'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

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Temple.

Though Will Fuller balled out even more.

Also USC.

Comeback win though not at the last few minutes.

He was no Aaron Rodgers but he did make timely plays on his career (I’m aware these were both 2015).
 
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Not Kizer's fault we had a terrible S&C team that made it so he and the talent around him couldn't compete in the 4th quarter...

In all honesty though, I think the 4th quarter comeback is a good point, but at the same time I would say it would be dumb to say that is the end-all-be-all of the discussion that decides a competent NFL QB. Sure, he may not be the next Joe Montana, but he has every opportunity to be a good NFL QB.
 
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STLDomer said:
Temple.

Though Will Fuller balled out even more.

Also USC.

Comeback win though not at the last few minutes.

He was no Aaron Rodgers but he did make timely plays on his career (I’m aware these were both 2015).
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He did. We also had the ball late with the chance to win about five times last season, and came up short. It's a valid criticism of Kizer, IMO. But, like DONTH said, it's not the end-all and be-all.
 
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He did. We also had the ball late with the chance to win about five times last season, and came up short. It's a valid criticism of Kizer, IMO. But, like DONTH said, it's not the end-all and be-all.
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He had some moments that were a little choke-ish. For sure...I hang those on growing into executing when there are expectations and pressure. By that I mean he had no real expectations for much of '15. In '16, he had a ton of expectations and a ton of situations that dialed up the pressure...id say he did ok, but I agree, he ain't talking about John candy in the huddle either...

He is a conscientious kid, he clearly wants to do the work to win, but the thing you point to is something he might have worked through w another year in college...i am not a believer that the ability to execute with high expectations and under intense pressure is a personality trait alone...certainly helps...but reliance upon preparation, and doing preparation that makes mechanics rock solid is a huge start...his mechanics and discipline were suspect when the heat was on...another year in college....maybe that gets corrected.
 
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phgreek said:
He had some moments that were a little choke-ish. For sure...I hang those on growing into executing when there are expectations and pressure. By that I mean he had no real expectations for much of '15. In '16, he had a ton of expectations and a ton of situations that dialed up the pressure...id say he did ok, but I agree, he ain't talking about John candy in the huddle either...

He is a conscientious kid, he clearly wants to do the work to win, but the thing you point to is something he might have worked through w another year in college...i am not a believer that the ability to execute with high expectations and under intense pressure is a personality trait alone...certainly helps...but reliance upon preparation, and doing preparation that makes mechanics rock solid is a huge start...his mechanics and discipline were suspect when the heat was on...another year in college....maybe that gets corrected.
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Yep.
I tend to agree DK would have benefitted from another year in college. I also think we'd be undefeated and favored in all remaining games were he our quarterback right now. Alas...
 
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STLDomer said:
Temple.

Though Will Fuller balled out even more.

Also USC.

Comeback win though not at the last few minutes.

He was no Aaron Rodgers but he did make timely plays on his career (I’m aware these were both 2015).
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I would include Stanford, ironically vs Kevin Hogan.

Not his fault the D couldn't hold for 30 seconds of game clock
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hue Jackson names DeShone Kizer starting QB<br><br> » <a href="https://t.co/y3yMbt1jVV">https://t.co/y3yMbt1jVV</a> <a href="https://t.co/FZXjQxTS5z">pic.twitter.com/FZXjQxTS5z</a></p>— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/920663416267821056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hue Jackson names DeShone Kizer starting QB<br><br> �� » <a href="https://t.co/y3yMbt1jVV">https://t.co/y3yMbt1jVV</a> <a href="https://t.co/FZXjQxTS5z">pic.twitter.com/FZXjQxTS5z</a></p>— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/920663416267821056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Jackson looks like he has no idea what he's doing. Seems like he took a lot of flack by benching Kizer and then Hogan sucks and he panics and goes back to Kizer to avoid any further flack and rationalizes the change by saying it was done so Kizer could learn from the sidelines.

Brady Quinn looking more and more right haha
 
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Jackson looks like he has no idea what he's doing. Seems like he took a lot of flack by benching Kizer and then Hogan sucks and he panics and goes back to Kizer to avoid any further flack and rationalizes the change by saying it was done so Kizer could learn from the sidelines.

Brady Quinn looking more and more right haha
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Whole team is a dumpster fire at this point. Factory of Sadness since '99.
 
