'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

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Whatever, I wish him the best, but we all did see the same guy last year right?

EG was absolutely defeated. He came slumping off the field looking like he was about to cry. He was done. If he had one or two more sub-par games and showed that attitude again, he would have been immediately and permanently replaced. EG was on an incredibly short leash going into this season. He knew it and BK wouldn't lie to him about it. (the bold is obviously speculation.)

See ya later... have fun replacing a very "strong" QB at FSU. I'm sure it will be a seemless transition for him.
 
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I find it interesting that your done with Golson, who has shown much potential and at times, more than potential, while at the same time you want to give another chance to Ishaq. Slightly different situation but much more the same. Inconsistent is a word that comes to my fingertips. <----Hey look-there it is!!

One of them - assuming he comes back - wants to be here and fight for a spot. The other had a spot and walked away because he maybe had to fight to keep it. Big difference.
 

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I find it interesting that your done with Golson, who has shown much potential and at times, more than potential, while at the same time you want to give another chance to Ishaq. Slightly different situation but much more the same. Inconsistent is a word that comes to my fingertips. <----Hey look-there it is!!

You're comparing apples to oranges. I agree that Everett can be very productive at times, and he can also be horribly inconsistent and turnover prone. All of that doesn't matter though, because he decided he no longer wanted to be part of the team, that's why I'm done with him.

As far as Ishaq, someone made the point in Ishaq's thread that he was a bust, no point in coming back, etc. I was simply playing devil's advocate and saying he had the opportunity to actually live up to his recruitment finally if he did come back. 4-3 DE was Ishaq's position, he was no linebacker. Also, if Ishaq wants to be with the team, and he can get through admissions, and there's a spot for him (Lots of hurdles there of course, and it's unlikely he's coming back), then take him. He was slated to start at DE in BVG's system prior to his suspension last year. I honestly don't think he'll be back because of all the hurdles he has in front of him, but if he wants to be part of this team and he clears those hurdles, bring him in.

Ultimately, my feelings towards Everett have little to do with his potential or offensive production. Simply put, Everett doesn't want to be with this team, that's why I'm done with him, so goodbye and good luck. I'd rather have a guy like Zaire that wants to be the starter, wants to lead this team, and has the right attitude.
 

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Golson still has NFL dreams. Him and Kelly were rarely, if ever, on the same page. I'm thankful for what he gave to ND, but in now way should anyone be pissed he left. On one side of the coin you have returning to the same offense and oach you've never been on the same page with. A team you a not start for. A team you will at minimum share reps on. On the other side you have a team of your choice. A coach you can hand pick so you ensure a better fit. A fresh start without last year's performance over your head. A step away from your academic issues. A better shot at the NFL. He made the best decision for him. He made the right decision.
 

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That certainly can be true, but not absolute.

If you're telling me that Florida had a bad thing going with Leak and Tebow, then that's an issue that I would love to deal with...

There's always an exception here and there. The vast majority of the time (95%-98%?) it doesn't work and hasn't.
 

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Naming Golson the starter had almost zero risk. First Malik is not going anywhere, why in gods name would he transfer and sit a year when he plays plenty this year and owns the team the next two , that's a red herring and would never happen.

Naming Golson the starter is not letting the inmates run the prison, after all he has the resume to start absolutely , that's why he is shopping his services so successfully. The irony here is if Golson had stayed all things being equal , its still more likely then not, he would have started against TEXAS in any event. Kelly was very likely going to use both QBs and knowing Kelly how he makes the exact decision is always problematic.

Naming Golson the starter with Malik only having a single TD to his credit and not even ONE FULL game would not have been a reach by any stretch , and would not have been seriously questioned by anyone....the issue would simply be could Golson produce without turnovers and keep the job or would Kelly go to Malik sooner rather then later....and how many packages & snaps would Malik get assuming Golson was playing strongly , would he be called in redzone, would he get a drive each half or how would Kelly do it.

Naming Golson the stater would not have really changed anything , Malik still could have taken over in totality if Golson started to put the ball on the ground, or could have played situationally with EG in the fashion Kelly was probably imagining. Naming Golson the starter simply preserved the options and depth at the QB spot.

Its very easy right now to wish EG a fond farewell no worries at all, but that's because the season has not started yet. It will be abundantly clear within those first six games that we could have really used the passing and play of Golson. Even against LSU , with Golson suffering PTSD from his fumble issues, and Malik being named the starter, Kelly still had more confidence in Golson on the drives that called for deeper routes and over the middle routes.

