'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[Kanye West]

He's gonna have some great 8 win seasons and Holiday Bowl births at UCLA

 

[FearTheBeard]

I may sounds like a jacka$$ but i wouldnt let him go to UCLA. With what theyve been putting together they could turn into a real good team, i wouldnt want to have to play against him in a bowl later on, and thats not considering how this situation may play out. Id only let him transfer to a small school that nobody really worries about. He may turn out to not be a very good player also but IMO i just dont like this situation and wouldnt let it slide that easy

 

[Kanye West]

Florida State made Matthew Thomas wait, we can too.

 

[NDPhilly]

I honestly don't care how ND is perceived. Block UCLA. If he wants to be close to home go to Cal.

 

[SouthernComfort]

Im calling serious, serious BS on the undisclosed "personal reason" excuse. If it is a legit reason, provide the documentation. Old man have heart problems? Lets see the doctors dpcumentation. Too personal? So is screwing a team over last second who could have signed another person in your place but passed based on your word.

It is like your prom date ditching you the day of the prom then stopping to help her change her tire two weeks later when she is on the side of the road. Heck no! You slow down, wave at her and speed on by. You might even look for a mudpuddle.

Make ND look bad? Seriously? Like 1/2 the nation hates ND and the other 1/2 loves ND. One kids LOI wont change that

 

[Luckylucci]

So assuming progresses in the direction its headed (EV not at ND), how many scholarship players do we have on the team?

 

[fitz_bu47]

Honestly, I'm over it. Let him do what he wants. By that I DO NOT mean let him out of his letter. If he is willing to give up a year of eligibility to go to UCLA more power to him. There are a lot bigger events in the world, the tragedy in Oklahoma yesterday helped me get some perspective on this. I will cheer for ND every Saturday, and love it, but not gonna spend one more second of my life worrying about what kids like this one are gonna do. Don't wish him bad things, I just think he (and a lot of others) are a depressing microcosm of what a large portion of our society has become. All about me, easiest road, no commitment to their commitments. etc. etc.

 

[Rambler09]

These are the times I'm glad we have Jack Swarbrick on our side. He'll figure out the right thing to do here.

 

[GBdomer]

UCLA is a pretty good school in terms of a degree so if he had academic issues wouldn't it be the same there?

I don't mean to sound like a dick and its not coming out towards you but it's not a flipping academic issue that this is all about. I was told multiple times it wasn't. His grades were fine and set to enroll.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

These are the times I'm glad we have Jack Swarbrick on our side. He'll figure out the right thing to do here.

Savvy Jack.

 

[STLDomer]

I honestly don't care how ND is perceived. Block UCLA. If he wants to be close to home go to Cal.

THIS X INFINITY

 

[Kanye West]

I don't mean to sound like a dick and its not coming out towards you but it's not a flipping academic issue that this is all about. I was told multiple times it wasn't

So he has a change of heart, either he got home sick (why is he going to UCLA? Maybe to play with Kylie?) or some tampering occured. Again Shell leaves for UCLA for really no reason, when he has a child in Pitt and now this something is up .

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Usually give BK and the staff the benefit of the doubt however this trend is out of control. How many 5/4 star recruits have bailed....? EV, DG, TS, AL, GK, DN....wtf!

 

[irishpat183]

Usually give BK and the staff the benefit of the doubt however this trend is out of control. How many 5/4 star recruits have bailed....? EV, DG, TS, AL, GK, DN....wtf!

Silence! Kelly's minions will come after you! Do not question Brian Kelly or his obvious problems in recruiting!


I agree. It's a trend. And it's not all because these kids are all home sick. And if it is...then Kelly shoudl've seen it coming and used a different tatic.

Or somethiing. Hell. It needs to stop.

 

[Ironman8]

Usually give BK and the staff the benefit of the doubt however this trend is out of control. How many 5/4 star recruits have bailed....? EV, DG, TS, AL, GK, DN....wtf!

DG and TS did not fulfill their academic requirements to play at ND.

