'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

[dang227]

So, after watching and rewatching the game.

Does anyone here actually believe that in one off season he went from below Joe Schmidt to this?

Because I'm calling complete fucking bullshit.

Just think where he could be right now with solid playing time last year... Glad the staff prepped him well.

I completely agree


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[Luckylucci]

So, after watching and rewatching the game.

Does anyone here actually believe that in one off season he went from below Joe Schmidt to this?

Because I'm calling complete fucking bullshit.

Just think where he could be right now with solid playing time last year... Glad the staff prepped him well.

BK has essentially told us this. With making the comment they were loyal to a fault with Schmidt. Not saying it can't be discussed, but I think most have conceded this already.

 

[IrishBroker]

So, after watching and rewatching the game.

Does anyone here actually believe that in one off season he went from below Joe Schmidt to this?

Because I'm calling complete fucking bullshit.

Just think where he could be right now with solid playing time last year... Glad the staff prepped him well.

He got wore out in that game. Looked like he gave up tackling after the first half.

Laid some pretty good hits on in the first half, though.

 

[ulukinatme]

Maybe if Joe was still with the team Sunday he could have lined up the safeties better and prevented all those bombs.

 

[GoIrish41]

He got wore out in that game. Looked like he gave up tackling after the first half.

Laid some pretty good hits on in the first half, though.

How many tackles did he end up with? I can't find any individual defensive stats from the game. He was definitely active against Texas.

 

[IrishBroker]

How many tackles did he end up with? I can't find any individual defensive stats from the game. He was definitely active against Texas.

Definitely active. But a buncha tackles doesn't mean you had a good game.

He missed a bunch as well


looked tired and beat up. Which if my Dline was playing like that, I would be too. LOL

 

[General Colon Bowel]

How many tackles did he end up with? I can't find any individual defensive stats from the game. He was definitely active against Texas.

9 solo and 4 assisted for a total of 13 tackles. None for loss

cfbstats.com - 2016 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Tackles

 

[Luckylucci]

Morgan's stat line. 13 tackles, 9 solo

He wasn't perfect but I thought he played well. I agree that he seemed to wear down towards the end of the game. Not getting off the field in earlier drives seem to really take its toll on the defense. They were out there for too many plays.

 

[IrishBroker]

Morgan's stat line. 13 tackles, 9 solo

He wasn't perfect but I thought he played well. I agree that he seemed to wear down towards the end of the game. Not getting off the field in earlier drives seem to really take its toll on the defense. They were out there for too many plays.

For sure. I don't put the blame all on him. Dline was trash, and we couldn't get off the field.

 

[GoIrish41]

9 solo and 4 assisted for a total of 13 tackles. None for loss

cfbstats.com - 2016 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Tackles

Thanks.

If he averages 13 tackles a game, he'll end up with 156 tackles and be an All-American. For comparrisson, Joe Schmidt had 164 career tackles on his career, including two years as a starter at the same position. And last year, he never left the field. I'll take 13 tackles a game.

 

[Henges24]

Team JS...?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt missed 22.7% of his tackle attempts last season. <br><br>Nyles Morgan had 14 tackles, 0 missed tackles vs Texas</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/773676058860097536">September 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

Again, I thought he played well but after re-watching the game. He left some production on the field as well.

 

[ThePiombino]

Team JS...?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt missed 22.7% of his tackle attempts last season. <br><br>Nyles Morgan had 14 tackles, 0 missed tackles vs Texas</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/773676058860097536">September 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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And the only reason he didn't miss more is because he couldn't get off blocks.

 

[IrishLion]

Again, I thought he played well but after re-watching the game. He left some production on the field as well.

He definitely left some plays on the field. They don't show as missed tackles, but there were four or five instances that I can think of where Nyles just kind of flew in and tried to submarine a lead blocker, rather than try to take on the block and make a play.

I understand that sometimes guys are coached to do what they can to clog the hole and/or clear space for other defenders, which sometimes means they hit the deck and try to make a pile and take out a bunch of legs, but Nyles seemed over-reliant on diving in low.

It's amazing to think that even with such noticeable improvements that need to be made, he already looks like a vast upgrade over the position from last year haha.

 

[gkIrish]

Seeing that 0 missed tackles tidbit makes me want to puke.

