'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[GBdomer]

Chip Kelly's offense is unreal, he played Colt Lyerla at running back for a while.

 

[Luckylucci]

Wow that was a massive brain fart with forgetting about Arik. I was if front of my computer last year hitting refresh and forgot about him.

 

[Booslum31]

Redfield mentioned that he needed the right "spiritual fit"...Nothing spiritual about Oregon.

 

[IrishLion]

Redfield mentioned that he needed the right "spiritual fit"...Nothing spiritual about Oregon.

The wings on their jerseys are actually angel wings. Totally spiritual.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

To be clear, ND didn't "lose" Armstead or Marshall to UO. IIRC, Marshall was ready to commit to ND on his visit, but we had to turn him away due to grades, and Armstead would be Irish today if his older brother had been cleared medically.

I can't recall a single recruit whom we've legitimately lost to the Ducks.

 

[Irish#1]

Redfield mentioned that he needed the right "spiritual fit"...Nothing spiritual about Oregon.

Except for the herb.

 

[Luckylucci]

Whiskey, wouldn't Christian French be one?

 

[Irishnuke]

To be clear, ND didn't "lose" Armstead or Marshall to UO. IIRC, Marshall was ready to commit to ND on his visit, but we had to turn him away due to grades, and Armstead would be Irish today if his older brother had been cleared medically.

I can't recall a single recruit whom we've legitimately lost to the Ducks.

Christian French

 

[Emcee77]

I have a hard time believing any recruit could truly be 50/50 between UO and ND. Beyond the success both programs are experiencing right now, they're basically polar opposites.

True, I assume that Redfield just doesn't know what he wants yet. Hopefully he visits Oregon and realizes that he we can offer him a lot more.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskey, wouldn't Christian French be one?

Christian French

I suppose he counts, but that happened during the coaching transition between Weis and Kelly. Could argue the legitimacy of that loss.

 

[Grahambo]

All Notre Dame needs to do is hold off the Oregon rush. Oregon is a true player

Don't you think the job status of Chip Kelly plays a role in this?

(One could hope anyway.)

 

[Emcee77]

To be clear, ND didn't "lose" Armstead or Marshall to UO. IIRC, Marshall was ready to commit to ND on his visit, but we had to turn him away due to grades, and Armstead would be Irish today if his older brother had been cleared medically.

I can't recall a single recruit whom we've legitimately lost to the Ducks.

What do you mean by "legitimately lost to the Ducks"? IIRC, the deciding factor in Arik choosing ND was that we would also take his brother. When we ended up not clearing Armond, and it had become clear that no one would, Arik re-evaluated his options, leaving his bro out of the equation. Then he decided that he liked what Oregon was offering more than he liked what we were offering. I don't see any reason to asterisk that one. He picked Oregon over us.

Or maybe the point is that Arik Armstead was never legitimately interested in ND in the first place for his own sake, and we only had any chance because of his brother? That might be right.

 

[PraetorianND]

I have a hard time believing any recruit could truly be 50/50 between UO and ND. Beyond the success both programs are experiencing right now, they're basically polar opposites.

That may not really be the case. Obviously geographically, culturally, educationally the schools are very different.

But don't forget this, both teams are winning. Both schools are in relatively small cities and have rabid fan bases. Both of their coach's last names are Kelly and they are both short and kinda chubby. Both teams have phenomenal facilities and lots of national attention. We both have silly uniforms (sometimes). Both schools have super hot and easy girls. Also, there may be some similarities we can't as outsiders like, coaching personalities, comfort level on campus, etc.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I suppose he counts, but that happened during the coaching transition between Weis and Kelly. Could argue the legitimacy of that loss.

I disagree with this. French was part of the 2011 class not the 2010 class. So BK had over a year to recruit him.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Don't you think the job status of Chip Kelly plays a role in this?

(One could hope anyway.)

He will decide well in advance of any moves that might be made by Chip.

I disagree with this. French was part of the 2011 class not the 2010 class. So BK had over a year to recruit him.

+1. The only "miss" I can think of.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What do you mean by "legitimately lost to the Ducks"? IIRC, the deciding factor in Arik choosing ND was that we would also take his brother. When we ended up not clearing Armond, and it had become clear that no one would, Arik re-evaluated his options, leaving his bro out of the equation. Then he decided that he liked what Oregon was offering more than he liked what we were offering. I don't see any reason to asterisk that one. He picked Oregon over us.

