'15 IL WR Miles Boykin (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[GBdomer]

This aged well.

I'll eat my crow and apologize for what I said. I'm shocked Miles ran a 4.42 SHOCKED, he was not that fast this fall and everyone watching the games no's that as well. So happy for Miles and sorry I acted like an asshole

 

[Irish YJ]

This aged well.

in all fairness, his 40 time is a shocker to most.
playing at around 230 last year, and nobody would have accused him of being a burner.
i doubt there were many folks who would have pegged him as faster than Dex, or really faster than 4.6.

i'm stoked for him though. this should definitely help his status. i'm just scratching my head as to why our S&C didn't keep him at 220.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For reference, according to <a href="https://t.co/CYLmlPZjvr">https://t.co/CYLmlPZjvr</a>, Miles' 11'8" broad jump is the best by a WR at the combine dating back to 2006. His 43.5" vertical is tied for 2nd-best in that 14-year span <a href="https://t.co/7Xo0LuyiaX">https://t.co/7Xo0LuyiaX</a></p>— Not a Fan of Sports (@Psully226) <a href="https://twitter.com/Psully226/status/1101896265728753665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wow!

 

[arrowryan]

I am also shocked that he ran a 4.42. Anything in the 4.5s would've been successful for him IMO. I don't know if that'll jump him up into 2-3 round range, but who knows.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I am also shocked that he ran a 4.42. Anything in the 4.5s would've been successful for him IMO. I don't know if that'll jump him up into 2-3 round range, but who knows.

I am also shocked. But now that I think on it, it’s pretty hard to remember Boykin getting a route to show it off. I went and looked back at that go ahead touchdown in the Pitt game and after he gets past he’s adjusting to the ball rather than going 100%.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

He just worked his way into the 2nd round. Book it.

 

[fightingirish26]

I am also shocked. But now that I think on it, it’s pretty hard to remember Boykin getting a route to show it off. I went and looked back at that go ahead touchdown in the Pitt game and after he gets past he’s adjusting to the ball rather than going 100%.

Come on man, if he was actually this fast we would have seen flashes of it. It didn't just get hidden over the course of an entire season because of his routes. It's great that he ran a 4.42, but that speed is not translated to football speed unless he was seriously holding something back from us...

 

[rtrn2glory]

Wow absolutely awesome. He solidified a day two selection easy and who knows if someone falls in love with him maybe later first. He's been super productive over the past few years so these aren't just some dude going combine crazy

 

[T-Boone]

who ever it was he did his sprint training with should be on the staff.
Going to enjoy watching him on Monday mornings.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Come on man, if he was actually this fast we would have seen flashes of it. It didn't just get hidden over the course of an entire season because of his routes. It's great that he ran a 4.42, but that speed is not translated to football speed unless he was seriously holding something back from us...

I am sure the weight drop helped.

But we didn’t see much of this last year.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'15 IL WR Miles Boykin (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

Come on man, if he was actually this fast we would have seen flashes of it. It didn't just get hidden over the course of an entire season because of his routes. It's great that he ran a 4.42, but that speed is not translated to football speed unless he was seriously holding something back from us...

IDK. I think you really have to look at the QB position. I recall many of times on deep balls where the ball was severally under thrown, or he had his man beat by 5 yards but had to slow down for the ball which made the separation look closer than actually was or the ball was placed 5 yards to the left or right of where it should have been. Does he play 4.42 when on the field? Probably not, but he is a lot faster than everyone gives him credit for. I mean he jumped 43.5” which would match up with a good forty time. Give the kid some credit for being way more athletic then most people thought.

I know we all wish he would have played at 220 lbs during the season. But, it has to be difficult to keep that weight when you have a full intense class course load like ND students have. And it’s college so late nights studying I’m sure he was not eating the healthiest. He had two months where the only thing he was doing was to prepare his body for the combine. in the NFL he doesn’t have to focus of a rigorous course load so he should be able to keep his body in tip top shape.


