'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[IrishLion]

I'm seeing comparisons to Winston, Big Ben, Cam. Why do good QBs have to all be d-bags? You can throw Tom Brady into that d-bag list.

Aaron Rodgers? Can we get an Aaron Rodgers?

The dude is goofy, sometimes seems a bit off, but definitely not in the d-bag category IMO.

Andrew Luck? He's a good dude. Still uses a flip-phone though. We could get one that compares to him maybe.

 

[NDVirginia19]

That that back....Big Ben is a saint.......now that he settled down and got married.

I second that (ignore the side logo) but he's definitely matured fantastically since his rookie season

 

[ulukinatme]

Aaron Rodgers? Can we get an Aaron Rodgers?

The dude is goofy, sometimes seems a bit off, but definitely not in the d-bag category IMO.

Andrew Luck? He's a good dude. Still uses a flip-phone though. We could get one that compares to him maybe.

I'm fine with that. Why can't we have comparisons to QBs like this? We're comparing Kizer to all the d-bags

 

[Crazy Balki]

That's not true, he's been consistently a top producing QB since he was a rookie.

Cam has yet to have back-to-back good seasons. 2015 was an MVP, but in 2014, Cam had statistically his worst season of his career. He had a good rookie season, but digressed his sophomore campaign in terms of yardage, TD's and completion pct.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Cam has yet to have back-to-back good seasons. 2015 was an MVP, but in 2014, Cam had statistically his worst season of his career. He had a good rookie season, but digressed his sophomore campaign in terms of yardage, TD's and completion pct.

The dropoff his 2nd year had a lot to do with the fact that Panthers gutted their WR corp. Probably had the worst WR's in the NFL that year.

 

[IrishBroker]

Cam has yet to have back-to-back good seasons. 2015 was an MVP, but in 2014, Cam had statistically his worst season of his career. He had a good rookie season, but digressed his sophomore campaign in terms of yardage, TD's and completion pct.

Exactly. He'll go from great season, to turnover machine.

 

[IrishBroker]

The dropoff his 2nd year had a lot to do with the fact that Panthers gutted their WR corp. Probably had the worst WR's in the NFL that year.

Last year they weren't very good either. I mean, Ted Ginn was your #1? And he had Olsen back then as well.

That wasn't the issue..it was his turnovers. Had around 20 turnovers.

 

[IrishLax]

Cam has yet to have back-to-back good seasons. 2015 was an MVP, but in 2014, Cam had statistically his worst season of his career. He had a good rookie season, but digressed his sophomore campaign in terms of yardage, TD's and completion pct.

Let me spell it out for you.

2011-Rookie of the year.
2012-2nd in the NFL in yards per attempt, and was generally dominant from an efficiency standpoint. Had some production stolen by the signing of Mike Tolbert. His less yardage passing is because he threw less attempts than when he was a rookie... he had a higher rating, higher QBR, better efficiency, significantly less interceptions than when he won rookie of the year. And he was named the 46th best player in the NFL. In production, he finished 5th behind Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Manning. You have to be a total buffoon to call that not a "good" season.
2013-another Pro Bowl year. Do you need me to elaborate? You seem to be conceding this was a good season.
2014-HE WAS HURT. He had offseason surgery, then broke a rib in the pre-season causing him to miss a game and not be 100% for weeks, then he got into a car accident where he fractured two vertebrae in his spine and missed another game. Even with all of that, his production per game would've had him in the top 10 in the NFL if evaluating both rushing and passing contributions. And that was his "bad" year.
2015-MVP.

So he had one "bad" year out of five because he was injured. He was still a top 10 QB playing through pain and broken bones and led his team to the playoffs. Your point is completely invalid.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Aaron Rodgers? Can we get an Aaron Rodgers?



The dude is goofy, sometimes seems a bit off, but definitely not in the d-bag category IMO.



Andrew Luck? He's a good dude. Still uses a flip-phone though. We could get one that compares to him maybe.

Rodgers is DEFINITELY a d-bag

 

[NorthDakota]

Rodgers is DEFINITELY a d-bag

Yeah, the discount double check is pretty trashy imo.

