'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[woolybug25]

5 years-ish? The Favre situation is the exception, not the rule. How'd drafting Ryan Mallet work out for the Pats when they drafted the 'heir apparent' in the 3rd round?

Considering they got a 6th round for him later, not bad. When he got snaps, he looked pretty good in their system and if Brady would have went down they would have been happy to have him. They got lucky and Brady stayed healthy. So before his contract came up, they traded him.

It's actually not "the exception". Teams draft developmental QB's every single year.

 

[woolybug25]

Rogers is not Favre. He's more mobile and the NFL protects QBs better now than they did when Favre was in his final years. Burning a 2nd rounder that will sit for a minimum of 4 years, and perhaps not even resign with you at that point, when you have a plethora of other needs would be a Bear-like move for the Pack.

Packers won't be drafting Kizer, Gant will not be choosing ND.

Favre got hurt a hell of a lot less often than Rodgers. If anything, you could argue that Farve was less injury prone.

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/9048/the-green-bay-packers-backup-quarterbacks-have-been-ridiculous-through-the-years

The "heir-apparent" move doesn't even work half the time. QBs wash out which is why taking a few stabs at it is necessary and you can't plan on the first swing hitting. If you get lucky and it hits you have options - like they did with Hasselbeck, Brooks, Brunell

Wikipedia "Hasselbeck joined former head coach Mike Holmgren and the Seattle Seahawks on March 2, 2001. The Packers traded him, along with their first draft pick (17th overall), to the Seahawks for their first (10th overall) and third-round draft picks (72nd overall)." - Not bad use of your 1998 6th round pick

Wikipedia "The Packers traded Brooks and tight end Lamont Hall to the Saints for linebacker K. D. Williams and the Saints' third round pick in the 2001 draft ahead of the 2000 season" - he was a very late 4th round pick in 1999 for the Pack.

Wikipedia "Mark Brunell was selected by the Green Bay Packers in the 5th round of the 1993 NFL Draft. " "After two years with the Packers, he was acquired in 1995 by the Jacksonville Jaguars, in a trade for a 3rd round and 5th round pick in the 1995 draft." - turning a fifth round pick into a 3rd and 5th round pick in two years = not too shabby.

As an organization they have gotten good value being perpetual lurkers in late rounds for QB talent. Many don't pan out but a disproportionate number do.

As for Rodgers - he can be considered lurker value "Rodgers's slip to the 24th selection and the Packers choosing to pick Brett Favre's future replacement became one of the biggest stories of the draft, though he was still the second quarterback selected. His drop in the draft was later ranked number one on the NFL Network's Top 10 Draft Day Moments. Many teams drafting between the second and 23rd positions had positional needs more pressing than quarterback." - AND they were in a position to seriously start looking for a successor/legit back up plan.

 

[RDU Irish]

Kizer probably needs to slide to at least the 4th round for the Packers to get interested. Still too early for them to feel the steal.

 

[dublinirish]

Kizer probably needs to slide to at least the 4th round for the Packers to get interested. Still too early for them to feel the steal.

yup especially when they need help at DB

 

[Blaise]

yup especially when they need help at DB

and OL and RB

 

[koonja]

Kizer probably needs to slide to at least the 4th round for the Packers to get interested. Still too early for them to feel the steal.

Yeah, they have too many other needs, especially at DB. There's no chance they are considering drafting Kizer with their first pick.

 

[dublinirish]

and OL and RB

Dan Freeney out of IU would be a good pick to replace TJ Lang

 

[Blaise]

Dan Freeney out of IU would be a good pick to replace TJ Lang

That's a really good fit

 

[dublinirish]

That's a really good fit

in my mind its what they are planning to do. they didnt want to spend a 1st rounder on an interior OL.

 

[Blaise]

in my mind its what they are planning to do. they didnt want to spend a 1st rounder on an interior OL.

Lamp could be another player they are looking at

 

[RDU Irish]

I would go OL before RB if I were GB. Open holes before you pick someone to run through them - plus protect your franchise QB that they are due to start under-appreciating.

Saying GB has so many holes to fill is such a Packer fan thing to say too.

 

[IrishLion]

Lamp could be another player they are looking at

Lamp should be the next OL gone. The guy is Zack Martin's clone.

All-pro potential at guard, but good enough to play OT if needed (despite measurables).

 

[NDdomer2]

I thought packers just drafted dude from UCLA?

 

[dwshade]

How long did Rodgers sit behind Favre?

Three years. Favre then played a year with the Jets and two with the Vikings.

 

[dwshade]

What he plans to do and what will happen are two different things. If anyone should know that, it's him. This would be a near identical situation as they had when they drafted him. Farve planned on playing until he was 40 too.

Favre was 41 in his final year with Vikings. I'd be surprised if Rodgers isn't still playing at 40. And well. Brady and Brees will be playing into their 40's as well. Eli, Rivers , Big Ben all likely as well.

 

[woolybug25]

Favre was 41 in his final year with Vikings. I'd be surprised if Rodgers isn't still playing at 40. And well. Brady and Brees will be playing into their 40's as well. Eli, Rivers , Big Ben all likely as well.

Wat?