Or maybe the point is that Arik Armstead was never legitimately interested in ND in the first place for his own sake, and we only had any chance because of his brother? That might be right.

That's a good point. I was excluding Arik because we (allegedly) could have had him, but for a circumstance that was beyond ND's control (Armond's health).

My argument was that very few, if any, recruits end up having UO and ND in their final 2-3, simply because the programs are such polar opposites that most recruits either eliminate or have no interest in one or other much earlier in the process. But Armstead and French seem to contradict that, so maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I disagree with this. French was part of the 2011 class not the 2010 class. So BK had over a year to recruit him.

I saw that he committed in 2010 on his Rivals profile and failed to note the month.

I'm striking out in this thread.

 

[PraetorianND]

That's a good point. I was excluding Arik because we (allegedly) could have had him, but for a circumstance that was beyond ND's control (Armond's health).

My argument was that very few, if any, recruits end up having UO and ND in their final 2-3, simply because the programs are such polar opposites that most recruits either eliminate or have no interest in one or other much earlier in the process. But Armstead and French seem to contradict that, so maybe I'm wrong.

ND is much different from virtually every program though.

What are some of the big recruiting battles we've had? Or kids who picked schools that are seemingly completely different than ND.

Florida - AA
Oklahoma - Bennett
Houston - (sorry had to)
Colorado - Yuri
Washington - Shaq
(i'm sure there are much better examples than these, someone help me out)

I'm sure there are many more out there. I think most kids consider ND at all because it is different. They give it a chance because it stands for something different. When they decide against going to ND I think in many cases it is because it takes them too far out of their comfort zone so they revert to what is most comfortable and pick the other school.

 

[Domina Nostra]

We are going to get a lot more cross over with these schools because some kids are just looking for wins, exposure, and rankings. We'll have that in common with the Alabamas and Oregons of the world.

I don't get that feel with Redfield. At the point in the season that he was buying in, we were not considered an elite team yet. He seems to like the ND vibe, which is distinct.

I don't expect him to be blown-away by Oregon (although the facilities are supposedly the best by a mile), but if he is, then it just wasn't meant to be. How can I stay mad at a kid who left Kiffy at the altar?

On the other hand, Oregon is battling USC for McQuay, so they may not push as hard for Max.

 

[Redbar]

I saw that he committed in 2010 on his Rivals profile and failed to note the month.

I'm striking out in this thread.

So you must be batting around .950 then.

 

[Emcee77]

That's a good point. I was excluding Arik because we (allegedly) could have had him, but for a circumstance that was beyond ND's control (Armond's health).

My argument was that very few, if any, recruits end up having UO and ND in their final 2-3, simply because the programs are such polar opposites that most recruits either eliminate or have no interest in one or other much earlier in the process. But Armstead and French seem to contradict that, so maybe I'm wrong.

Well, I think the point remains. It's not a school we typically recruit against.

...

Oh god I just thought of an obvious one, potentially:

Danny Mattingly

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I saw that he committed in 2010 on his Rivals profile and failed to note the month.

I'm striking out in this thread.

I remember sitting at work in anticipation on IE the day he committed. You were not a member then, seems like you have been around forever. So start reading from this link.


http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2011-recruiting-profiles/52724-11-ia-ath-christian-french-oregon-verbal-9.html

For about a year after he made his announcement, whenever a kid announced people on IE would say the whole family came out in green lol.

 

[PraetorianND]

That wasn't really my point. ND's two big selling points are tradition and academics. Thus, our natural recruiting rivals are those schools who also sell the same things-- like USC and Michigan. We frequently go up against other schools that offer one or other as well-- e.g. OSU (tradition) and Stanford (academics).

Oregon isn't selling either of those things, and it's about as far from ND as any school in the continental US. As the most successful program in the northwest, we'll obviously recruit against them on occasion for kids that live in the area and want to stay close to home, but that's no different from any other part of the country.

My point still remains that ND is different from any other program. There are always going to be similarities but we recruit kids nationally and those kids see ND as something different. We can pull kids out of Texas, Florida, Georgia, etc because we are different.

I'm sure Michigan offers a lot of kids outside the midwest but 90% of the kids that go there are from the midwest (same thing with USC).