 

[IrishBroker]

Let me spell it out for you.

2011-Rookie of the year.
2012-2nd in the NFL in yards per attempt, and was generally dominant from an efficiency standpoint. Had some production stolen by the signing of Mike Tolbert. His less yardage passing is because he threw less attempts than when he was a rookie... he had a higher rating, higher QBR, better efficiency, significantly less interceptions than when he won rookie of the year. And he was named the 46th best player in the NFL. In production, he finished 5th behind Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Manning. You have to be a total buffoon to call that not a "good" season.
2013-another Pro Bowl year. Do you need me to elaborate? You seem to be conceding this was a good season.
2014-HE WAS HURT. He had offseason surgery, then broke a rib in the pre-season causing him to miss a game and not be 100% for weeks, then he got into a car accident where he fractured two vertebrae in his spine and missed another game. Even with all of that, his production per game would've had him in the top 10 in the NFL if evaluating both rushing and passing contributions. And that was his "bad" year.
2015-MVP.

So he had one "bad" year out of five because he was injured. He was still a top 10 QB playing through pain and broken bones and led his team to the playoffs. Your point is completely invalid.

You are overselling his second season big time.

57% comp rating (one of the worst in the NFL that year)
19 TD's to 12 INT's
13th in passing yds
15th in rating


Nope. It wasn't a good year, sir.

 

[IrishLax]

You are overselling his second season big time.

57% comp rating (one of the worst in the NFL that year)
19 TD's to 12 INT's
13th in passing yds
15th in rating


Nope. It wasn't a good year, sir.

Please point out the fact I listed that was wrong. I'll wait.

It's as if some people can't grasp the concepts of run-first offenses, dual-threat QBs, and efficiency metrics. His completion percentage doesn't matter one iota relative to YPA... his QB rating doesn't matter relative to other pocket passers when they don't do what he does for the offense...

Bunch of clown posts on this board today.

 

[ulukinatme]

Rodgers is DEFINITELY a d-bag

If only because he's a cheat...he's sleepin' with my woman!

 

[IrishBroker]

Please point out the fact I listed that was wrong. I'll wait.

It's as if some people can't grasp the concepts of run-first offenses, dual-threat QBs, and efficiency metrics. His completion percentage doesn't matter one iota relative to YPA... his QB rating doesn't matter relative to other pocket passers when they don't do what he does for the offense...

Bunch of clown posts on this board today.

There is a reason there are rankings. There are reasons we keep statistics. He was a middle of pack guy. And yes, it all counts towards Cam. You don't get to cherry pick.

YPA doesn't matter either if you're just slinging it downfield and missing 50% of the time, now does it?

 

[IrishLax]

There is a reason there are rankings. There are reasons we keep statistics. He was a middle of pack guy. And yes, it all counts towards Cam. You don't get to cherry pick.

YPA doesn't matter either if you're just slinging it downfield and missing 50% of the time, now does it?

lol yes it does because it's normalized in the yards per attempt... if you miss 50% of the time but the other 50% it goes for 30 yards you'd be a highly effective QB.

 

[IrishBroker]

lol yes it does because it's normalized in the yards per attempt... if you miss 50% of the time but the other 50% it goes for 30 yards you'd be a highly effective QB.

But you have guys completing 65% and above that are doing the same thing. In fact, at lot of them. The difference is minuscule in YPA. But they are completing passes nearly 10 pts higher than Cam.


He's an unbelievable talent. He really is. But I disagree that his second year was anything but subpar.

 

[ulukinatme]

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[IrishBroker]

How appropriate. From Sportscrack.com

I ordered the "Catholics vs Cousins" shirt from them back in 2012.

Good stuff

 

[BobbyMac]

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[ulukinatme]

I ordered the "Catholics vs Cousins" shirt from them back in 2012.

Good stuff

They've got a new "Catholics vs. Convicts" shirt:

I've got several over the years. "FUSC," "Ann Arbor is a Whore," "Reesus," a "Who's chicken now?" Michigan shirt, a Kelly "Don't Poke the Bear," and two "Tailgate Like a Champion Today" shirts. One for every day of the week.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Last year they weren't very good either. I mean, Ted Ginn was your #1? And he had Olsen back then as well.