Knowing how to handle individual players , especially the quarterbacks, is one of the key jobs of any coach , and psychology is always a big part of that. Kelly mishandled this , and although its easy right now to simply say we didn't need EG, Malik is Tim Tebow, Tony Rice, everything EG was and a great leader as well.....and after all he hit Fuller in the spring game so no worries if and when we get behind.

Hopefully that thinking is correct but my instincts tell me we will regret not having Golson sooner rather then later in 2015 , and when that happens much of what I am saying will not be controversial but will be conventional wisdom that in hindsight seems obvious.

Montana was languishing as the third string QB, until injures gave him a shot. Not saying MZ is JM, but it's an example of underestimating the capabilities of a player.

You know why teams are after Golson? It's more about perception than reality. They see he led a team to the NCG and he's played for a major program. The schools that want him have a big question mark at QB right now. What they didn't see, was his TO's and just as important, his lack of ability to communicate and lead a team effectively. They also didn't see that in 2012, he had a great D, wasn't asked to do too much and had to have Tommy had to step in several times to win games for us.

I am in the group that wanted EG to stay, but I also don't think this is a bad situation for the Irish.
 

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Whatever, I wish him the best, but we all did see the same guy last year right?

EG was absolutely defeated. He came slumping off the field looking like he was about to cry. He was done. If he had one or two more sub-par games and showed that attitude again, he would have been immediately and permanently replaced. EG was on an incredibly short leash going into this season. He knew it and BK wouldn't lie to him about it. (the bold is obviously speculation.)

See ya later... have fun replacing a very "strong" QB at FSU. I'm sure it will be a seemless transition for him.


This is absolutely true. It could be attributed to a number of factors but his confidence (and defensive injuries) killed us the second half of last season. It's best for everyone to move on. MZ has the confidence.
 

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Naming Golson the starter had almost zero risk. First Malik is not going anywhere, why in gods name would he transfer and sit a year when he plays plenty this year and owns the team the next two , that's a red herring and would never happen.

Naming Golson the starter is not letting the inmates run the prison, after all he has the resume to start absolutely , that's why he is shopping his services so successfully. The irony here is if Golson had stayed all things being equal , its still more likely then not, he would have started against TEXAS in any event. Kelly was very likely going to use both QBs and knowing Kelly how he makes the exact decision is always problematic.

Naming Golson the starter with Malik only having a single TD to his credit and not even ONE FULL game would not have been a reach by any stretch , and would not have been seriously questioned by anyone....the issue would simply be could Golson produce without turnovers and keep the job or would Kelly go to Malik sooner rather then later....and how many packages & snaps would Malik get assuming Golson was playing strongly , would he be called in redzone, would he get a drive each half or how would Kelly do it.

Naming Golson the stater would not have really changed anything , Malik still could have taken over in totality if Golson started to put the ball on the ground, or could have played situationally with EG in the fashion Kelly was probably imagining. Naming Golson the starter simply preserved the options and depth at the QB spot.

Its very easy right now to wish EG a fond farewell no worries at all, but that's because the season has not started yet. It will be abundantly clear within those first six games that we could have really used the passing and play of Golson. Even against LSU , with Golson suffering PTSD from his fumble issues, and Malik being named the starter, Kelly still had more confidence in Golson on the drives that called for deeper routes and over the middle routes.

Knowing how to handle individual players , especially the quarterbacks, is one of the key jobs of any coach , and psychology is always a big part of that. Kelly mishandled this , and although its easy right now to simply say we didn't need EG, Malik is Tim Tebow, Tony Rice, everything EG was and a great leader as well.....and after all he hit Fuller in the spring game so no worries if and when we get behind.

Hopefully that thinking is correct but my instincts tell me we will regret not having Golson sooner rather then later in 2015 , and when that happens much of what I am saying will not be controversial but will be conventional wisdom that in hindsight seems obvious.

Your definitive statements offer more proof for me that you'll never have to worry about being a top-level coach (or you won't have to worry about it for very long). You are fool hardy if you think you can predict what a young man will do. If EG was named the starter, MZ has another year of watching with a few plays thrown his way. What happens if Kizer takes the next step forward or Wimbush appears poised to take over?

Kelly's already shown his predilection for passing QBs so it isn't a stretch to think Zaire may have started wondering what his role would be on the team moving forward.

As to the bolded, you are conflating two things and taking credit where it isn't due. I believe it's a setback to lose Golson but I'm not ready to throw Kelly under the bus for how everything was handled. I believe there will be moments in the coming season where it would've paid dividends to have Golson on the roster, but as true Irish fans, let's hope both of us are wrong.
 

