'14 TX LB Kolin Hill (Texas Tech Transfer)

[IrishFrog]

IMO, this is the kind of kid that proves recruiting ratings are sorta bogus. Completely unrated by three services, a 2 by the other. There is no way that physically he isn't as gifted as many of the high 3 players ND has signed in past classes.

If he had signed with Colorado or Boise he would probably not get any fanfare or bump. Now that he has an ND offer, I bet you all the other services start rating him and his grade magically improves to the upper limit of his physical abilities.

This kids name has been on a lot radars throughout Texas. Originally he said he was a package deal with his brother which I think pushed a lot of teams away..I think he has let off that a bit. K state is close to offering and Oklahoma State has been in touch from what I've heard. Seems like we may be arriving at the table at the perfect time.

 

[tko]

This kids name has been on a lot radars throughout Texas. Originally he said he was a package deal with his brother which I think pushed a lot of teams away..I think he has let off that a bit. K state is close to offering and Oklahoma State has been in touch from what I've heard. Seems like we may be arriving at the table at the perfect time.

Place at the table, Lattimer.

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[Me2SouthBend]

When have I said that I "don't like" Kolin? I have done no such thing. Shoot, I still haven't even watched his tape.

That isn't my point at all. My point was that I don't like the strategy of trying to fill "absolutely need" with 3 star depth while we are asleep at the wheel with every major recruit at the position. I mean for real, the only LB recruit we are even in on is Niles Morgan and that is a HUGE longshot. Meanwhile, this is a huge need for our team. Our current depth at the position is 3 star project type guys.

Maybe instead of waiting until the last bye to shoot out a billion 3 star offers, they should have offered more elite guys from the beginning. Then, if you aren't getting a lot of love, you can fill in with depth "project" guys. But this class, which seems to be the norm with BK, they are simply not offering anyone early and scrambling at the end. It's a bad strategy that leads to missing on good project guys like Hubbard, and having late defections (ala Greenberry, Darby, Vanderdoes, etc).

You don't just "put the full court press" on elite guys at the end and expect great results.

I'm curious why you think the first part of the last paragraph (bolded) would lead to the late defections? I can't come up w a connection. And how is it bad to shoot out a lot of late 3 star offers but good to have a 3 star (Hubbard) in your pocket?

 

[BeauBenken]

Last I knew Booker was our special teams coach... Has that changed?

I just remember that last time I saw a live practice, I believe it was Diaco who was off with the kickers/punters. Honestly, I'd just like us to have a legit special teams coach.

 

[Irish Fam]

I just remember that last time I saw a live practice, I believe it was Diaco who was off with the kickers/punters. Honestly, I'd just like us to have a legit special teams coach.

What a crazy concept. A coach that is dedicated to 1/3 of the game?

Where do you come up with these things?

 

[BeauBenken]

What a crazy concept. A coach that is dedicated to 1/3 of the game?

Where do you come up with these things?

I'm an innovator.

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[EuropeanDomer]

We have a top 25 inside linebacker committed as well.

Greer Martini

Edit: Cal, ASU, Miami and South Carolina do not have any top 25 ILB at the moment, not sure where you looked but I am basing off of the 247 composite.

Look at Myles Jack: Myles Jack at Bellevue

And now he is even better than Jaylon Smith

 

[Irishbounty28]

Look at Myles Jack: Myles Jack at Bellevue

And now he is even better than Jaylon Smith

I don't know if I would say he is better than Jaylon Smith. I think they are having pretty similar seasons, except for the fact they are using Myles Jack at running back as well. It also helps that Jack is playing with what many consider a top 5 pick in Anthony Barr.

 

[Bluto]

Look at Myles Jack: Myles Jack at Bellevue

And now he is even better than Jaylon Smith

Just watched him play. He's not "better than Jaylon" unless you're talking about running back.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Diaco makes a fine linebacker coach.

What he shouldn't be doing is splitting his time as a special teams coach.

say what you want, but outside of a few more missed FG's our special teams look to be improving in the punt game, but now we need to figure something out on Kickoff coverage.

 

[Luckylucci]

Per Loy, the ND offer was the biggest honor ever. Had a lot of positive things to say about ND. Will take official to Colorado, BSU, and ND. Colorado (Dec.7th) and Boise (Dec.14th) are already scheduled and ND's should be on the books before the weekend is over. Will be looking at BYU or after the other two officials. No mention of what will go into his decision or whether his brother will play a role. Loy submitted his tape to the national guys at 247 and wouldn't be surprised to see him get quite a bump. Finished the season with over 100 tackles and had 15 sacks.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Damn 15 sacks


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[stlnd01]

Damn 15 sacks


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Does our whole team have 15 sacks?

As for the offer, I think we'd all prefer to land all the five stars, but at this point I'd rather have high-upside two/three stars than be "saving" slots for next year. Especially at positions with depth issues.

 

[Irish#1]

Any idea on how good his brother is? Does he have any offers?

