'12 NY DT Jarron Jones (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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Doesn't shock me one freaking bit. ND will be fine without him

"Those two games you mentioned - the Florida State one and the Miami one - those will not go unnoticed. An NFL front office man will fall in love with the tape from one or both of those games and say, 'We need to take a risk on this guy.'

"I'm not saying it won't work out. But just reading everything coming out there right now - which echoes everything we heard while he was at Notre Dame - the anonymous quote from an NFC director of scouting on NFL.com right now says, 'He's a character flag for us. He's talented but I just don't think he loves the game enough for me to back him in our room. Who doesn't love those long arms? We all do, but I think he's lazy and will head south as soon as he has more time and money on his hands.'

"And when you go up to weaknesses, kind of the same thing: Scouts consider him unmotivated and question his football character. Doesn't treat offseason as a time to get better. Sources say Irish coaches had to work overtime to keep him interested and working to get better.

"I did notice a much more mature Jarron Jones in interviews from his first year at Notre Dame to the end of his last year, especially on Senior Day. But let’s not beat around the bush here. He did not play - was it Navy or Army? They all kind of blend together for me right now. But the Navy game, I think, he barely played because he doesn’t like playing option teams. For me, that’s a red flag. When you have guys like Isaac Rochell and other people on defense busting their butts on a 4-8 team and you have a fifth-year senior who doesn’t want to play because he’s afraid to get hurt, that’s the stuff that red flags are made of. That’s going to be a fire alarm for a lot of people looking at the tape and looking at his situation.

“He was, by all accounts - and I was sent a photo from someone who was there that night - he was at The Linebacker the night Devin Butler got arrested and was not exactly acting like an angel himself. He had to have some closed door meetings with Irish coaches about that over that weekend. He was described to me going into this season as a cancer on the team by a teammate of his. I'm just - as you said, the Florida State and Miami games, he looked amazing. He looked like a guy who is going to be a very successful NFL player. He's just going to need to change a lot about himself the other six days of the week and really the other nine months of the year based on everything I’ve been told to make this work as a professional football player."

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Doesn't shock me one freaking bit. ND is better off without him

"Those two games you mentioned - the Florida State one and the Miami one - those will not go unnoticed. An NFL front office man will fall in love with the tape from one or both of those games and say, 'We need to take a risk on this guy.'

"I'm not saying it won't work out. But just reading everything coming out there right now - which echoes everything we heard while he was at Notre Dame - the anonymous quote from an NFC director of scouting on NFL.com right now says, 'He's a character flag for us. He's talented but I just don't think he loves the game enough for me to back him in our room. Who doesn't love those long arms? We all do, but I think he's lazy and will head south as soon as he has more time and money on his hands.'

"And when you go up to weaknesses, kind of the same thing: Scouts consider him unmotivated and question his football character. Doesn't treat offseason as a time to get better. Sources say Irish coaches had to work overtime to keep him interested and working to get better.

"I did notice a much more mature Jarron Jones in interviews from his first year at Notre Dame to the end of his last year, especially on Senior Day. But let’s not beat around the bush here. He did not play - was it Navy or Army? They all kind of blend together for me right now. But the Navy game, I think, he barely played because he doesn’t like playing option teams. For me, that’s a red flag. When you have guys like Isaac Rochell and other people on defense busting their butts on a 4-8 team and you have a fifth-year senior who doesn’t want to play because he’s afraid to get hurt, that’s the stuff that red flags are made of. That’s going to be a fire alarm for a lot of people looking at the tape and looking at his situation.

“He was, by all accounts - and I was sent a photo from someone who was there that night - he was at The Linebacker the night Devin Butler got arrested and was not exactly acting like an angel himself. He had to have some closed door meetings with Irish coaches about that over that weekend. He was described to me going into this season as a cancer on the team by a teammate of his. I'm just - as you said, the Florida State and Miami games, he looked amazing. He looked like a guy who is going to be a very successful NFL player. He's just going to need to change a lot about himself the other six days of the week and really the other nine months of the year based on everything I’ve been told to make this work as a professional football player."



