'13 IN ATH Jaylon Smith (Notre Dame Man & Graduate)

IrishLax · Jan 5, 2016

There were lots of people reporting initially that it wasn't that bad, and since then there have been a lot of people saying it's a very severe, traumatic injury.

If it's the latter, then the situation gets very complicated in terms of returning or not and how his insurance does or does not pay out. So that could explain the lack of information at this time. One way or another we're going to hear something within two weeks.

fightingirish26 · Jan 5, 2016

IrishLax said:
The Bosa hit? I don't think so.

really? nvm

FWIrish4 · Jan 5, 2016

NDLightning35 said:
Why is an official medical diagnosis taking so long? Do you think they're going around getting lots of second opinions? or what

There's more going on than a simple ligament tear unfortunately. So I'm not sure if they are seeking more opinions for a more thorough diagnosis or waiting for the swelling or complications to subside before going in on it. And like what was said, he isn't required to release it.

IrishLax · Jan 5, 2016

FWIrish4 said:
There's more going on than a simple ligament tear unfortunately. So I'm not sure if they are seeking more opinions for a more thorough diagnosis or waiting for the swelling or complications to subside before going in on it. And like what was said, he isn't required to release it.

I'm assuming you heard stuff from local sources?

BobbyMac · Jan 5, 2016

FWIrish4 said:
There's more going on than a simple ligament tear unfortunately. So I'm not sure if they are seeking more opinions for a more thorough diagnosis or waiting for the swelling or complications to subside before going in on it. And like what was said, he isn't required to release it.

Since that's a statement from a FW guy... Did he break the tibia? Hamstring damage? Help some brothers out.

TDHeysus · Jan 5, 2016

this is pure speculative....The way Jaylon's injury looked when I was watching made me think he was hurt pretty bad. Then BK had to go ahead and say the 'significant' word when describing it. But the injury reminded me of Napoleon McCallum's injury when he played with the Raiders. I don't think Jaylon's injury was that catastrophic(hopefully), but I thought Jaylon's injury was 'more than just a torn ligament'.

quesy-warning when watching this:

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FWIrish4 · Jan 5, 2016

NDCrusader said:
Since that's a statement from a FW guy... Did he break the tibia? Hamstring damage? Help some brothers out.

I would love to but I have way too much respect for Jaylon and the source that passed it along. I really don't want to be the guy who posts knowledge about a significant injury to a very high draft pick on the Internet and I hope that's understandable.

dwshade · Jan 5, 2016

Won't be playing football next season it would appear.

Wild Bill · Jan 5, 2016

FWIrish4 said:
I would love to but I have way too much respect for Jaylon and the source that passed it along. I really don't want to be the guy who posts knowledge about a significant injury to a very high draft pick on the Internet and I hope that's understandable.

Understandable. A pm would be just fine.

Irish#1 · Jan 5, 2016

dwshade said:
Won't be playing football next season it would appear.

Even if it was just an ACL, I think the prognosis for playing next year would be limited given he injured it at the end of the season.

CanadalovesND · Jan 5, 2016

He will undergo reconstructive knee surgery. Damn.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources told Irish Illustrated that Smith tore two ligaments in his knee, including the ACL. <a href="https://t.co/sQO1k4qW70">https://t.co/sQO1k4qW70</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/684520408419270656">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame OLB Jaylon Smith will undergo reconstructive left knee surgery Thursday, per sources. Has been top 5-10 draft projection.</p>— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/684517331654078464">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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NDVirginia19 · Jan 5, 2016

Matt Fortuna says ACL and MCL. I feel awful for him, but this is better news than it being the PCL, correct? IIRC Navorro Bowman suffered the same injury, and he lead the NFL in tackles this year

stlnd01 · Jan 5, 2016

NDLightning35 said:
Matt Fortuna says ACL and MCL. I feel awful for him, but this is better news than it being the PCL, correct?

I believe it is (at least according to my physical-therapist wife).
Any idea what "reconstructive" surgery means? Or is that one of those words sports reporters throw out to sound like they know what they're talking about?

Big23Head · Jan 5, 2016

stlnd01 said:
I believe it is (at least according to my physical-therapist wife).
Any idea what "reconstructive" surgery means? Or is that one of those words sports reporters throw out to sound like they know what they're talking about?

Reconstructive globally means putting the ligaments and soft tissues back where they belong (in Jaylon's case I would assume he didn't have bone damage). Re-attaching the MCL and replacing the ACL most likely. If there is meniscus damage then suturing or trimming that as well.

Guest · Jan 5, 2016

Luckylucci said:
Yea, that picture is tough to look at. My heart sure goes out to Jaylon.

On another note, if/when he declares I'd like to see my Cowboys trade back and pick him up. Might make more sense for my fanhood than the Cowboys, but I like it.

