'12 NY DT Jarron Jones (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[PLACforever]

Barely saw him out there. Any idea why?

Because Kelly is a terrible coach and probably didn't think of moving him to End for a game against a triple option team

 

[tko]

Because Kelly is a terrible coach and probably didn't think of moving him to End for a game against a triple option team

Correct. Why attempt something different like utilizing his massive wingspan? Kelly has run his course, but like in typical ND fashion, they will ride the horse longer than necessary. Who is the next player to decommit?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

He didn't get many reps, but I also don't see any type of difference it would have made if he got 10 more snaps. The game was on perimeter. Notre Dame wasn't getting gashed up the middle, which against the triple-option, means the interior of the DL was doing a great job.

Jarron is good at blowing up the middle and getting up field. Against the triple-option, you don't necessarily want that to happen, as Navy will take advantage of that.

Tillery/Rochell weren't fatigued either, so I don't see an issue with the reps Jones got yesterday.

 

[Luckylucci]

He didn't get many reps, but I also don't see any type of difference it would have made if he got 10 more snaps. The game was on perimeter. Notre Dame wasn't getting gashed up the middle, which against the triple-option, means the interior of the DL was doing a great job.

Jarron is good at blowing up the middle and getting up field. Against the triple-option, you don't necessarily want that to happen, as Navy will take advantage of that.

Tillery/Rochell weren't fatigued either, so I don't see an issue with the reps Jones got yesterday.

I agree. This is another instance where we just criticize everything out of frustration, whether it's valid or not.

I haven't went back and watched again, but the only real benefit might have been pressure up the middle on some of the passes. But those are so few and far between, it's tough to substitute around that.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree. This is another instance where we just criticize everything out of frustration, whether it's valid or not.

I haven't went back and watched again, but the only real benefit might have been pressure up the middle on some of the passes. But those are so few and far between, it's tough to substitute around that.

Yeah. I figured it was intentional, and Navy didn't run much up the middle on us, so we were effective. And I did see him in there on an obvious passing down or two.
I just wonder if Jones might have been able to penetrate fast enough to blow up a couple of plays before they got to the perimeter.
It feels yesterday like we suffered from a distinct lack of playmakers on our defense. Guys who can singlehandedly send an offense backward. Against Navy they're most valuable on the perimeter, but I'll take them where I can get them and Jones is one of the few all season who has demonstrated that sort of ability.

 

[TheChosen1]

Not that this is a shock to anyone who follows ND football. His mom is tweeting that she is thankful that Coach Kelly put safety first in playing her son.

Apparently other players safety isn't as important.

 

[stlnd01]

Not that this is a shock to anyone who follows ND football. His mom is tweeting that she is thankful that Coach Kelly put safety first in playing her son.

Apparently other players safety isn't as important.

Mom's tweets were a little hard to interpret. But given Jarron's history of knee injuries, Navy's history of inflicting knee injuries, and his status as a fifth year senior who's finally healthy and playing for draft grades, I wouldn't be too upset if they decided to protect him. Not sure I entirely agree with it, but I can understand the thinking.

Also you could argue he'll do us far more good healthy against Va Tech and USC than he would getting hurt against Navy.

 

[dad4aa]

Mom's tweets were a little hard to interpret. But given Jarron's history of knee injuries, Navy's history of inflicting knee injuries, and his status as a fifth year senior who's finally healthy and playing for draft grades, I wouldn't be too upset if they decided to protect him. Not sure I entirely agree with it, but I can understand the thinking.

Also you could argue he'll do us far more good healthy against Va Tech and USC than he would getting hurt against Navy.

Agree with this

 

[NDRock]

 

[IrishLax]

Not that this is a shock to anyone who follows ND football. His mom is tweeting that she is thankful that Coach Kelly put safety first in playing her son.

Apparently other players safety isn't as important.

