'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[SoDakDomer]

The browns are so bad on offense. The kid had his own issues but got ZERO help.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Wentz looked good in his first year...Watson looks good in his first year...

 

[GowerND11]

Wentz looked good in his first year...Watson looks good in his first year...

Wentz was ok. A good rookie year, but he was ok. Helps to have two solid tight ends and a serviceable WR corps. Still had a 16/14 TD/INT line. Not very good.

Watson has DeAndre FREAKING Hopkins, Fuller, and a pretty good running back in Lamar Miller.

Honestly, why are you even on this site when all you do is hate on EVERYTHING and EVERYONE associated with ND Football?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Wentz looked good in his first year...Watson looks good in his first year...

How many of these guys play for the Browns?

 

[irishog77]

Wentz looked good in his first year...Watson looks good in his first year...

So did Vince Young and RG III

 

[NDgradstudent]

Wentz was ok. A good rookie year, but he was ok. Helps to have two solid tight ends and a serviceable WR corps. Still had a 16/14 TD/INT line. Not very good.

Watson has DeAndre FREAKING Hopkins, Fuller, and a pretty good running back in Lamar Miller.

Honestly, why are you even on this site when all you do is hate on EVERYTHING and EVERYONE associated with ND Football?

Wentz had a "servicable WR corps"? I would say "mediocre." I don't know how many Browns games you watch -I'm a Browns fan and I watch every game- but Kizer has looked lousy, especially last game. Hogan has looked better. Given the QB class next year, the Browns were going to draft a QB after this season unless Kizer absolutely dazzled. He has not.

How many of these guys play for the Browns?

Doesn't change the situation vis-a-vis Kizer and Hogan.

So did Vince Young and RG III

Wentz still looks good in his second year.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Wentz's first 4 games were good-great last season, but the last 12 were bad. To his credit, Wentz looks phenomenally better this year. NFL defenses begin to adjust after 4 games or so; I'm interested in how this affects Watson

 

[GowerND11]

Wentz had a "servicable WR corps"? I would say "mediocre." I don't know how many Browns games you watch -I'm a Browns fan and I watch every game- but Kizer has looked lousy, especially last game. Hogan has looked better. Given the QB class next year, the Browns were going to draft a QB after this season unless Kizer absolutely dazzled. He has not.



Doesn't change the situation vis-a-vis Kizer and Hogan.



Wentz still looks good in his second year.

Mediocre is serviceable...

But anyway, yeah he hasn't looked great. Point is, everyone knew he shouldn't be thrown in first game of the season, yet the Browns did it anyway. Hogan has looked better, but that doesn't change the fact that the Browns running game is nonexistent and the WRs are not even mediocre... they're bad.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Which rookie QB has ever succeeded with a roster as dreadful as the Brown's right now? Rookie QBs can succeed if they go to a team that isn't comically poor. And that's not a smug question, I genuinely can't think of any rookie QB who has succeed with a worse roster, but it's a genuine inquiry if anyone can name one. I'd be interested.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Mediocre is serviceable...

But anyway, yeah he hasn't looked great. Point is, everyone knew he shouldn't be thrown in first game of the season, yet the Browns did it anyway. Hogan has looked better, but that doesn't change the fact that the Browns running game is nonexistent and the WRs are not even mediocre... they're bad.

The WRs are bad, but they're the same for both guys. The stats so far this season:

Kizer: 81/159 (50.9%), 3 TD, 9 INT, 49.5 rating
Hogan: 26/38 (68.4%), 3 TD, 2 INT, 104.8 rating

 

[stlnd01]

What's done is done, and counterfactuals are a bitch. But...

If Deshone Kizer had stayed and is Notre Dame's QB right now, we are undefeated and likely to be favored in every game the rest of the way. He's a strong Heisman contender and likely first QB taken in 2018.

Instead he's probably enduring the worst-case scenario. Drafted by the Browns, played too soon, benched, and they're already scouting his replacement.

Of course if he'd stayed another year he could still wind up being drafted by the Browns...

 

[Rocket89]

There were some lively Kizer > Watson debates a while ago that should be revisited. Watson has been a baller ass baller forever.

 

[beryirish]

I personally wouldn't waste a 2018 pick on a QB if i were the Browns. You still have a good prospect in Kizer.

Either go out to FA for some WR and draft an OT to get ready to replace Joe Thomas or maybe an electric RB or keep building up a potentially elite defense and get S Derwin James to have both him and Peppers in the back or a crazy LB in Malik Jefferson.

I've seen Cleveland do this too many times. Change it up this time and actually stick with Kizer.

 

[SoDakDomer]

The WRs are bad, but they're the same for both guys. The stats so far this season:

Kizer: 81/159 (50.9%), 3 TD, 9 INT, 49.5 rating
Hogan: 26/38 (68.4%), 3 TD, 2 INT, 104.8 rating

We will see when a defense has an entire game plan in place for hogan's strengths and weaknesses.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

They have the worst group of receivers in the NFL. How is a rookie QB supposed to have success with this team?