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Really hope he gets the nod for the rest of the season. When Peyton got to Indy his first season was tough as hell. Bad year in the win and loss column but the Colts let him play and take all snaps and you see what happened. I by no means am using a comparison between the two, but I think Kiser could learn a lot and become a great quarterback if given some support. Doubt that will happen in Cleveland, but it would be nice if Kiser had a good career from taking his knocks in his rookie season like so many others have. Sometimes you just have to learn by doing if given the chance. I'm so grateful that the Colts did that for Manning. We were able to watch a good one grow right before our eyes. Just hate that our great Notre Dame quarterbacks of last decade or so haven't had that opportunity.
 
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NewBrunswickIrish said:
Jackson looks like he has no idea what he's doing. Seems like he took a lot of flack by benching Kizer and then Hogan sucks and he panics and goes back to Kizer to avoid any further flack and rationalizes the change by saying it was done so Kizer could learn from the sidelines.

Brady Quinn looking more and more right haha
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Hogan was also hurt during the game. Banged up ribs. Not that it makes Hue look much better, but it kinda explains part of the reason he switched back so fast.

I really wish Hue would take a page out of BK's 2017 game plan and RTDB.

RUN THE DAMN BALL

No rookie should be expected to throw 47 times a game. Especially a rookie that everyone agreed wasn't ready to step right in and even play.
 
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Really hope he gets the nod for the rest of the season. When Peyton got to Indy his first season was tough as hell. Bad year in the win and loss column but the Colts let him play and take all snaps and you see what happened. I by no means am using a comparison between the two, but I think Kiser could learn a lot and become a great quarterback if given some support. Doubt that will happen in Cleveland, but it would be nice if Kiser had a good career from taking his knocks in his rookie season like so many others have. Sometimes you just have to learn by doing if given the chance. I'm so grateful that the Colts did that for Manning. We were able to watch a good one grow right before our eyes. Just hate that our great Notre Dame quarterbacks of last decade or so haven't had that opportunity.
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Hogan was also hurt during the game. Banged up ribs. Not that it makes Hue look much better, but it kinda explains part of the reason he switched back so fast.

I really wish Hue would take a page out of BK's 2017 game plan and RTDB.

RUN THE DAMN BALL

No rookie should be expected to throw 47 times a game. Especially a rookie that everyone agreed wasn't ready to step right in and even play.
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Crowell has not been great, and Duke isn't built to carry the ball that many times
 
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ndcoltsfan2010 said:
Really hope he gets the nod for the rest of the season. When Peyton got to Indy his first season was tough as hell. Bad year in the win and loss column but the Colts let him play and take all snaps and you see what happened. I by no means am using a comparison between the two, but I think Kiser could learn a lot and become a great quarterback if given some support. Doubt that will happen in Cleveland, but it would be nice if Kiser had a good career from taking his knocks in his rookie season like so many others have. Sometimes you just have to learn by doing if given the chance. I'm so grateful that the Colts did that for Manning. We were able to watch a good one grow right before our eyes. Just hate that our great Notre Dame quarterbacks of last decade or so haven't had that opportunity.
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not sure who DK's Marvin Harrison is...because even when he was getting tagged, and screwing up...he had A weapon, and a solid staff and organization. I get what you are saying...hope it happens for DK, but I'd be happier if he got traded to the steelers...:).
 
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zelezo vlk said:
Crowell has not been great, and Duke isn't built to carry the ball that many times
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Crowell is averaging 3.4 yards per carry. Not fantastic but also good enough to at least try and pound the ball. Duke did at Miami. He's our best offensive weapon and somehow his usage is going down? Also we have Matthew Dayes who has been super impressive every time we've seen him but has gone missing for some reason.

At least grinding down some clock would give the defense more of a breather. Maybe keep them fresh later into the game and keep you in striking distance.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Crowell is averaging 3.4 yards per carry. Not fantastic but also good enough to at least try and pound the ball. Duke did at Miami. He's our best offensive weapon and somehow his usage is going down? Also we have Matthew Dayes who has been super impressive every time we've seen him but has gone missing for some reason.

At least grinding down some clock would give the defense more of a breather. Maybe keep them fresh later into the game and keep you in striking distance.
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3.4 is not good. I have not been able to watch many Browns games, but apparently Kizer has worked nearly exclusively out of the shotgun? That's a huge factor, as Crowell is more effective with the running start of a QB under center, or so I've been told. I'm just repeating what I've been told about Crowell and Johnson. I have no idea about this Dayes guy
 
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zelezo vlk said:
3.4 is not good. I have not been able to watch many Browns games, but apparently Kizer has worked nearly exclusively out of the shotgun? That's a huge factor, as Crowell is more effective with the running start of a QB under center, or so I've been told. I'm just repeating what I've been told about Crowell and Johnson. I have no idea about this Dayes guy
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What's 3.4 x 3?
 
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