Mom's tweets were a little hard to interpret. But given Jarron's history of knee injuries, Navy's history of inflicting knee injuries, and his status as a fifth year senior who's finally healthy and playing for draft grades, I wouldn't be too upset if they decided to protect him. Not sure I entirely agree with it, but I can understand the thinking.

Also you could argue he'll do us far more good healthy against Va Tech and USC than he would getting hurt against Navy.

Agreed, with his injury history they're certainly doing right by him holding him out of these games.

 

[Irish#1]

Not that this is a shock to anyone who follows ND football. His mom is tweeting that she is thankful that Coach Kelly put safety first in playing her son.

Apparently other players safety isn't as important.

Eli Apple's mom would have been hammering BK for not playing her son!

 

[PLACforever]

I agree. This is another instance where we just criticize everything out of frustration, whether it's valid or not.

I haven't went back and watched again, but the only real benefit might have been pressure up the middle on some of the passes. But those are so few and far between, it's tough to substitute around that.

*Not trying to start shit but.....

My comment about Kelly not thinking about playing JJ at DE was not out of frustration. Sure, I'm certainly frustrated, but after the game he had against Miami, the fact that he played two series (the only two stops lol) and the fact that the game ended in a loss are proof enough to me that he has fallen off and now is out of his depth.

"Irish Illustrated on Twitter: "Jarron Jones played 2 series (12 snaps). One ended in a 4th down stop. Other ended in a punt (& illegal sub). ND’s only 2 stops in the game."" via Bleacher Report by Bleacher Report

https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/795663994606538752

 

[ulukinatme]

Not that this is a shock to anyone who follows ND football. His mom is tweeting that she is thankful that Coach Kelly put safety first in playing her son.

Apparently other players safety isn't as important.

I know some people have already responded to this, but at the end of the day you have to put somebody out there. In the past we've often gone to our lesser used DL roster for Navy games. Nobody wants an injury, but some things are better not left to chance when you're talking certain players. You don't leave a starting quarterback in the game when the game is well in hand, for instance. Should Jarron have played more snaps Saturday? Maybe, but as others have mentioned he's already had history with knee injuries and sure couldn't use another. I think it was the right time to utilize some other DL bodies to see what they could do. It would have been nice to get some more stops, but we can't change that now. I'm sure Jarron has aspirations to get to the NFL and help his family out, that's harder to do if he's nursing another knee injury going into the Draft. Some things are more important than winning.

 

[Irish#1]

I know some people have already responded to this, but at the end of the day you have to put somebody out there. In the past we've often gone to our lesser used DL roster for Navy games. Nobody wants an injury, but some things are better not left to chance when you're talking certain players. You don't leave a starting quarterback in the game when the game is well in hand, for instance. Should Jarron have played more snaps Saturday? Maybe, but as others have mentioned he's already had history with knee injuries and sure couldn't use another. I think it was the right time to utilize some other DL bodies to see what they could do. It would have been nice to get some more stops, but we can't change that now. I'm sure Jarron has aspirations to get to the NFL and help his family out, that's harder to do if he's nursing another knee injury going into the Draft. Some things are more important than winning.

That was when we would beat Navy without blinking an eye. If the last 10 years has taught us anything, it's that Navy is no longer a "W". If you want to win, you better play your best if they're available. We've only beaten Navy 6 out of 10 and three of those wins were to close for comfort.

On a side note, if it is known that BK won't play kids for risk of impacting they're ability to get drafted, you'll start seeing a lot of kids wanting to stay on the sidelines at some point. Especially if the playoffs are out of reach.

 

[Irish Insanity]

*Not trying to start shit but.....

My comment about Kelly not thinking about playing JJ at DE was not out of frustration. Sure, I'm certainly frustrated, but after the game he had against Miami, the fact that he played two series (the only two stops lol) and the fact that the game ended in a loss are proof enough to me that he has fallen off and now is out of his depth.