AL tried to come back and the staff had had enough (headcase)

GK didn't want to sit behind our star QB with 3 more years of eligibility, and the highest profile school that wanted him was Cincy.

DN did not bail. He did not want to leave ND.

You recruit studs with fringe grades / lacking guidance / lacking moral fiber and this is what can happen. I honestly don't know how BK can be blamed for any of the above. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

 

[GoIrish41]

DG and TS did not fulfill their academic requirements to play at ND.

AL tried to come back and the staff had had enough (headcase)

GK didn't want to sit behind our star QB with 3 more years of eligibility, and the highest profile school that wanted him was Cincy.

DN did not bail. He did not want to leave ND.

You recruit studs with fringe grades / lacking guidance / lacking moral fiber and this is what can happen. I honestly don't know how BK can be blamed for any of the above. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Do we know any of this is true for EV ... or any of the other players that left, for that matter? I haven't followed nearly as closely over the past year or so as I did in the past. Thanks.

 

[Kanye West]

Silence! Kelly's minions will come after you! Do not question Brian Kelly or his obvious problems in recruiting!


I agree. It's a trend. And it's not all because these kids are all home sick. And if it is...then Kelly shoudl've seen it coming and used a different tatic.

Or somethiing. Hell. It needs to stop.

Even without EV this was a top 7 recruiting class and this one may be just as good or if not better. He just freaking went 12-1, and has had players that were not expected to contribute early. We lost TS so what? KR did as well for a Frosh corner as Tee would have done. While it does suck that we could have had more talent, compared to the CW era where losing EV would dismantle our class, we still have Rochell, Matsuaka, and Smith to fall back on.

 

[Luckylucci]

So Jack Brown of II said the following that makes sense. There isn't an issue keeping him from enrolling at ND but there was friction between both parties that once resolved, left a gulf between the two parties.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

So Jack Brown of II said the following that makes sense. There isn't an issue keeping him from enrolling at ND but there was friction between both parties that once resolved, left a gulf between the two parties.

That just makes me more confused..

 

[GoIrish41]

All I can say is EV better man up and get to South Bend before I have to go out to Cali and slap him around a little.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

This reminds me of Omar Hunter.

 

[Ironman8]

Do we know any of this is true for EV ... or any of the other players that left, for that matter? I haven't followed nearly as closely over the past year or so as I did in the past. Thanks.

I don't think EV is like any of the things above exactly, but then again no one really knows the situation right now. Could be lacking guidance, but I have no idea. I don't know if it's his dad pulling him to UCLA, or he simply wants to be there, or if there is another issue.

We'll have to wait and see. My only point is, while disappointing, these transfers / decommits noted are really out of BK's control. If a kid makes a messes up or simply doesn't want to do what is necessary to be at / stay at ND, that's not on BK, it's on the kid.

 

[irishpat183]

Even without EV this was a top 7 recruiting class and this one may be just as good or if not better. He just freaking went 12-1, and has had players that were not expected to contribute early. We lost TS so what? KR did as well for a Frosh corner as Tee would have done. While it does suck that we could have had more talent, compared to the CW era where losing EV would dismantle our class, we still have Rochell, Matsuaka, and Smith to fall back on.

12 and 1.

It's the "1" that gets me. Because we didn't show up and it's obciously we cannot compete with the SEC yet on the athletic side. Guys like EV, give you that edge.

And the team we lost too?? They don't lose guys like this like we have lately. If you want to compete with the SEC brand of football (or at least the cream of the crop) you have to keep guys like this.

And those guys don't compare to EV. Sorry. You can give me the ND goggles all you want on those three, but EV is an absolute beast with a mean streak.

Do we have a great team? Yes. And we have some great talent. But if anything, the Bama game just proved to me that we have a long way to go, and guys like EV are the answer.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

DG and TS did not fulfill their academic requirements to play at ND.

AL tried to come back and the staff had had enough (headcase)

GK didn't want to sit behind our star QB with 3 more years of eligibility, and the highest profile school that wanted him was Cincy.