Where is this from.

You call yourself a fan. Yet you are knocking a kid who represented Notre Dame for 5 years. Weak sauce GB. Real weak. I find it hard to believe withnplayers like Max Redfield on the team, that people would call Jarron a cancer. This is a joke to me.

I will tell you this I will be routing hard for Jarron to be successful in the NFL and the rest of his life.

Side note. It's crazy that his brother is completely opposite as far as it goes to putting in work. Kid works his tail off.


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Where is this from.

You call yourself a fan. Yet you are knocking a kid who represented Notre Dame for 5 years. Weak sauce GB. Real weak. I find it hard to believe withnplayers like Max Redfield on the team, that people would call Jarron a cancer. This is a joke to me.

I will tell you this I will be routing hard for Jarron to be successful in the NFL and the rest of his life.

Side note. It's crazy that his brother is completely opposite as far as it goes to putting in work. Kid works his tail off.


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lol I am a fan a die hard fan just like you. I didn't write this article but it's not like what was wrote isn't true. I forgot to add Matt Fortuna wrote this article in my post above. Every player on this roster isn't an "RKG" or an angel. We are just like many programs in the country. Jarron off the fields instances troubled him for five years at ND. He was a wreck his first couple years and I'm honestly surprised he lasted as long as he did. Yet we appalled Louis Nix for being a ND man when he almost quit every year. I love Louis Nix and what he brought to this program because it was different but I'll honestly say he's one of the most overrated players in ND history. I'm sorry I'm not always a glass half full guy but I'll always speak my mind and what I think. I realize many will disagree and that's fine. Just like Nix we didn't get everything we had that Jarron Jones had to offer. It's not on the staffs fault for that like Nix it's on Jones. Do I think he was a cancer? No, but everything Fortuna brought up is legit. You know Jamir works his tail off how? I'm glad he's not like big bro

You questioning my fanhood is weak as shit Sherm. I'm just posting an article that was written and I agree with 90% of it. I'm sorry you disagree with it because Jarron "represented" ND for five years? I look at it like Jarron was here for five years and we got two games from him when we should have had five years of Jarron repping ND like you're supppse too. Guess what I've come to realize every ND player isn't going to be Joe Schmidt and I've accepted it so you should as well.

You wanna blame the staff for not getting the best out of their players like Nix, Lynch, Jones, Redfield, Bryant, Crist others? Were some of them overrated coming out of high school? Maybe but did we get the best out of them? Who knows?

Don't question my fanhood and call it weak.
 
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lol I am a fan a die hard fan just like you. I didn't write this article but it's not like what was wrote isn't true. I forgot to add Matt Fortuna wrote this article in my post above. Every player on this roster isn't an "RKG" or an angel. We are just like many programs in the country. Jarron off the fields instances troubled him for five years at ND. He was a wreck his first couple years and I'm honestly surprised he lasted as long as he did. Yet we appalled Louis Nix for being a ND man when he almost quit every year. I love Louis Nix and what he brought to this program because it was different but I'll honestly say he's one of the most overrated players in ND history. I'm sorry I'm not always a glass half full guy but I'll always speak my mind and what I think. I realize many will disagree and that's fine. Just like Nix we didn't get everything we had that Jarron Jones had to offer. It's not on the staffs fault for that like Nix it's on Jones. Do I think he was a cancer? No, but everything Fortuna brought up is legit. You know Jamir works his tail off how? I'm glad he's not like big bro

You questioning my fanhood is weak as shit Sherm. I'm just posting an article that was written and I agree with 90% of it. I'm sorry you disagree with it because Jarron "represented" ND for five years? I look at it like Jarron was here for five years and we got two games from him when we should have had five years of Jarron repping ND like you're supppse too. Guess what I've come to realize every ND player isn't going to be Joe Schmidt and I've accepted it so you should as well.

Don't question my fanhood and call it weak.