 

[woolybug25]

Per Loy, the ND offer was the biggest honor ever. Had a lot of positive things to say about ND. Will take official to Colorado, BSU, and ND. Colorado (Dec.7th) and Boise (Dec.14th) are already scheduled and ND's should be on the books before the weekend is over. Will be looking at BYU or after the other two officials. No mention of what will go into his decision or whether his brother will play a role. Loy submitted his tape to the national guys at 247 and wouldn't be surprised to see him get quite a bump. Finished the season with over 100 tackles and had 15 sacks.

This isn't meant to be a dig at Hill whatsoever, but how does a kid from TX with 100 tackles and 15 sacks in 4A football get overlooked by national recruitniks? How is that possible? Am I missing something here?

 

[IrishLax]

This isn't meant to be a dig at Hill whatsoever, but how does a kid from TX with 100 tackles and 15 sacks in 4A football get overlooked by national recruitniks? How is that possible? Am I missing something here?

It's still a flawed system. You can only be evaluated if you're submitting your film for evaluation and people bother to evaluate it. If your coach isn't getting you exposure or you're not going to combines or you're not camping at schools and getting offers then you're not going to get evaluated.

This is the bogus part about ratings, because every single kid committed or targeted by USC, Texas, ND, Bama, etc. is going to (usually) get the benefit of the doubt on their film. Conversely, someone looking at Colorado/Boise is going to have people not giving them a second look.

This is why MSU consistently wins with 3 players from unheralded high schools whereas Michigan can get all the 4 players they want from Cass Tech and they aren't as good.

 

[woolybug25]

It's still a flawed system. You can only be evaluated if you're submitting your film for evaluation and people bother to evaluate it. If your coach isn't getting you exposure or you're not going to combines or you're not camping at schools and getting offers then you're not going to get evaluated.

This is the bogus part about ratings, because every single kid committed or targeted by USC, Texas, ND, Bama, etc. is going to (usually) get the benefit of the doubt on their film. Conversely, someone looking at Colorado/Boise is going to have people not giving them a second look.

This is why MSU consistently wins with 3 players from unheralded high schools whereas Michigan can get all the 4 players they want from Cass Tech and they aren't as good.

That's crazy. Totally with ya, but here's what killing me with this. Those stats, even in 4A, are going to get him all district. He'll be in the all state consideration. How do the recruiting agencies not look at who is winning the awards in states like Texas? I mean, kids are constantly coming from Texas and filling the talent pool of college football. So why would they not be evaluating the clear candidates? It just seems foolish to me. If they aren't evaluating the kids that are statistical leaders, then what do they use as metrics of whether a kid should be looked at or not?

If we can find film on him then why cant they? Also... this kid plays 4A texas football. How do they not see him when evaluating other recruits that he plays against?

Just makes me have very little faith in recruiting agencies period. Are these guys scouts are just social networkers that chase hot tips? If I did the job, which I never would, I would start my evaluations by evaluating the top statistical guys in all of the top football states (TX, CA, FL, LA, etc). From there, I would look at mailed tapes, talk to coaches, etc. These guys are rocket scientist. They aren't doing brain surgery. Their job can't possibly that difficult. What are they doing with their time if all district type kids from Texas haven't even had their tape looked at? Sheesh...

oh... As you can probably tell, I finally got around to watching his tape.

 

[woolybug25]

Makes me believe that all these guys are just social network weirdos that look at tape that is sent to them, kids ranked by other agencies and kids that do well at camps.

If that is the case. These guys aren't professional. Do they not get paid enough? Doesn't seem that way considering the fact that they are flown to all of these camps and 7on7's. To me... it just seems like they are lazy bastards that are more concerned about "breaking recruiting news" and messing up announcements than being accurate with evaluations.

 

[stlnd01]

Makes me believe that all these guys are just social network weirdos that look at tape that is sent to them, kids ranked by other agencies and kids that do well at camps.

If that is the case. These guys aren't professional. Do they not get paid enough? Doesn't seem that way considering the fact that they are flown to all of these camps and 7on7's. To me... it just seems like they are lazy bastards that are more concerned about "breaking recruiting news" and messing up announcements than being accurate with evaluations.

I would think that most of the recruiting news services put the bulk of their financial resources into reporting. That's what generates the buzz and the scoops, and in turn generate the subscriptions that pay the bills. It just makes sense. There's a lot more money in covering every major program like a blanket than in deciding whether some kid from Texas is worth three or four stars.
And quality talent analysis is, frankly, a much rarer skill than reporting. These guys watch football, but mostly not with the informed eye of a longtime coach or even a former college player. Jason Sapps are pretty unusual.

 

[goldandblue]

91,000 high schools in the U.S. give or take. Some kids are going to be missed...

 

[TheTurningPoint]

This isn't meant to be a dig at Hill whatsoever, but how does a kid from TX with 100 tackles and 15 sacks in 4A football get overlooked by national recruitniks? How is that possible? Am I missing something here?