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[Legacy]

Teams that with WR in their top 3 needs for WR in late 2nd Round to first half of 3rd round.
2 49 Cleveland Browns
2 51 Tennessee Titans
2 56 New England Patriots
2 58 Dallas Cowboys
2 59 Indianapolis Colts
3 65 Arizona Cardinals
3 66 Oakland Raiders
3 67 San Francisco 49ers
3 71 Denver Broncos
3 73 New England Patriots
3 74 Buffalo Bills
3 76 Washington Redskins
3 80 Cleveland Browns
3 82 Tennessee Titans

Most teams will have had two picks prior. Oakland will have had four. NE will have had three.

I would think Buffalo, Oakland, and Washington would already have taken WRs in their first two picks and that Dallas and Indy may have taken one with their first pick. Five or six WRs would be off the board. That would leave Cleveland (49), Tenn (51 or 82), NE (56 or 73), Arizona (65), SF (67), and Denver (71).

Where do you think Boykin could be picked? Would he last until the late third? Which team would be the best fit?

 

[Luckylucci]

Wow absolutely awesome. He solidified a day two selection easy and who knows if someone falls in love with him maybe later first. He's been super productive over the past few years so these aren't just some dude going combine crazy

Saying super productive over the last few years is a stretch. He’s had one productive season and not even this year would be super productive relative to other ND wr’s on recent past.

 

[IrishLax]

Absurd that he ran .15 faster than Dexter Williams. I am in total disbelief. Boykin just made some serious $$$$

 

[NDVirginia19]

I could see Indy taking him, they could use a good outside redzone target to complement Hilton's speed

 

[Old Man Mike]

??? These numbers don't even seem real??? How could he have been even potentially that fast and explosive and the Staff not noticed it? Regardless of what anyone thinks about Book, such speed and power should have translated into a bunch of GO routes scattered across the season.

I'm obviously missing something here.

 

[BobbyMac]

Couple of thoughts:

I thought he'd run a 4.5 - Sub 4.6. He made some extra money with those runs.

He has been expertly trained for this combine. Perfect form at the starting line of the 40 and good form in his lean and transition. Perfect form in a standing vertical test with the use of his left arm and right leg.

Some guys play faster than they test, some play slower. Is Pat Connaughton on ESPN's Top 10 every night? Did he win the dunk contest? Question is... is it Boykin's fault how he was used or is this how he plays?

I personally think it's a bit of a black eye regardless that ND didn't put these raw measurables to better use down the field.

Also, here's some shade for the paid sites: Are you telling me in 3 years you never saw (or heard) that Miles was a step faster than ESB in sprints? I've never heard that once.

Donte Jackson and John Battle feel a lot better about themselves today

Somewhere in this thread or elsewhere I remember talking about his HS basketball film and thinking this kid could be special. You could just see it in how he moved.

Some other thoughts:

Noah Fant would have been a great offer at DE or TE.

Irv Smith Jr... How did his recruitment actually go down like it did? WTF

 

[Legacy]

His route running, contested catch ability, YAC, separation speed, and leaping ability are demonstrated in his reception against LSU. He is a mismatch, provides a big target in the red zone, and has demonstrated blocking ability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXM4nJK_4Y

 

[arrowryan]

We can't Monday morning quarterback who should've been offered based off of combine results or even how they performed in college. Brian Kelly isn't the only one that missed out on Fant; Fant's offer list was honestly piss poor.

The reason I was surprised Boykin ran that fast of a 40 was because he didn't seem that fast on the field. But combine monsters are no guarantee to be a success in the NFL. Remember Obi Melifonwu, the guy from UCONN who absolutely tore up the combine a few years back? Yeah, I haven't heard his name since he got drafted in the first round.

 

[Irish YJ]

I am sure the weight drop helped.

But we didn’t see much of this last year.

if you watch that play, he didn't have separation till the very end after deep handfighting and defender thrown to the ground.

Saying super productive over the last few years is a stretch. He’s had one productive season and not even this year would be super productive relative to other ND wr’s on recent past.

yup. nowhere near.