I'm just saying that kids are going to be interested when ND calls despite what they are "looking for." They may not even know what it is about ND but they are interested, but they are. So it's not shocking at all to see ND and Oregon go head to head for a recruit. I do agree that of their greatest selling points ND and UO aren't really similar, but ND being ND makes kids interested anyways.

if I'm a recruit and I'm looking for pro potential, good campus life, and proximity to home and I'm from Nevada I'm going to consider USC, ASU, UCLA, Cal, etc, etc. However, for some reason ND is none of those things but I haven't closed the door on them. They are the anomaly. The school that won't get out of my mind. I keep them in the game because I know it is where I SHOULD go. When i tell people that ND offered me their eyes bulge out of their eye sockets. They are so impressed and ask me if I'm considering them, what position, ask about the school. When I tell them I just picked up an offer from Arizona they say, "oh wow, congratulations." When I tell them i got an offer from Notre Dame they are elated and ask a million questions about it. So it's coming down to the end of my recruiting cycle and it's time to eliminate schools. Eliminating UCLA and ASU are easy. Eliminating ND is much harder because it is nothing like UCLA and ASU.

Sorry if this post is hard to read. It's after lunch on a Friday!

 

[dad4aa]

Any elite prospect will be interested in the schools having great seasons...especially if they are consistently having winning seasons or have a strong tradition. However, if Max is truly serious about academics being important than ND can be the only logical choice:

GSRs are "four class" graduation rates – that is, they are the combined graduation rates for the four most recent classes for which information has been reported. This analysis covers graduation rates for the classes that reached the end of their six-year graduation windows in the years 2007 through 2010.

Notre Dame 97%
LSU 77%
Alabama 69%
Washington 76%
Oregon 63%
USC 61%

 

[GBdomer]

So Nico Falah can visit Oregon as USC commit but Redfield has to decommitt to visit? I have family around the Eugene area and are huge Duck fans and they love Chip Kelly but they say he just does things differently and now I understand.

 

[GBdomer]

One thing Oregon does better than anybody is find gems in California and I wish we did more of it. There are studs in Cali that are 3 stars that would be 4 stars in some states. Oregon has taken so many 3 stars from California and turned them into studs. Just wish we hit Cali harder.

But Whiskey I agree with everything you said but Oregon can recruit nationally as well as any one. They are not like USC and ND who can get anyone but Oregon takes kids from the East Coast and Midwest they have hit hard lately.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

But Whiskey I agree with everything you said but Oregon can recruit nationally as well as any one. They are not like USC and ND who can get anyone but Oregon takes kids from the East Coast and Midwest they have hit hard lately.

With the way they've been winning, I don't doubt that they could recruit nationally if they wanted to, but they simply aren't doing it yet. Check out UO's list of current commits. Out of 11 guys, 6 are from CA and 3 are from OR. They plucked a 4 RB out of TX and a K out of NC; that's it.

 

[GBdomer]

With the way they've been winning, I don't doubt that they could recruit nationally if they wanted to, but they simply aren't doing it yet. Check out UO's list of current commits. Out of 11 guys, 6 are from CA and 3 are from OR. They plucked a 4 RB out of TX and a K out of NC; that's it.

Oregon always closes well they really don't start recruiting and handing out offers from a while. I am just saying they have taken a lot of kids from big time programs. Jake Fisher, Chrstian French, Tacoi Sumler, Dior Mathis, Bralon Addison(loved him), Dwayne Stanford from Buckeye country, Anthony Wallace had a Texas offer from a feder school in Texas at Dallas Skyline.

 

[NDdomer2]

One thing Oregon does better than anybody is find gems in California and I wish we did more of it. There are studs in Cali that are 3 stars that would be 4 stars in some states. Oregon has taken so many 3 stars from California and turned them into studs. Just wish we hit Cali harder.

But Whiskey I agree with everything you said but Oregon can recruit nationally as well as any one. They are not like USC and ND who can get anyone but Oregon takes kids from the East Coast and Midwest they have hit hard lately.

Yes there are Alot if high quality 3 star guys in states like California and Florida but are they academically ready for ND? Oregon has a luxury there that we don't.

 

[GBdomer]

Yes there are Alot if high quality 3 star guys in states like California and Florida but are they academically ready for ND? Oregon has a luxury there that we don't.

Sure why wouldn't they be? Not all 4,5 star kids are smart ones.