I don't think Sherm is disagreeing with everything or even anything in that article. I think he, like me, is uncomfortable with the general tone of it. If you think Jarron is a bad person, ok, I guess we need to disagree. I think Sherm would agree with me that Jarron is a young man that is benefiting from an ND education and everything that comes with that. These kids are not going to be perfect, and if we are honest, neither were we at that age.

This article is just a bit harsh and I'm sure many will agree with that.

I respect your knowledge and contributions but just think you are maybe missing Sherm's perspective a little bit.

I don't think there is a big beef here just a couple different perspectives that both deserve airing.
 

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I don't think Jarron is a bad pardon at all and I do think we greatly benefited going and getting his education at ND. Was he the best teammate in the world? No I think everyone knows that I'm just saying we didn't get everything from Jarron and was basically babysat for five years. Somehow he improved a ton from his freshman to senior season. But I do have a hard time with him not playing against Navy or Amry because he was looking out for himself. Don't get me started with the whole he wasn't a good fit defensively for the option. You think if Clemson was playing Navy Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins would be on the bench? Jarron is a second round talent with a 7th round heart.

This is where I wish Matt Balis was here all along because he would have pushed and motivated Jarron or he would have broke him. I have a hard time seeing Paul Longo motivating JJ
 
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'12 NY DT Jarron Jones (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

lol I am a fan a die hard fan just like you. I didn't write this article but it's not like what was wrote isn't true. I forgot to add Matt Fortuna wrote this article in my post above. Every player on this roster isn't an "RKG" or an angel. We are just like many programs in the country. Jarron off the fields instances troubled him for five years at ND. He was a wreck his first couple years and I'm honestly surprised he lasted as long as he did. Yet we appalled Louis Nix for being a ND man when he almost quit every year. I love Louis Nix and what he brought to this program because it was different but I'll honestly say he's one of the most overrated players in ND history. I'm sorry I'm not always a glass half full guy but I'll always speak my mind and what I think. I realize many will disagree and that's fine. Just like Nix we didn't get everything we had that Jarron Jones had to offer. It's not on the staffs fault for that like Nix it's on Jones. Do I think he was a cancer? No, but everything Fortuna brought up is legit. You know Jamir works his tail off how? I'm glad he's not like big bro

You questioning my fanhood is weak as shit Sherm. I'm just posting an article that was written and I agree with 90% of it. I'm sorry you disagree with it because Jarron "represented" ND for five years? I look at it like Jarron was here for five years and we got two games from him when we should have had five years of Jarron repping ND like you're supppse too. Guess what I've come to realize every ND player isn't going to be Joe Schmidt and I've accepted it so you should as well.

You wanna blame the staff for not getting the best out of their players like Nix, Lynch, Jones, Redfield, Bryant, Crist others? Were some of them overrated coming out of high school? Maybe but did we get the best out of them? Who knows? Always seems like Stanford brings them out and they work their ass off so who knows.

Don't question my fanhood and call it weak.



I don't agree with the article. I don't know how the author and the NFL scout can say he was a cancer to the team. And that he has character concerns, even though he has never gotten in trouble. The author putting him in a class like Tim Williams who has legit character concerns.

I wouldn't say he was a wreck his first couple of years. It was more he didn't know how to practice, because he never had to in high school. He came from a very small rural area of upstate NY. It has been documented many times that his high school coaches had Jarron go half speed during practice, because if he didn't he would have injured the rest of his teammates. The Notre Dame staff had to totally teach Jarron how to practice and put in effort, because of the bad habits he got from high school.

Believe it or not but Jarron worked his ass off in 2015 to come back from the MCL injury to play in the bowl game, where he deflected a pass that was intercepted.

I also don't agree that Jarron only had two good games in his career. He dominated the Nevada game this year and had a pick in the game. But I guess that was not good enough. He was the reason the Texas game went into overtime. But I guess that was not good enough.

I just think it's very poor writing for the author to state that Jones has character concerns, even though off the field he is a model citizen, and was a cancer in the team. I have not heard, read or seen one inkling that Jarron was a cancer till this article.

