'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[NDohio]

Yeah, he will never wear the Blue and Gold of ND. Too bad. He will be a great player. Time to start recruiting a DL for next year's class. This is a big hole to fill. Next Man In!

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[peoriairish]

To piggyback IrishLax... Everyone must remember that EV is from Auburn, CA. He's not one of the OC kids. Auburn is 6 hours northeast of UCLA and is in the mountains of CA. He is used to the seasons and shitsy winter weather South Bend receives. That's not the reason for this.

 

[IrishLax]

4 five stars players in a calendar year? Cool.

 

[peoriairish]

4 five stars players in a calendar year? Cool.

3 in 2 months (Kiel, Neal, EV).

 

[irishog77]

I want him at ND but that just frees up space to pick up someone else this cycle. Probably says a lot for the recent PWO.

Huh?

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Huh?

Preferred walk-on from Arkansas.

 

[peoriairish]

Maybe he saw the progression of the DL and realized he could never play with that high of skill...

 

[Irishnuke]

Big deal. Next man in, and don't forget the staff got him to sign in the first place. You don't think they can get elite talent? Tell that to Tuitt, Nix, et cetera.

They seem to have no problem losing elite talent either. But hey, let's act all tough and pretend this isn't an ongoing problem.

 

[irishpat183]

Losing five star defensive talent every year is getting too commonplace and is getting old.

4 five stars players in a calendar year? Cool.

3 in 2 months (Kiel, Neal, EV).

Admiral...see above.


Getting the kid to commit is only half the battle (insert GI Joe theme)...you have to get them to stay and buy in. Which Kelly isn't doing a good job of with, seemingly, the blue chippers.

I wonder what the issue is? Kelly's ego? I mean, we can only blame the recruit so many times before you have to look within.

 

[irishpat183]

They seem to have no problem losing elite talent either. But hey, let's act all tough and pretend this isn't an ongoing problem.

Exactly.

 

[Wild Bill]

It's a problem. And it's magnified, in part, b/c we can't go to a JUCO for a quick fix.

 

[goldandblue]

Admiral...see above.


Getting the kid to commit is only half the battle (insert GI Joe theme)...you have to get them to stay and buy in. Which Kelly isn't doing a good job of with, seemingly, the blue chippers.

I wonder what the issue is? Kelly's ego? I mean, we can only blame the recruit so many times before you have to look within.

Hang on there.

Gunner Kiel - Left because he wants to play not because Kelly

Tee Shepard - Kelly did an amazing job getting him on campus to begin with. Kid just does not have what it takes to be a student athlete much of anywhere much less ND.

Neal had a baby and wanted to go home

I have yet to see how any of these are Kelly's or the staffs fault. If Kelly is at fault for any of the 3 above, he should have never allowed Tee Shepard to come on campus.

 

[Kingbish01]

After all this, I've decided to never stop what I'm doing in my life and rush to tune in for some high school football player to announce. I did it for EV, I did it for Fitts, I did it for Neal, I sat on IE and smashed the refresh button for Tuitt and Lynch. I'm done! I'm just going to get back to the way it was a few years ago, and that is get in front of a television every Saturday in the fall and go for the ND ride. This offseason $h!T is for the birds!

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Hang on there.

Gunner Kiel - Left because he wants to play not because Kelly

Tee Shepard - Kelly did an amazing job getting him on campus to begin with. Kid just does not have what it takes to be a student athlete much of anywhere much less ND.

Neal had a baby and wanted to go home

I have yet to see how any of these are Kelly's or the staffs fault. If Kelly is at fault for any of the 3 above, he should have never allowed Tee Shepard to come on campus.

Yuuuuup.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I don't understand what you guys think Kelly and the staff is doing wrong here. It's obviously disturbing that talent is leaving but I don't know why there is this reaction against Kelly.

 

[NDohio]

Admiral...see above.


Getting the kid to commit is only half the battle (insert GI Joe theme)...you have to get them to stay and buy in. Which Kelly isn't doing a good job of with, seemingly, the blue chippers.

I wonder what the issue is? Kelly's ego? I mean, we can only blame the recruit so many times before you have to look within.

EV never stepped foot on campus.

Gunner couldn't win the job.

Neal had a child he wants to be close to.

Lynch, well he was Lynch - LOL.

Edit: goldandblue beat me to it.

 

[jerboski]

I don't understand what you guys think Kelly and the staff is doing wrong here. It's obviously disturbing that talent is leaving but I don't know why there is this reaction against Kelly.

They have to find someone to blame, no matter how wrong they are.

 

[irishpat183]

Hang on there.

Gunner Kiel - Left because he wants to play not because Kelly

Tee Shepard - Kelly did an amazing job getting him on campus to begin with. Kid just does not have what it takes to be a student athlete much of anywhere much less ND.

Neal had a baby and wanted to go home

I have yet to see how any of these are Kelly's or the staffs fault. If Kelly is at fault for any of the 3 above, he should have never allowed Tee Shepard to come on campus.

Again...all of those guys had insane recrutments. The writing was on the wall. And I'm not saying it's ALL Kelly's fault...but at this point, what's the common denominator?

While it's nice to defend Kelly until he eventually takes a job in the NFL, you have to admit he's done a **** poor job keeping high caliber guys on the roster once they get here.

Whether he is a poor judge of character from the begining, or he is hard to play for.

Any other schools seeing this kind of defection of 5 star guys? (wondering) Any COACH seeing this?

 

[Irishnuke]

I'm not blaming Kelly. I don't know what the problem is, but its clear that there is one.