- Favre played for a different team and quickly declined.
- Who knows if Brady and Brees will, but statistics aren't on their side.
- Big Ben literally almost retired after this season.

 

[ND NYC]

hope (any team) can grab Dalvin Cook before the eagles have a chance to tonite in rd 2

 

[dwshade]

Wat?

- Favre played for a different team and quickly declined.
- Who knows if Brady and Brees will, but statistics aren't on their side.
- Big Ben literally almost retired after this season.

Quickly declined? Two years after leaving the Pack he led the Vikings to a 12-4 season losing in OT in NFC championship game to eventual SB champion Saints. At age 40. Brady will be 40 this season, Brees next season. They are still playing at a high level. As a Steelers fan we never pay attention to what Ben says. He's a drama queen. With the offensive talent they have assembled around him he'll play another 5 years no doubt. They'll have to drag him off the field.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think Ben's comments were solely to say draft for now not the future

 

[koonja]

Quickly declined? Two years after leaving the Pack he led the Vikings to a 12-4 season losing in OT in NFC championship game to eventual SB champion Saints. At age 40. Brady will be 40 this season, Brees next season. They are still playing at a high level. As a Steelers fan we never pay attention to what Ben says. He's a drama queen. With the offensive talent they have assembled around him he'll play another 5 years no doubt. They'll have to drag him off the field.

In 2009 with the Vikings, Favre had a career high completion percentage of 68.4%, threw for 4,202 yards (his 3rd best ever), 33 TDs (his 4th best year ever), a career high in yards per pass (7.9), and a career low for any year he started in interception (7), and a career high passer rating (107).

If that's quickly declining, sign me up.

Again, zero chance the Packers are even considering Kizer with pick 33. Rogers will play 5 more years.

 

[NDdomer2]

In 2009 with the Vikings, Favre had a career high completion percentage of 68.4%, threw for 4,202 yards (his 3rd best ever), 33 TDs (his 4th best year ever), a career high in yards per pass (7.9), and a career low for any year he started in interception (7), and a career high passer rating (107).

If that's quickly declining, sign me up.

Again, zero chance the Packers are even considering Kizer with pick 33. Rogers will play 5 more years.

He was nothing after saints beat shit out of him tho and clearly looked old by playoffs. So the regular season numbers support on stance the season end and next year support the other

 

[RDU Irish]

In 2009 with the Vikings, Favre had a career high completion percentage of 68.4%, threw for 4,202 yards (his 3rd best ever), 33 TDs (his 4th best year ever), a career high in yards per pass (7.9), and a career low for any year he started in interception (7), and a career high passer rating (107).

If that's quickly declining, sign me up.

Again, zero chance the Packers are even considering Kizer with pick 33. Rogers will play 5 more years.

Aaron did OK that year in GB - they were one win behind the Vikings and "They scored a franchise record 461 points (currently the third best behind the 2011 and 2014 teams) besting the 1996 Super Bowl team's 456." (thank Wikipedia)

Team finished 7th in passing offense and 6th in total offense. I'm not going to go compare those 2011 and 2014 results noted above to the Vikings or Favre's production but I suspect they were at least the same. I suspect the salary cap space eaten up was in Rodger's favor as well.

 

[NDbrbkny]

then what was it drafting hundley (UCLA QB) for the packers

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Quickly declined? Two years after leaving the Pack he led the Vikings to a 12-4 season losing in OT in NFC championship game to eventual SB champion Saints. At age 40. Brady will be 40 this season, Brees next season. They are still playing at a high level. As a Steelers fan we never pay attention to what Ben says. He's a drama queen. With the offensive talent they have assembled around him he'll play another 5 years no doubt. They'll have to drag him off the field.

Wat? There is no way Ben is the QB in Pittsburgh for the next 5 years and if I were a Steelers fan, that would be comforting. He is a good QB no doubt be he will not look good at 40. Some QBs age well and some don't, I really don't think Ben looks good in even 3 years.

That is purely speculative but as a franchise, I'd be getting someone ready. I'm sure they've had plenty of internal discussions so watch what they do through the rest of the draft.

 

[dwshade]

Wat? There is no way Ben is the QB in Pittsburgh for the next 5 years and if I were a Steelers fan, that would be comforting. He is a good QB no doubt be he will not look good at 40. Some QBs age well and some don't, I really don't think Ben looks good in even 3 years.

That is purely speculative but as a franchise, I'd be getting someone ready. I'm sure they've had plenty of internal discussions so watch what they do through the rest of the draft.

Ben the last three years has played his best football. He hasn't lost a bit of arm strength and I can you tell the power people in the organization believe he's playing 4-5 more years and at a high level. I would bet any amount of money on this.

 

[NDdomer2]

then what was it drafting hundley (UCLA QB) for the packers

I wondered same thing. Doubtful they take kizer unless hundley has already clearly demonstrated the NFL is too much for him, and that Rodgers can't play another 5.

Why not wait til next years draft?

 

[NDbrbkny]

KIZER TO CLE!

 

[NDPhilly]

Hope he can sit for a little but I doubt it considering the Browns situation

 

[NDRock]

Reminds me of Brady. Lose out on being drafted high (and the money) in the first round and still end up with the Browns. Hope this is the beginning of better things in Cleveland. Like what they've done so far.