DN did not bail. He did not want to leave ND.

You recruit studs with fringe grades / lacking guidance / lacking moral fiber and this is what can happen. I honestly don't know how BK can be blamed for any of the above. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

This.

 

[Luckylucci]

That just makes me more confused..

Personally, I think Eddie V woke up one morning and realized that he doesn't have his big boy pants on yet and going to the midwest for college was too much for him so he grasped to anything for an excuse not to follow through on his NLI. With that said. It sounds like something with admissions/academics got messed up (whether it be minor or major), once it got resolved there was a rift in the relationship between both parties. However, all of that takes time and there is way too much out there saying this has been in the works since right after he signed his LOI.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't think EV is like any of the things above exactly, but then again no one really knows the situation right now. Could be lacking guidance, but I have no idea. I don't know if it's his dad pulling him to UCLA, or he simply wants to be there, or if there is another issue.

We'll have to wait and see. My only point is, while disappointing, these transfers / decommits noted are really out of BK's control. If a kid makes a messes up or simply doesn't want to do what is necessary to be at / stay at ND, that's not on BK, it's on the kid.

Thanks. I agree. Kids have basically a year and a half to make a choice. UCLA was his third choice by all accounts and now he wants to go there AFTER making a binding commitment? Teenagers ...

 

[Ironman8]

12 and 1.

It's the "1" that gets me. Because we didn't show up and it's obciously we cannot compete with the SEC yet on the athletic side. Guys like EV, give you that edge.

And the team we lost too?? They don't lose guys like this like we have lately. If you want to compete with the SEC brand of football (or at least the cream of the crop) you have to keep guys like this.

And those guys don't compare to EV. Sorry. You can give me the ND goggles all you want on those three, but EV is an absolute beast with a mean streak.

Do we have a great team? Yes. And we have some great talent. But if anything, the Bama game just proved to me that we have a long way to go, and guys like EV are the answer.

EV committed to ND over Bama. That is not a "loss" for them?

Further, we have seen kids have to leave ND for academic or Res Life reasons that almost assuredly would not force them out at a school like Bama. Hard to compare the two when the circumstances / consequences of actions are so different.

 

[Irish YJ]

DG and TS did not fulfill their academic requirements to play at ND.

AL tried to come back and the staff had had enough (headcase)

GK didn't want to sit behind our star QB with 3 more years of eligibility, and the highest profile school that wanted him was Cincy.

DN did not bail. He did not want to leave ND.

You recruit studs with fringe grades / lacking guidance / lacking moral fiber and this is what can happen. I honestly don't know how BK can be blamed for any of the above. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

who is AL? brain freeze

Never mind.... I've tried to block Lynch out of my mind.... Didn't know he tried to come back.

 

[irishpat183]

I don't think EV is like any of the things above exactly, but then again no one really knows the situation right now. Could be lacking guidance, but I have no idea. I don't know if it's his dad pulling him to UCLA, or he simply wants to be there, or if there is another issue.

We'll have to wait and see. My only point is, while disappointing, these transfers / decommits noted are really out of BK's control. If a kid makes a messes up or simply doesn't want to do what is necessary to be at / stay at ND, that's not on BK, it's on the kid.

...but this many over the course of the last couple of years? And BK's hands are clean?


I'm not buying it. And as much as you may disagree, I put Anazalone squarely on BK and his a$$hole shuffle with the Eagles early in the year.

I get that kids leave for dumb reasons. I really do. But there is something missing here.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Honestly, I'm over it. Let him do what he wants. By that I DO NOT mean let him out of his letter. If he is willing to give up a year of eligibility to go to UCLA more power to him. There are a lot bigger events in the world, the tragedy in Oklahoma yesterday helped me get some perspective on this. I will cheer for ND every Saturday, and love it, but not gonna spend one more second of my life worrying about what kids like this one are gonna do. Don't wish him bad things, I just think he (and a lot of others) are a depressing microcosm of what a large portion of our society has become. All about me, easiest road, no commitment to their commitments. etc. etc.

Amen! Great post!