Agreed from a fellow Cowboy fan. He would complement Sean Lee quite well.

koonja · Jan 5, 2016

Aren't pcl and acl same thing, just facing one another? Mcl is the outside and easier to repair thing.

Big23Head · Jan 5, 2016

koonja said:
Aren't pcl and acl same thing, just facing one another? Mcl is the outside and easier to repair thing.

ACL is more common to repair, most experience doing so. Essentially the ACL and PCL oppose each other and are in the middle of the knee slightly crossed from the frontal view. MCL is medial so the inside of the knee.

irishandy · Jan 5, 2016

damn....feel sorry for Jaylon. Prayers to you Mr. Smith!

stlnd01 · Jan 5, 2016

Big23Head said:
Reconstructive globally means putting the ligaments and soft tissues back where they belong (in Jaylon's case I would assume he didn't have bone damage). Re-attaching the MCL and replacing the ACL most likely. If there is meniscus damage then suturing or trimming that as well.

Thanks, doc.

PerthDomer · Jan 5, 2016

Guys generally come back from ACL's between 4 and 8 months. Elite athletes tend to come back really quick with the intensive rehab they get (Tranquil was 4 if I remember right). If he came back to ND I'd expect him to play game opener. If he went pro he'd have more trouble since it could slow him down/make him more tenative and slow his learning given he'd be out for camp.

If he doesn't need the money immediately I might come back just to prove I'm worth the top 10 pick.

Whiskeyjack · Jan 5, 2016

stlnd01 said:
I believe it is (at least according to my physical-therapist wife).
Any idea what "reconstructive" surgery means? Or is that one of those words sports reporters throw out to sound like they know what they're talking about?

And here's why it's necessary:

pkt77242 · Jan 5, 2016

PerthDomer said:
Guys generally come back from ACL's between 4 and 8 months. Elite athletes tend to come back really quick with the intensive rehab they get (Tranquil was 4 if I remember right). If he came back to ND I'd expect him to play game opener. If he went pro he'd have more trouble since it could slow him down/make him more tenative and slow his learning given he'd be out for camp.

If he doesn't need the money immediately I might come back just to prove I'm worth the top 10 pick.

What? Are you talking about superman? 9 months is a very fast heal time for an ACL 4-8 months is fucking superhuman.

FDNYIrish1 · Jan 5, 2016

I'm not a doctor clearly but suspected an ACL from the mechanism of injury and valgus collapse of the knee. This is a strong, young athlete, I'm sure he will recover fully. Though incredibly serious, these type injuries aren't career Enders like they used to be. He's going to be a steal for someone who can be patient with his recovery.

dwshade · Jan 5, 2016

Another source says it's the LCL rather than the MCL which makes more sense given the way the injury occurred.

PerthDomer · Jan 5, 2016

6-12 months for your average Joe, however:

Some patients are now returning to full activity at six months (and some high-level athletes sooner) following reconstructive surgery.

I think I came back to full function at 8 or 9 months from mine and I was a med student who was just doing home excercises 15 minutes a day and went to rehab every other week. Whatever Jaylon does I'd expect an extremely quick recovery.

military_irish · Jan 5, 2016

pkt77242 said:
What? Are you talking about superman? 9 months is a very fast heal time for an ACL 4-8 months is fucking superhuman.

According to this article 4-9 months is common now with new surgery and rehab techniques.

ACL Recovery in the NFL/

dwshade · Jan 5, 2016

But it's not just the ACL. More extensive than that with the LCL also involved.

pkt77242 · Jan 5, 2016

PerthDomer said:
6-12 months for your average Joe, however:

Some patients are now returning to full activity at six months (and some high-level athletes sooner) following reconstructive surgery.

I think I came back to full function at 8 or 9 months from mine and I was a med student who was just doing home excercises 15 minutes a day and went to rehab every other week. Whatever Jaylon does I'd expect an extremely quick recovery.

Full function for you, but what about for a pro athlete?

military_irish said:
According to this article 4-9 months is common now with new surgery and rehab techniques.

ACL Recovery in the NFL/

That link says

Doctors at the Richmond Bone and Joint Clinic in Sugarland, Texas, found in 2010 that 31 of 49 (63%) of NFL players studied returned to play in the league an average of 10.8 months after surgery.

10.8 months as the average seems about right. I would guess 9-12 months is typical.

What NFL player outside of Adrian Peterson has come back from a complete tear in 8 months or less?

Has anyone seen an elite athlete come back in 6 months or less?

FWIrish4 · Jan 5, 2016

Yeah I was told LCL and ACL also. (Sorry Lax I accidentally told you PCL when I meant LCL earlier)

Sherm Sticky · Jan 5, 2016

Apparently it's the same injury Bowman had. And Bowman was out for over 12 months.

I hope he comes back and works his way back into the first round.

I still think it was a dirty and unnecessary hit by Decker. They were 10 yards down the field, the play was over and he was getting up from off the ground. F*ck Decker

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