I know you didn't write the article, but you seem to be agreeing and supporting it.

I don't like that you states you are glad he is no longer at the University, since you don't know the young man and have probably never met him.

As for Jamir everything that I have read states that Jamir is extremely smart, picks up schemes quickly and is one of the hardest workers in the team and when he was in high school. Reviews of his work ethic at the Sempri game last year were of the charts positive. Jamir did everything for his high school football and basketball teams and both won state championships. Jamir played QB for his high school team because it gave them the best chance to win. That cost Jamir dearly in the scouting services rankings. Unselfish hard working young man.


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lol I am a fan a die hard fan just like you. I didn't write this article but it's not like what was wrote isn't true. I forgot to add Matt Fortuna wrote this article in my post above. Every player on this roster isn't an "RKG" or an angel. We are just like many programs in the country. Jarron off the fields instances troubled him for five years at ND. He was a wreck his first couple years and I'm honestly surprised he lasted as long as he did. Yet we appalled Louis Nix for being a ND man when he almost quit every year. I love Louis Nix and what he brought to this program because it was different but I'll honestly say he's one of the most overrated players in ND history. I'm sorry I'm not always a glass half full guy but I'll always speak my mind and what I think. I realize many will disagree and that's fine. Just like Nix we didn't get everything we had that Jarron Jones had to offer. It's not on the staffs fault for that like Nix it's on Jones. Do I think he was a cancer? No, but everything Fortuna brought up is legit. You know Jamir works his tail off how? I'm glad he's not like big bro

You questioning my fanhood is weak as shit Sherm. I'm just posting an article that was written and I agree with 90% of it. I'm sorry you disagree with it because Jarron "represented" ND for five years? I look at it like Jarron was here for five years and we got two games from him when we should have had five years of Jarron repping ND like you're supppse too. Guess what I've come to realize every ND player isn't going to be Joe Schmidt and I've accepted it so you should as well.

You wanna blame the staff for not getting the best out of their players like Nix, Lynch, Jones, Redfield, Bryant, Crist others? Were some of them overrated coming out of high school? Maybe but did we get the best out of them? Who knows?

Don't question my fanhood and call it weak.

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Sherm we are just going to have to disagree. If you don't think Jarron has concerns and off the field questions then I don't know what to tell you. They are very well documented and confirmed on every pay site. He was the reason we went to OT vs Texas? We gave up 45 points. Dominated Nevada? I don't know I know we dominated BYU, FSU and Miami. How many games was he a no show?

Yes, I agree with 90% of it and when did I support it? I'm not bragging about it I'm sorry this stuff has to come out.

It's not like the author made this stuff up or the scout is saying this because he was beef with Jarron. He has question marks and really it took him five years to learn how to practice? Model citizen off the field? No, he was very involved with devin butler that night.

I never said I'm glad he's not part of the program anymore I just said I don't think he will be missed. Me saying we are better off without him I didn't mean to say that right away. Needed to choose my words better.

I'm not going to change your mind and I'm sorry you disagree but this stuff has been confirmed and talked about for years.
 

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Lets not forget JJ dominated an incredibly porous Miami OL. He gets a lot of credit for what he did in that game, but that OL was one of the worst we faced all year. That said, I don't know Jarron personally, but I do think the presentation was a little harsh. Obviously he doesn't have the motor that a Sheldon Day had, and he had to fight back through a lot of injuries, but still a bit harsh in the criticism of his character I think. What's worse is the crap about Lou. Even Teo said he was the best NG in the country, he was great at what he did. Lou had his own injury issues, but nobody ate up blockers like he could in the 3-4. He and Manti were reasons #1 and #2 why that 2012 defense was so effective. Yeah, they played well as a unit, but you have to be strong at both NT and MLB in that formation, and we were. Lou was a good guy that loved the university, shame to throw him under the bus now that he's gone.
 