"Irish Illustrated on Twitter: "Jarron Jones played 2 series (12 snaps). One ended in a 4th down stop. Other ended in a punt (& illegal sub). ND’s only 2 stops in the game."" via Bleacher Report by Bleacher Report

https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/795663994606538752

I actually just logged on the post the tweet you quoted and lololololololol

 

[BGIF]

Agreed, with his injury history they're certainly doing right by him holding him out of these games.

Holding him OUT yes, but he wasn't held out. IF he wasn't fit to play, he should not have suited up, nor made the trip, if he kept another DL from coming. Bring a kid who wants to play AND can play.

Why did he play at all? Seriously, were the 12 plays he played statistically less vulnerable to injury than the plays he sat out? When the game was on the line, did he grab his helmet and say, "I've sat out most of the game, I'm fresh. Put me in coach, the Defense will stop them!"?

Based on the rational above none of the players who have had a prior concussion should have played at all as they MIGHT gotten one again.

Adams has been nursing a hamstring all season why was he playing and risking re-injury? Folston, ankle?

Shall we go through the season (and past seasons) injury list to see who should have also been "protected" at the risk to others? It would be long.

Robinson, made the difficult decision to give up football rather than risk another head injury which I fully understand. He didn't make a conditional decision. He didn't say, "Coach, I'll play first and second downs but NOT third and definitely NOT over the middle or on a play where I'll be covered by someone over 175 pounds. Put someone else in the meat grinders. I'll take the safe plays."


In a couple of weeks can the CBs opt out of playing against So Cal on passing downs because their receivers are likely to damage their psyche irrevocably by toasting them repeatedly?

 

[NDinBoston]

First, I am not saying I agree or disagree with the decision to limit the plays for JJ to protect him from injury. However, assuming that was the actual reason...

1. I don't think you can broad brush this though and say it should apply to all or even any other players. The situation can be considered by the coaches to be "unique" and they're not sharing that with anyone.

2. They were 3-5. I doubt this happens if they're 8-0 or 7-1 and I think that is fine. JJ benefits from the "situation" that they aren't playing for the CFP.

3. Last, and most important, BK put JJ before his own self interests and those of his coaches which I would assume were onboard. I think that says a lot about BK and his coaches' character regardless of how you feel about his/their job situation.

 

[yankeehater]

I don't even know what to say. I also had someone tell me he may have had a concussion in the previous game. Either way he played him for several plays so nothing makes sense to me.

I may be showing my age, but this is frickin' football so if you are concerned about injuries then maybe you should try another sport. If Kelly is concerned for his job, then maybe he should play the guys that give them the best possible chance of winning.

 

[IrishLax]

First, I am not saying I agree or disagree with the decision to limit the plays for JJ to protect him from injury. However, assuming that was the actual reason...

1. I don't think you can broad brush this though and say it should apply to all or even any other players. The situation can be considered by the coaches to be "unique" and they're not sharing that with anyone.

2. They were 3-5. I doubt this happens if they're 8-0 or 7-1 and I think that is fine. JJ benefits from the "situation" that they aren't playing for the CFP.

3. Last, and most important, BK put JJ before his own self interests and those of his coaches which I would assume were onboard. I think that says a lot about BK and his coaches' character regardless of how you feel about his/their job situation.

Agree. No reason to put someone out there who's still battling back from a leg injury when there is nothing to play for.

 

[yankeehater]

Agree. No reason to put someone out there who's still battling back from a leg injury when there is nothing to play for.

Then you are saying he should just end his season?

 

[IrishLax]

Then you are saying he should just end his season?

What other teams are going to be routinely diving an injured area of his body where another injury could cost him millions? Are Virginia Tech and USC suddenly going to start cut blocking every play?

 

[Irish#1]

What other teams are going to be routinely diving an injured area of his body where another injury could cost him millions? Are Virginia Tech and USC suddenly going to start cut blocking every play?

Each play he's out there he risks injury from a cut block. I think this could set an unhealthy precedent. If BK was worried about his legs, then hold him out completely.

