passes over 40 yards. I don't have that feeling about Jurkovec.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Phil-Jurkovec-on-the-money-in-playoff-win-110276688

LMFAOOOO

Are we comparing stats to a QB in high school to one that's playing one of the best defenses in the country???

(side note: Brandon was one of the most accurate passers in HS history, just to further make your analogy look stupid af).

We have some really dim-witted posters on here.

 

[BobbyMac]

LMFAOOOO

Are we comparing stats to a QB in high school to one that's playing one of the best defenses in the country???

(side note: Brandon was one of the most accurate passers in HS history, just to further make your analogy look stupid af).

We have some really dim-witted posters on here.

And some rude AF know it alls.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

And some rude AF know it alls.

Rarely, almost never, do I stoop to this level. But the absurdity (of some) of these posters needs to be exposed.

I want a board that's not sensational, or irrational.

 

[SoIll]

Wimbush will be moved to RB/WR if he doesn't figure it out fast. With Jurkovec coming in, we don't have time for a QB that can't complete the deep ball. I grew up in the same Western PA area as Phil, and a few friends went to his recent playoff game against NA. He went 18-of-20 for 432 yards and four touchdowns while rushing for 107 yards on 12 carries. Ya, I get NA is not MIAMI BUT take the defense off the field and Wimbush would still not be able to connect on passes over 40 yards. I don't have that feeling about Jurkovec.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Phil-Jurkovec-on-the-money-in-playoff-win-110276688

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[koonja]

IMO, you don't just find accuracy in your 4th year in college. Accuracy is something you have or don't have, and it's evident in high school.

Reading a defense, getting stronger, timing, those are things you improve in college. Accuracy is more innate. I'm starting to feel like BW has a pretty low ceiling as a passer, but can still be an effective college QB simply because he can run.

 

[IrishLax]

Rarely, almost never, do I stoop to this level. But the absurdity (of some) of these posters needs to be exposed.

I want a board that's not sensational, or irrational.

Agreed. People acting like he wasn't top ten in the country in QBR heading into this game. Go look at his QBR game-by-game relative to what Kizer did last year. It's not even close.

He is missing deep balls by *this* much... he's not wildly over or underthrowing them. He is basically over-estimating how fast EQ is by one step... people think he can't fix that? Really?

The bigger issue is his mechanics for short and intermediate passes. Really bad at screens, pretty inaccurate on a lot of "timing" style routes when throwing from the pocket. That also can get cleaned up. His stat lines passing have looked way worse than they should all year because his WRs have sucked... they started playing better and he started hitting more passes... I don't care what QB you had playing last weekend with that game plan no one was going to be successful.

Notre Dame is basically 8-0 this year when Long's rushing offense keeps everything on schedule and 0-2 when the game plan is "dumb AF passing game." It's that simple. Long needs to improve in his coordinating of the passing game. I think that could definitely happen heading into next year.

 

[IrishLax]

IMO, you don't just find accuracy in your 4th year in college. Accuracy is something you have or don't have, and it's evident in high school.

Reading a defense, getting stronger, timing, those are things you improve in college. Accuracy is more innate. I'm starting to feel like BW has a pretty low ceiling as a passer, but can still be an effective college QB simply because he can run.

At the all-star camps everyone said his biggest issue was accuracy on intermediate and timing throws. That obviously hasn't changed, and I tend to agree he doesn't really show the "touch" of someone who's going to be an elite, NFL-type QB.

But frankly if you put him in an Art Briles offense or Chip Kelly offense he'd absolutely shred people (like we've seen in some games this year, too)... I think he has all the tools to light up college football if we stop calling dumb plays.

 

[ACamp1900]

Think I may have posted this in the wrong thread, or it at least its relevant here as well:

We can clearly win with Wimbush at QB and he has shown (despite Saturday night) that he can grow as a passer...

Side: I turned the game off late first half on Saturday so I didn't watch the whole thing but it did surprise me how, in the first half, he decided to stay in the pocket when there were often lanes form him to scramble as he has all year. Did that continue all game? It felt like an intentional game plan thing as he continually passed up on taking off.

 

[Kingbish01]

LMFAOOOO

Are we comparing stats to a QB in high school to one that's playing one of the best defenses in the country???

(side note: Brandon was one of the most accurate passers in HS history, just to further make your analogy look stupid af).

We have some really dim-witted posters on here.

Do your homework before you open with Wimbush was a great passer in HS, and get back to me.

 

[ACamp1900]

Honest question:

Does anyone here, even a single poster, think we are 8-2 or better if Wimbush isn't our QB this season and we instead roll with any other roster option??

 

[Kingbish01]

Honest question:

Does anyone here, even a single poster, think we are 8-2 or better with Ian Book at QB this entire season??

I don't, and I'm a dimwit know it all..lol

 

[koonja]

Honest question:

Does anyone here, even a single poster, think we are 8-2 or better if Wimbush isn't our QB this season and we instead roll with any other roster option??

I'm down on Wimbush, but I certainly don't. We'd be 6-7 wins at best right now without him IMO.

 

[Kingbish01]

I'm down on Wimbush, but I certainly don't. We'd be 6-7 wins at best right now without him IMO.

What would you say our record is with Kizer or Golson?

 

[ACamp1900]

What would you say our record is with Kizer or Golson?

I think if we only had Bobby and Aaron Taylor, Chirs Zorich and Ken Macafee we'd have been fine!!

The only relevant thing to ask is Kizer I suppose and I have no idea, each game would have played out so differently with him at QB. My best guess is we are prob still sitting at about 8-2ish....

 

[RDU Irish]

His style can work very well in college ball. Your pony needs more than one trick to win against top 10 teams though.

 

[koonja]

What would you say our record is with Kizer or Golson?

Golson, 6-7 wins. With Kizer, we'd have beaten Georgia IMO. So I'd say 9 wins, and a loss to Miami.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wimbush's Sr Stats:

12 G ... 192-265 ... 72.3% ... 3,187 yds ... 37 TD ... 4 Int ... 723 yds rush ... 5 TD

Phil updated stats:

12 G ... 175-230 ... 76.1% ... 3,003 yds ... 30 TD ... 4 Int ... 805 yds rush ... 16 TD


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[Irish#1]

BW isn't taking the time to get his feet set when it comes to the quick passes, but give Miami some credit. He was feeling the heat and felt rushed most of the time. Pull a receiver and keep a second TE or RB in to help with the pressure. BW has more time and better accuracy. Even elite NFL QB's accuracy goes way down when they are constantly pressured.

 

[Kingbish01]

Wimbush's Sr Stats:

12 G ... 192-265 ... 72.3% ... 3,187 yds ... 37 TD ... 4 Int ...723 yds rush ... 5 TD

Thanks for this. Facts are Facts, and mine were off.

 

[Kingbish01]

Golson, 6-7 wins. With Kizer, we'd have beaten Georgia IMO. So I'd say 9 wins, and a loss to Miami.

What 1 or 2 games would Golson have lost that Wimbush won? Not being a smart azz, but curious which games you felt Wimbush made a difference in that EG wouldn't have.