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I love Louis as a person and I think he truly understand what ND did for him. The guy committed to ND without a coach. But IMO he honestly truly had one great year in 2012 surrounded by NFL players. People complained of his play in 2013 but he was the best in the country? I think it's part of the reason we've never heard from him in an NFL game and just hear him popping around from practice squad to practice squad. I know Louis is a fan favorite so this won't be a popular opinion but it's mine. Alabama game lost him a shot at the first round and he was dominated in that game just like our team. But for a guy who was suppose to be the best DT in the country he was just another guy.

Once again I have no problem with Louis and love that he stuck it out and his teammates loved him and he is loved by ND. I'm just pointing out like JJ I don't feel like we always got the best effort and everything Louis could have given us as a FOOTBALL player. He doesn't owe me anything so please don't make it seem like I hate the guy and am bashing him as a person.
 

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'12 NY DT Jarron Jones (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

Alabama game lost him a shot at the first round and he was dominated in that game just like our team. But for a guy who was suppose to be the best DT in the country he was just another guy. .



This is actually not true. I was at the game, and more than one Bama fan afterwards said they were very impressed with him (not so much anyone else), and even a writer said after the game on Twitter Nix was "the only defender he's ever seen put Chance Warmack on skates. He's as advertised."

His individual performance in that game was much better than you may think. Sure the team fell completely flat, but he solidified his status if anything, and would have 100% been a first rounder if he came out.


That's not kool-aid, that's reality.
 
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This is actually not true. I was at the game, and more than one Bama fan afterwards said they were very impressed with him (not so much anyone else), and even a writer said after the game on Twitter Nix was "the only defender he's ever seen put Chance Warmack on skates. He's as advertised."

His individual performance in that game was much better than you may think. Sure the team fell completely flat, but he solidified his status if anything, and would have 100% been a first rounder if he came out.


That's not kool-aid, that's reality.

I think I also remember a comment he made after the game. A reporter asked him something like "why was Alabama able to dominate the defense so much" and he responded something similar to "show me a play were I was dominated and I'll answer it"

Obviously those aren't exact quotes because my memory doesn't go back 5 years to specific quotes, but he said something around those lines.
 

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Idk if anyone made this comparison but I think the season Romeo okwara had bodes well for Jones. Romeo had quite an underwhelming career in college which we can agree or disagree on similar to Jones, but there were bright spots. I can see Jones having similar success in the NFL with proper coaching because it's obvious that the potential is there.
 
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Last in jumping.... third from last in 40....hmmmm. He says he is a second round pick. He may not get drafted.
 
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He has great physical traits. Maybe a paycheck will set a fire under him and get him motivated.
 

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Long arms = bad bench numbers

No doubt, however 22 is still rather disappointing and far below average for a D lineman, especially a NT. He should have never been playing the nose at ND, but he's simply got to be stronger. Was it Longo, his own lack of fire, a combination of both?
 

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He'll make a training camp roster regardless because of size/potential. He definitely looked less impressive than a lot of the other DL that participated.


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He measured in with the longest wingspan at the combine! Anyone with half a brain knows guys with longer arms do less reps on bench press.

And it has been mentioned repeatedly he will not play NT and most likely won't play DT in the NFL. Teams want him as a 5 technique.

And he will be drafted 2nd to 3rd round. Probably more like the 3rd


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He measured in with the longest wingspan at the combine! Anyone with half a brain knows guys with longer arms do less reps on bench press.

And it has been mentioned repeatedly he will not play NT and most likely won't play DT in the NFL. Teams want him as a 5 technique.

And he will be drafted 2nd to 3rd round. Probably more like the 3rd


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I feel like i see this type of post every year around draft time and every year it never fails to be wrong.
 

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He's a 2nd or 3rd round talent who will likely be drafted later than that. His lack of passion for the game will scare off a lot of teams. And by the way the most important part of the combine for Jones were the interviews. I'd be curious to know how those went.
 
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Ok let's have a wager


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You honestly think Jarron Jones is a second or third round pick? Based off what three great games in four years? He's unmotivated and already went into my thoughts on him. But if no one takes that Wager I for sure will
 
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