 

[kmoose]

Agree. No reason to put someone out there who's still battling back from a leg injury when there is nothing to play for.

Whatever happened to pride?

 

[NCND]

Some of the quotes coming out of this are a fucking embarrassment. What other so called "blue blood" would deal with one of their best DL choosing not to practice and play in the game???!!! Wtf is going on man!

 

[Irish#1]

Some of the quotes coming out of this are a fucking embarrassment. What other so called "blue blood" would deal with one of their best DL choosing not to practice and play in the game???!!! Wtf is going on man!

If we knew, we'd be undefeated right now!

 

[IrishLax]

Each play he's out there he risks injury from a cut block. I think this could set an unhealthy precedent. If BK was worried about his legs, then hold him out completely.

He's the only guy on the team who over a multi-year span has had multiple season ending leg injuries AND isn't 100% and is still in a lot of pain battling through it to play for ND. It would be malpractice to play someone in his condition more than he is comfortable with against a dirty team like Navy.

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Bigger question is why we continue to play Navy when we don't have to. We SHOULD beat them every single year, it's not about difficulty of the opponent. But it's extremely rare that we come out of the game without significant injuries given their style of play. There are numerous examples over Ken N.'s tenure of players taking needless, dirty cheap shots like the one above... at any other program they'd get rightfully labeled dirty. But we're supposed to smile and act like it's an honor to have our players stand there for 60 minutes while the guys across the field try to destroy their professional careers.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He's the only guy on the team who over a multi-year span has had multiple season ending leg injuries AND isn't 100% and is still in a lot of pain battling through it to play for ND. It would be malpractice to play someone in his condition more than he is comfortable with against a dirty team like Navy.



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Bigger question is why we continue to play Navy when we don't have to. We SHOULD beat them every single year, it's not about difficulty of the opponent. But it's extremely rare that we come out of the game without significant injuries given their style of play. There are numerous examples over Ken N.'s tenure of players taking needless, dirty cheap shots like the one above... at any other program they'd get rightfully labeled dirty. But we're supposed to smile and act like it's an honor to have our players stand there for 60 minutes while the guys across the field try to destroy their professional careers.

But but but Notre Dame would not be an institution if it were not for the Nave back in World War II.

You are correct. Just because someone is in the Navy, army, etc doesn't mean they are a good clean human being. These guys are taught to do whatever they can to survive in the real world. You don't think they would do whatever they could to beat the mighty Notre Dame on the football field; like dirty cut blocks, late hits, whatever they could get away with.

BTW did anyone else notice that ND was being held like 50% of the time, especially James O, and not one holding was called against Navy?!


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[irishtrain]

Some of the quotes coming out of this are a fucking embarrassment. What other so called "blue blood" would deal with one of their best DL choosing not to practice and play in the game???!!! Wtf is going on man!

Culture?

 

[irishtrain]

He's the only guy on the team who over a multi-year span has had multiple season ending leg injuries AND isn't 100% and is still in a lot of pain battling through it to play for ND. It would be malpractice to play someone in his condition more than he is comfortable with against a dirty team like Navy.

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Bigger question is why we continue to play Navy when we don't have to. We SHOULD beat them every single year, it's not about difficulty of the opponent. But it's extremely rare that we come out of the game without significant injuries given their style of play. There are numerous examples over Ken N.'s tenure of players taking needless, dirty cheap shots like the one above... at any other program they'd get rightfully labeled dirty. But we're supposed to smile and act like it's an honor to have our players stand there for 60 minutes while the guys across the field try to destroy their professional careers.

I have said this many many times to friends-the first thing I would do is stop playing these guys-you don't see the sec teams lining up to play them do you.

 

[ThePiombino]

I have said this many many times to friends-the first thing I would do is stop playing these guys-you don't see the sec teams lining up to play them do you.

Maybe not the best example considering their tenancy to schedule FCS opponents...