 

[IrishBroker]

Team JS...?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt missed 22.7% of his tackle attempts last season. <br><br>Nyles Morgan had 14 tackles, 0 missed tackles vs Texas</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/773676058860097536">September 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Could be the biggest lie in history. I was at the game and he missed on at least half a dozen tackles in the second half alone

 

[Sherm Sticky]

And the only reason he didn't miss more is because he couldn't get off blocks.

Damn 3-3-5

 

[kmoose]

Focus on the MLB on this play......

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and on these two TD plays(fast forward to about 2:25)....

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Morgan misdiagnosed the hole on all 3 of these touchdown plays. That might be due to not being coached well enough, and it could be a player just not focusing or doing enough prep work in the film room.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Morgan missed some assignments but I think for his first start (minus some injury play in his TF year) he played pretty well. He whiffed on some plays but he also made a lot of good solo tackles and I think he was MUCH better than Joe last year. I think by the end of this season he will have put in a solid year. I'd like to see him on some blitzes but I don't see that happening

 

[IrishBroker]

Morgan missed some assignments but I think for his first start (minus some injury play in his TF year) he played pretty well. He whiffed on some plays but he also made a lot of good solo tackles and I think he was MUCH better than Joe last year. I think by the end of this season he will have put in a solid year. I'd like to see him on some blitzes but I don't see that happening

And he's an absolute thumper. Had some hits that rattled me way up in the stands.

 

[kmoose]

Morgan missed some assignments but I think for his first start (minus some injury play in his TF year) he played pretty well. He whiffed on some plays but he also made a lot of good solo tackles and I think he was MUCH better than Joe last year. I think by the end of this season he will have put in a solid year. I'd like to see him on some blitzes but I don't see that happening

Well, as long as we are going to bitch about Zaire getting 3 series and that costing us the game, we might as well bitch about Morgan giving up 3 touchdowns by being in the wrong spot......

I hope he has an All American type year, from here on out.

 

[Wild Bill]

Well, as long as we are going to bitch about Zaire getting 3 series and that costing us the game, we might as well bitch about Morgan giving up 3 touchdowns by being in the wrong spot......

I hope he has an All American type year, from here on out.

Where was he supposed to be on those three plays?

Looked like he was reading keys on the first play but was confused by the H back's stutter step in the backfield. Wasn't the greatest rep he's ever had but the safety had a clear shot on the ball carrier and tackled the turf instead. He didn't read his keys on the second play. Took himself out of the play and they picked up three yards. The third TD he got caught up in the wash. JO needs to hold that double team a bit better and tillery needs to make a football play in the backfield.

You can bitch about morgan when he misses a read or two. I'll just be happy about having a mike that can physically handle himself out there.

 

[gkIrish]

Focus on the MLB on this play......

and on these two TD plays(fast forward to about 2:25)....

Morgan misdiagnosed the hole on all 3 of these touchdown plays. That might be due to not being coached well enough, and it could be a player just not focusing or doing enough prep work in the film room.

I must have missed your objective analysis of Joe Schmidt last year.

 

[Luckylucci]

Where was he supposed to be on those three plays?

My contention as well. Here's my thoughts.

I don't view the first touchdown as his fault. Like 18 stripes illustrated the S's should have been playing outside/in (wider from the start), in which case they would've funneled the play back inside. Or simply made the tackle.

Its not always the Mike backers responsibility to guess/choose what gap the RB will come out of, but its his responsibility to get to his gap. I'm of the opinion that he had the right fit but the play spilled outside as their was no contain from the S's.

Also, on the last one, I'm not sure Morgan has the wrong fit there either. I'd love to hear the coaches thoughts. It looks to me like him and Martini fit the right gaps. However, JO, for whatever reason is on the LOS, gets pushed a few yards off the LOS essentially into the gap that Morgan should fill. If both players come underneath that block, then the same thing could've happened that did on the first one. No one outside to keep contain and Swoopes takes it there. They had that play well diagnosed. JO gets pushed too deep and Martini can't make the tackle. With that said Morgan should've done a better job or made a better effort to actually get in the play but that's different than being in the wrong spot.

 

[Wild Bill]

My contention as well. Here's my thoughts.