This could be posted in the Bears thread with the same level of accuracy.

 

[STLDomer]

The WRs are bad, but they're the same for both guys. The stats so far this season:

Kizer: 81/159 (50.9%), 3 TD, 9 INT, 49.5 rating
Hogan: 26/38 (68.4%), 3 TD, 2 INT, 104.8 rating

The discussion isn’t is Hogan better than Kizer, which he very well may be given the point in each players career. The discussion is over EVERYONE knew Kizer wasn’t ready, they said he was and would stick with him, and now are ditiching him. For what? A couple more wins MAYBE with Hogan. It’s horrid management and a wonder why they’ve gone through 30 QBs in 15 years.

 

[NDohio]

Wentz looked good in his first year...Watson looks good in his first year...

I am so glad the mods let you back on the site so you could bring your negativity to all things related to ND football past, present, and future...

 

[irishog77]

Wentz had a "servicable WR corps"? I would say "mediocre." I don't know how many Browns games you watch -I'm a Browns fan and I watch every game- but Kizer has looked lousy, especially last game. Hogan has looked better. Given the QB class next year, the Browns were going to draft a QB after this season unless Kizer absolutely dazzled. He has not.



Doesn't change the situation vis-a-vis Kizer and Hogan.



Wentz still looks good in his second year.

Then save us the torture we have to endure in seeing your posts and criticize Kizer in his second year.

 

[NDRock]

Kizer's fate was sealed on draft night. The Browns are so bad. All I heard about in the pre-season was that Kizer needed time to develop and then they go and start him right away. Man, I was hoping he would go someplace like Pittsburgh and sit for a few years. Oh well. Invest your money Deshone.

 

[Fbolt]

a team needs to snag Kizer for a back up and let him sit for a few years. It's the same BS as the Bears playing Trubinsky.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

Making the change to Hogan has really helped the Browns

Hue Jackson deserves all the flack he is receiving, such a dumb move.

 

[GATTACA!]

Making the change to Hogan has really helped the Browns

Hue Jackson deserves all the flack he is receiving, such a dumb move.

Kevin Hogan is worst QB i've ever seen.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's just one of the worst franchises in sports. Hue Jackson is a joke of a head coach. Says one thing and does another. Not sure what will ever change it

Sorry browns fans, I started believe. They destroy talent

 

[snoopdog]

I had the fortune to play with a Hall of Fame QB. This QB’s success was almost all mental. Physically he is very good, but far from a freak. Every close game you felt that this guy was going to drive the team to victory. Obviously he didn’t do it every time, but his success rate was crazy high.

I say this because he was very different from Kizer. Last year with all those opportunities to lead the team to a win and come up zeros every time spoke volumes about him. I don’t care who was the coach or what play was called. A great QB last year would have made a world of difference.

 

[STLDomer]

Yeah Kizer really screwed us giving up 28 points per game on defense....

 

[phgreek]

...welp, smart kid...can just follow Brady Quinn, and do analysis and commentary I guess.

Sounds premature...right?

What I said after the draft seemed premature too...

Unless he gets out of there now, and gets a serious franchise behind him...his chances aren't good.

I'll say it again...IMHO, it starts with owners that can or will become competent in the operation of a football franchise...yup, I said owner, meant owner.

As such, until that changes, people who get picked to go there are compelled to their own trail of tears...could really care less what coach/GM/QB you plug in there...there are so, so few that can transcend the culture that comes from incompetent ownership....

 

[snoopdog]

Yeah Kizer really screwed us giving up 28 points per game on defense....

It could have been 48 points against. It was the amount of opportunities he had with the game in hands in the last possession.

Other then his very first game against Virginia, he just had the annoying habit of coming up short.

But most QB’s aren’t of hall of famers, but to fall short so often was a disappointment to me.

 

[Luckylucci]

It could have been 48 points against. It was the amount of opportunities he had with the game in hands in the last possession.

Other then his very first game against Virginia, he just had the annoying habit of coming up short.

But most QB’s aren’t of hall of famers, but to fall short so often was a disappointment to me.

He came up short against UVA? He won that game, literally on the last play with Will Fuller

 

[BGIF]

It could have been 48 points against. It was the amount of opportunities he had with the game in hands in the last possession.

Other then his very first game against Virginia, he just had the annoying habit of coming up short.

But most QB’s aren’t of hall of famers, but to fall short so often was a disappointment to me.

He came up short against UVA? He won that game, literally on the last play with Will Fuller

He didn't say he came up short against UVA, to the contrary he said "Other then ... UVA, ... habit of coming up short."

 

[snoopdog]

He came up short against UVA? He won that game, literally on the last play with Will Fuller

Yes. That’s why I wrote “ other than the Virginia game”