Last year his team went 0-10. Combine that with a new coach and making the playoffs this year = the exposure. I def get where your coming from with 4A and if your talent they will find you but it also has a lot to do with coaches. My junior year in HS we had a kid worthy of a big time D1 offer but our coach didnt do the whole recruiting thing. Senior year we had a coaching change and the coach was all about recruiting and got him to go to a few of the late summer camps. in the end it got him Rutgers/Temple/Texas Tech offers, before he chose to go to go to Valdosta St. I'd say something is along those lines is what happened, and combine that with a huge senior year, you get the late offers.

Also, this kid didnt go to any camps and probably not a member of any Texas recruiting services is my guess. Those services can take you from a no one to offers quicker than anything.

 

[TexasNDFan]

This isn't meant to be a dig at Hill whatsoever, but how does a kid from TX with 100 tackles and 15 sacks in 4A football get overlooked by national recruitniks? How is that possible? Am I missing something here?

It also depends on the school you play for, if he had these stats at Cibolo Steele, which is literally down the road, he'd probably have better rankings.

 

[woolybug25]

91,000 high schools in the U.S. give or take. Some kids are going to be missed...

How many are all district - all state type kids from the top divisions from the best states?

I get what the rest of you are saying. I'm still sticking with the fact that these guys are lazy as hell if all they do is wait for camp results. Taking a look at the tape from the statistical leaders in states like Texas seem like a pretty easy task. A no brainier really.

 

[NDohio]

That's crazy. Totally with ya, but here's what killing me with this. Those stats, even in 4A, are going to get him all district. He'll be in the all state consideration. How do the recruiting agencies not look at who is winning the awards in states like Texas? I mean, kids are constantly coming from Texas and filling the talent pool of college football. So why would they not be evaluating the clear candidates? It just seems foolish to me. If they aren't evaluating the kids that are statistical leaders, then what do they use as metrics of whether a kid should be looked at or not?

If we can find film on him then why cant they? Also... this kid plays 4A texas football. How do they not see him when evaluating other recruits that he plays against?

Just makes me have very little faith in recruiting agencies period. Are these guys scouts are just social networkers that chase hot tips? If I did the job, which I never would, I would start my evaluations by evaluating the top statistical guys in all of the top football states (TX, CA, FL, LA, etc). From there, I would look at mailed tapes, talk to coaches, etc. These guys are rocket scientist. They aren't doing brain surgery. Their job can't possibly that difficult. What are they doing with their time if all district type kids from Texas haven't even had their tape looked at? Sheesh...

oh... As you can probably tell, I finally got around to watching his tape.

And .......

 

[dublinirish]

I have to say though its kind of a two way street these days, the players have to reach out to the services. Coby Fleener wrote a great article a few years ago about his high school recruitment where he wrote hundreds of letters and emails to coaches around the country begging them to watch his tape, invite him to camps and in the end offer him scholarships. Kids gotta proactive sometimes

Getting a Scholarship, Playing the Games Before the Games | The End of the Line

 

[NDinL.A.]

Also, this kid didnt go to any camps and probably not a member of any Texas recruiting services is my guess. Those services can take you from a no one to offers quicker than anything.

That's the thing right there - camps. If you don't go to camps, you're most likely not going to get that recognition. Not everyone is a Tom Lemming, who watches scores and scores of tapes. Most of these services are all about camps and 7 on 7's, sadly. If you play well in shorts and a T-shirt, to a lot of them it means more than if you look good in real game situations.

Sooooo....if your coach isn't sending out film and your team blows and you don't go to camps, you're going to be missed.

 

[Luckylucci]

Was reading this freebie on ISD and they say that we are recruiting Kolin at OLB.

Recruiting Week in Review

 

[Emcee77]

Was reading this freebie on ISD and they say that we are recruiting Kolin at OLB.

Recruiting Week in Review

Not sure whether that's quite accurate, but it could be. At first glance he doesn't seem to fit profile for an OLB, but with those long arms he plays a lot longer than his height, kind of like Sheldon Day.

 

[Irish#1]

That's the thing right there - camps. If you don't go to camps, you're most likely not going to get that recognition. Not everyone is a Tom Lemming, who watches scores and scores of tapes. Most of these services are all about camps and 7 on 7's, sadly. If you play well in shorts and a T-shirt, to a lot of them it means more than if you look good in real game situations.

Sooooo....if your coach isn't sending out film and your team blows and you don't go to camps, you're going to be missed.

They just can't find everybody.

How many times does a guy get drafted or invited to an NFL camp because the coaches noticed him on film while watching the film to critique the real draft pick? Happens frequently.

 

[IRISHMAN]

Not sure whether that's quite accurate, but it could be. At first glance he doesn't seem to fit profile for an OLB, but with those long arms he plays a lot longer than his height, kind of like Sheldon Day.

I also doubt that prince shembo would have meet NDs profile at OLB as well, don't care about profile I just want this kid on the team. I could see him starting by his sophomore year.