 

[Emcee77]

I don't understand what you guys think Kelly and the staff is doing wrong here. It's obviously disturbing that talent is leaving but I don't know why there is this reaction against Kelly.

This. I'm also not convinced that this doesn't happen at other schools. I don't follow recruiting outside of ND closely enough to be able to think of examples, but things like 1) a player having a kid he wants to be closer to (Neal) or 2) a player deciding at the last moment that he wants to be closer to home (EV, apparently) must happen to other schools too, right? ... oh, Christ, of course they do ... that's how we got Kiel in the first place, when he ditched LSU for ND to be closer to home!

This doesn't strike me as a ND-specific problem. It's just a reminder of why quality depth is so important.

 

[PANDFAN]

Hang on there.

Gunner Kiel - Left because he wants to play not because Kelly
reality: kelly measured his chest and confirmed what les already knew..Keil got pissed that everyone was looking at his small ginger chest and never looked back

Tee Shepard - Kelly did an amazing job getting him on campus to begin with. Kid just does not have what it takes to be a student athlete much of anywhere much less ND.
reality: kelly gave him a 11pm curfew but Tee wasn't smart enough to lay off twitter and facebook after that asking if anyone was up and wanted to chat at 3am in the morning
Neal had a baby and wanted to go home
reality: when on the maury show and the test revealed....BK you are not the father....davonte was happy the affair was over and moved to with her and the baby
Aaron Lynch--we all know the story the media spun but here is what really happened
reality: Tate Nichols beat him in a spring drill and said get used to it....it's how marriage feels...and well we know what happened next...he got married...kind of like the ol saying...don't touch the paint it's wet.....he touched the paint
I have yet to see how any of these are Kelly's or the staffs fault. If Kelly is at fault for any of the 3 above, he should have never allowed Tee Shepard to come on campus.

i fixed it for you!!! 3/4 were on BK

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not blaming Kelly. I don't know what the problem is, but its clear that there is one.

It's pretty obvious to me it has to do with the actual character of the kid being recruited. This might seem like a localized problem to ND, but it's more of an issue with 5 star not having his head on straight syndrome and has plagued other schools too. Look at USC's class that had Dillon Baxter... Had something like 4 or 5 five star players sign LOIs and think all but one ended up not with the program.

The way you account for this attrition is JUCOs and oversigning. We do neither, so sucks to be us.

 

[Damion704]

Whats next? Jaylon Smith leaving right before kickoff? Wtf man. lol

 

[PANDFAN]

It's pretty obvious to me it has to do with the actual character of the kid being recruited. This might seem like a localized problem to ND, but it's more of an issue with 5 star not having his head on straight syndrome and has plagued other schools too. Look at USC's class that had Dillon Baxter... Had something like 4 or 5 five star players sign LOIs and think all but one ended up not with the program.

The way you account for this attrition is JUCOs and oversigning. We do neither, so sucks to be us.

it's crazy and we buy into it by even caring about this thread...but here was something i read this morning that basically says exactly what you are saying
Worshipping phenoms like Andrew Wiggins sets them up for failure - College Basketball News | FOX Sports on MSN

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah it was the 2010 USC class. Five 5 star players, only Robert Woods stuck with the program.

 

[NDohio]

Again...all of those guys had insane recrutments. The writing was on the wall. And I'm not saying it's ALL Kelly's fault...but at this point, what's the common denominator?

So if the recruitment gets a little insane or a recruit seems to have some second thoughts we should just back away? Good-bye Folston.

While it's nice to defend Kelly until he eventually takes a job in the NFL, you have to admit he's done a **** poor job keeping high caliber guys on the roster once they get here.

There are a LOT of high caliber guys on this roster. Too many to sit here and list them all.

Whether he is a poor judge of character from the begining, or he is hard to play for.

Any other schools seeing this kind of defection of 5 star guys? (wondering) Any COACH seeing this?

We follow ND recruiting more closely than any other team's recruiting. I am certain that this happens to other teams.

In fact an entire industry is made up of people following the ever-changing minds of 18-22 year old kids.

Some kids even get tatoos of their school of choice then change their minds and go to the rival!!

 

[goldandblue]

Again...all of those guys had insane recrutments. The writing was on the wall. And I'm not saying it's ALL Kelly's fault...but at this point, what's the common denominator?

So we are not supposed to take any highly rated kid that decommits from another school and commits to ours?? Bye Stephon Tuitt...

While it's nice to defend Kelly until he eventually takes a job in the NFL, you have to admit he's done a **** poor job keeping high caliber guys on the roster once they get here. Whether he is a poor judge of character from the begining, or he is hard to play for.

4 kids in 4 years? not to mention, your basing your assessment of "high caliber" kids recruiting services. What production have the had for ND minus Aaron Lynch?

Any other schools seeing this kind of defection of 5 star guys? (wondering) Any COACH seeing this?

Most schools don't get 5 star talent to begin with. 9x% of the schools don't have the academic rigors that ND has. Kids are not as committed to working their asses of in school and not getting playing time. Also, several schools send kids packing and replace them with the next kid in line that can produce for the football team. I.E. you don't hear about it...

IrishPat I usually agree with you on most subjects. Take a deep breath and realize that our coach that just took us to the National title game with absolutely 0 impact from any of the previously mentioned players.

 

[goldandblue]

DAMN NDOHIO... That is scary... LOL!

 

[NDohio]

DAMN NDOHIO... That is scary... LOL!

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