That wasn't the issue..it was his turnovers. Had around 20 turnovers.

Coming from a Bears fan, where 95% of people bash Cutler (including Bear fans) when for the first 4 years his #1 was Devin Hester, Cam gets no sympathy from me.

 

[IrishBroker]

They've got a new "Catholics vs. Convicts" shirt:

I've got several over the years. "FUSC," "Ann Arbor is a Whore," "Reesus," a "Who's chicken now?" Michigan shirt, a Kelly "Don't Poke the Bear," and two "Tailgate Like a Champion Today" shirts. One for every day of the week.

I got one I found at a resale shop a few years back that said:

"Dump Davie" on the front and "Save Irish football" on the back. LOL

 

[BobbyMac]

Coming from a Bears fan, where 95% of people bash Cutler (including Bear fans) when for the first 4 years his #1 was Devin Hester, Cam gets no sympathy from me.

Take it from a real Bear fan, I guarantee Hester was not the #1 WR for Jay's first 4 years. He only led the Bears in rec yds once or twice and those could have been before Cutler got there... right after Bernard Berrian signed with the Vikes.

Johnny Knox took over the yardage and receptions lead soon after Cutler showed up if not immediately... that along with Olsen getting the most targets until he left after the '10 season.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Take it from a real Bear fan, I guarantee Hester was not the #1 WR for Jay's first 4 years. He only led the Bears in rec yds once or twice and those could have been before Cutler got there... right after Bernard Berrian signed with the Vikes.

Johnny Knox took over the yardage and receptions lead soon after Cutler showed up if not immediately... that along with Olsen getting the most targets until he left after the '10 season.

And Earl Bennett was probably Jay's favorite target while healthy.

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[Crazy Balki]

Take it from a real Bear fan, I guarantee Hester was not the #1 WR for Jay's first 4 years. He only led the Bears in rec yds once or twice and those could have been before Cutler got there... right after Bernard Berrian signed with the Vikes.

Johnny Knox took over the yardage and receptions lead soon after Cutler showed up if not immediately... that along with Olsen getting the most targets until he left after the '10 season.

Forgot about Bennett, but still.

When Knox was healthy, sadly that wasn't as often as we'd had hoped. Bennett at his peak was solid, but unspectacular. Certainly nothing to brag about. The instant he left Chicago, he got cut by the Browns...

A corp of Hester, Bennett and Knox is nothing to brag about, even with Olsen as a TE. Bennett couldn't even stay on roster in Cleveland of all places, and he was our primary receiver?

 

[BobbyMac]

And Earl Bennett was probably Jay's favorite target while healthy.

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All three weeks in '09.

Looked up the stats...

Hester did have the most yards Jay's first year. Earl and Olsen were on his heels and Jay threw to Olsen a lot. Olsen led the team in TD's followed by Knox and Aromashadu (sp) out of the WR/TE's

in '10 & '11, Johnny Knox started blowing up. I know I've said it in Fuller's thread, Johnny Knox is the only guy I've seen that had Fuller's sneaky 6th gear where you think you are running at top speed with him and then you look back down from tracking the ball and he's 3 yards ahead of you. Those two did it effortlessly.
Knox easily led in yardage both years and only played 14 games before that horrible play.

Then don't forget, Forte led them in receptions a few years too, I was only talking WR/TE's above.

In '12 B. Marshall came to town and put up 118 & 1500+ and A. Jeffrey got drafted. that was the end of the Devin experiment.

 

[IrishLion]

Hester, Bennet and Knox?

You poor, poor souls.

 

[BobbyMac]

Hester, Bennet and Knox?

You poor, poor souls.

Hester was the prob. Knox was the perfect #2 blazer, Earl was the perfect #3 possesion guy. Hester was the perfect return guy who should have been the perfect #4 gimmick guy. Throw B. Marshall on that group and Knox/Bennett don't get hurt.

LAWD.

 

[Fbolt]

 

[IrishLion]

Sooooooo, we're all in agreement on the QB thing now, right?

Maybe Daniel Jeremiah was onto something after all....