I don't view the first touchdown as his fault. Like 18 stripes illustrated the S's should have been playing outside/in (wider from the start), in which case they would've funneled the play back inside. Or simply made the tackle.

Its not always the Mike backers responsibility to guess/choose what gap the RB will come out of, but its his responsibility to get to his gap. I'm of the opinion that he had the right fit but the play spilled outside as their was no contain from the S's.

Also, on the last one, I'm not sure Morgan has the wrong fit there either. I'd love to hear the coaches thoughts. It looks to me like him and Martini fit the right gaps. However, JO, for whatever reason is on the LOS, gets pushed a few yards off the LOS essentially into the gap that Morgan should fill. If both players come underneath that block, then the same thing could've happened that did on the first one. No one outside to keep contain and Swoopes takes it there. They had that play well diagnosed. JO gets pushed too deep and Martini can't make the tackle. With that said Morgan should've done a better job or made a better effort to actually get in the play but that's different than being in the wrong spot.

Basically agree and edited my post to be more detailed.

 

[fitz_bu47]

It's funny to me that we look at film and try and diagnose who messed up their fit. I played inside backer in college, and I can't tell you who messed up their fit on most plays b/c I have no idea what the call or defense is, or who each guy is keying on. Some of you guys must have more connections in the Gug than I realized w/ your understanding of what we are running!

 

[BeauBenken]

Focus on the MLB on this play......

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and on these two TD plays(fast forward to about 2:25)....

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Morgan misdiagnosed the hole on all 3 of these touchdown plays. That might be due to not being coached well enough, and it could be a player just not focusing or doing enough prep work in the film room.

Actually, there's only one play there where I think he had a miscue.

Play #1 - Morgan followed the Y-Back to what was the intended hole (looks like a simple inside zone play), the backside DE and LB both screw up terribly though and Foreman breaks the play for a TD. He could've gotten in on this play, but he just didn't see the bounce back by Foreman, kinda the best thing about zone plays.

Play #2 - Morgan follows the halfback, misses the the Y and RG pulling. Here's your miscue.

Play #3 - The game winning TD. This play is essentially the 2 point conversion play that we failed on from last years Clemson game. This one is blown the fuck up though. We had it stopped, missed two tackles in the backfield including the backside backer (again) who goes unblocked (again), and Swoopes makes a hell of a play cutting it back (there's nowhere for him to go playside). Morgan did not misread, in fact, none of the defense did. We just didn't tackle.

Not being in on a tackle or in a hole does not equate to a miscue.

 

[IrishBroker]

It's funny to me that we look at film and try and diagnose who messed up their fit. I played inside backer in college, and I can't tell you who messed up their fit on most plays b/c I have no idea what the call or defense is, or who each guy is keying on. Some of you guys must have more connections in the Gug than I realized w/ your understanding of what we are running!

I have to say, you are 100% correct. I also played college ball and most of what I read on here is opinion when it comes to dissecting plays and gameplans.

Not that it's all wrong, but some people on here act like they are in the huddle or actually sitting with Kelly creating gameplans. LOL

 

[kmoose]

I must have missed your objective analysis of Joe Schmidt last year.

I like how you conveniently edited out my statement that I hope the kid goes on to have an All American type year......

I'm not bagging on Morgan. In fact, the winning touchdown is all on Tillery. He didn't even have to bring the guy down; but at least get a hand on him and hold him up until pursuit can get there.

But Morgan did make some mistakes out there. Rookie mistakes that he probably SHOULD have made. But they were still mistakes.

But you know what? None of you would have accepted any of these explanations last year for Joe Schmidt. I think you are all racists who didn't like Schmidt simply because he is white!

 

[Luckylucci]

I have to say, you are 100% correct. I also played college ball and most of what I read on here is opinion when it comes to dissecting plays and gameplans.

Not that it's all wrong, but some people on here act like they are in the huddle or actually sitting with Kelly creating gameplans. LOL

I can only speak for myself my intention wasn't to act as if what I said was fact. That's why I said in my post "I'd love to talk to the coaches." Knowing the other posters fairly well, I don't believe they were either.

However, I do think with understanding the game and taking a few differnt things into account, you can make a reasonably educated decision. But ultimately you are right, I could be completely wrong, just don't think I am