His route running, contested catch ability, YAC, separation speed, and leaping ability are demonstrated in his reception against LSU. He is a mismatch, provides a big target in the red zone, and has demonstrated blocking ability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXM4nJK_4Y

agree on everything by the separation part. if you look at the LSU vid you linked, there wasn't separation. love the play, and miles was simply awesome, but it was a weird fluke how it all panned out.

 

[T-Boone]

We can't Monday morning quarterback who should've been offered based off of combine results or even how they performed in college. Brian Kelly isn't the only one that missed out on Fant; Fant's offer list was honestly piss poor.

The reason I was surprised Boykin ran that fast of a 40 was because he didn't seem that fast on the field. But combine monsters are no guarantee to be a success in the NFL. Remember Obi Melifonwu, the guy from UCONN who absolutely tore up the combine a few years back? Yeah, I haven't heard his name since he got drafted in the first round.

True but speed was the only missing piece for Boykin. We know he has great hands, height etc. The other thing this leap in measurable shows is his trainability and application/attitude. It could blow the NFL recruiters minds.

 

[Irish YJ]

of the big body WRs, only DK Metcalf ran faster.
and DK is a freak, and still an inch shorter.

 

[Irish YJ]

True but speed was the only missing piece for Boykin. We know he has great hands, height etc. The other thing this leap in measurable shows is his trainability and application/attitude. It could blow the NFL recruiters minds.

i would love to see someone ask BK and Balis "was he that fast and we didn't use him correctly, or was he slower and it took another trainer to realize his potential".

 

[T-Boone]

i would love to see someone ask BK and Balis "was he that fast and we didn't use him correctly, or was he slower and it took another trainer to realize his potential".

It would be an interesting question.
Also, why wouldnt we send Kevin Austin and Chase Claypool to see this same trainer prior to September.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i would love to see someone ask BK and Balis "was he that fast and we didn't use him correctly, or was he slower and it took another trainer to realize his potential".

I do remember Kelly at some point this season saying Boykin has long speed, but also short area quickness. So Kelly definitely knew. Again I think it was the offense structure and QB issues for the reason we didn’t see many long balls for Boykins.


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[Graybeard52]

I saw an assessment of his strengths and weaknesses. Among the latter was this:

Hasn't learned to counter press jabs with his hands
Allows press corners to grind on him
Stride length limits burst out of the top of his route

That could explain him being slow to get going. Not uncommon among many taller, longer legged receivers as well.

 

[Irish YJ]

I do remember Kelly at some point this season saying Boykin has long speed, but also short area quickness. So Kelly definitely knew. Again I think it was the offense structure and QB issues for the reason we didn’t see many long balls for Boykins.

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IDK. I watched Mile's highlights earlier. Even on long routes, he gets little to no separation. Not saying he never had separation, but it was not consistent. Not saying Book couldn't have been better either, but Miles just didn't "look" fast or get separation one would expect from a 4.42 guy. We've seen ND WRs blow the top off of D's and have a yard+ separation downfield on a consistent basis. Miles was not that kind of guy.

 

[Irish YJ]

his ranking

1st in Vertical (43.5)
2nd in Broad (140)
last in Bench press (12)
9th in 40 (4.42) - no one 6-4 or taller ran faster

no cone or shuttle reported yet

 

[Domina Nostra]

his ranking

1st in Vertical (43.5)
2nd in Broad (140)
last in Bench press (12)
9th in 40 (4.42) - no one 6-4 or taller ran faster

no cone or shuttle reported yet

Lol!!! Wow! I guess that explains how he got away from those LSU kids!

LONG STRIDER!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Testing in a vacuum doesn't mean much. All of these tests are coachable and manipulated. The broad jump is the big one for me. That shows explosive power that there's no real way to cheat. He prepared very well for a job interview and I'm thrilled for him, but I wouldn't be so hard on coaches that have to prepare him for defenses and reaction to what's going on. The combine prep guys get paid a lot of money for a reason. I'm actually surprised at the lack of upper body strength in the bench. Could be a reason he had trouble getting off press. Either way, congrats on a great Combine to the kid.