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Knowing how to handle individual players , especially the quarterbacks, is one of the key jobs of any coach , and psychology is always a big part of that. Kelly mishandled this

This is the problem that I have with your stance: I'm pretty confident that you have not attended a single practice, meeting, or any other team activity. So you really don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes, and what the staff may (or may not) have done for Golson. Yet you demonstratively assert that the coaching staff fvcked this up. We hero worship a lot of athletes and celebrities (and some coaches, too) to the point where the idea that said star might not be the hero that we think they are is absolutely unfathomable. Stop the hero worship. Let it play out. There will undoubtedly be stories that will surface during the season that will put more perspective to this situation. There always are...
 

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This is the problem that I have with your stance: I'm pretty confident that you have not attended a single practice, meeting, or any other team activity. So you really don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes, and what the staff may (or may not) have done for Golson. Yet you demonstratively assert that the coaching staff fvcked this up. We hero worship a lot of athletes and celebrities (and some coaches, too) to the point where the idea that said star might not be the hero that we think they are is absolutely unfathomable. Stop the hero worship. Let it play out. There will undoubtedly be stories that will surface during the season that will put more perspective to this situation. There always are...

"Oh no, Aaron Lynch is transferring! Our defense is fucked!"
(Player was a locker room plague, team goes to Natty the next year behind strong defense)
 

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This is the problem that I have with your stance: I'm pretty confident that you have not attended a single practice, meeting, or any other team activity. So you really don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes, and what the staff may (or may not) have done for Golson. Yet you demonstratively assert that the coaching staff fvcked this up. We hero worship a lot of athletes and celebrities (and some coaches, too) to the point where the idea that said star might not be the hero that we think they are is absolutely unfathomable. Stop the hero worship. Let it play out. There will undoubtedly be stories that will surface during the season that will put more perspective to this situation. There always are...

Agree. And to add...

There already are a couple stories popping up. It's been mentioned that EG lied to the staff and any reporter he talked to. It was the players on the team who sold him out and told BK that his intentions were to transfer. That speaks volumes. This team is Malik's team and it's pretty obvious.

Anyone who thinks EG is the victim here is misinformed.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB Everett Golson won’t make decision today, may visit more schools, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/espn">@ESPN</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/600359935604629504">May 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB Everett Golson won’t make decision today, may visit more schools, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/espn">@ESPN</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/600359935604629504">May 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Does this strike anybody else as "nobody wants him"?

At the very least, it sounds "more probable than not" that the SEC waiver won't be granted.
 

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He should go to Cincy just to mess with Kiel*.



*I have UC season tickets, so this would be terrible for the team's outlook, but also entertaining.
 

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Does this strike anybody else as "nobody wants him"?

At the very least, it sounds "more probable than not" that the SEC waiver won't be granted.

I actually thought this rhetorically, last week, when I kept seeing the tweets about schools not interested or schools down playing interest.

EG, was a good QB, but he's not Andrew Luck. He was a prolific passer, but he also turned the ball over like crazy and had an attitude problem/ leadership problem. To mention a comment from a podcast (ISD or II, can't remember), EG leaving one job before he has another was not smart. It may work out for him, but what if it doesn't?
:zthinking
 

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Does this strike anybody else as "nobody wants him"?

At the very least, it sounds "more probable than not" that the SEC waiver won't be granted.

Not at all. I think he's not hearing what he wants to hear, so he's trying to find something perfect for him.
 

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Not at all. I think he's not hearing what he wants to hear, so he's trying to find something perfect for him.

This. I think he wants to be guaranteed the starting job. and doesn't want a heavy competition from any backup. This is his last chance to show what he can do to scouts.

By all accounts he would have been starting here but on a tight leash. He transferred cause he wants more than that. He might have oversold his own stock and thought he could show up just about anywhere and be the unquestioned #1 guy, but I don't think any of these teams are telling him "thanks but no thanks."
 

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Not at all. I think he's not hearing what he wants to hear, so he's trying to find something perfect for him.

This. I think he wants to be guaranteed the starting job. and doesn't want a heavy competition from any backup. This is his last chance to show what he can do to scouts.

By all accounts he would have been starting here but on a tight leash. He transferred cause he wants more than that. He might have oversold his own stock and thought he could show up just about anywhere and be the unquestioned #1 guy, but I don't think any of these teams are telling him "thanks but no thanks."

I agree with this too.

I'm assuming he's not going to get the SEC waiver, and he's probably surprised that the non-SEC schools aren't trying to move heaven and earth to get him. He shouldn't be, but I'm sure there's some arrogance at play here.
 

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He should go somewhere that's not going to be playing for a playoff spot. Most big programs know he has the potential to be great, but he can also be a turnover machine. A Jimbo Fisher might not want to promise him the keys to the castle, knowing his past. Any big school like FSU, BAMA, UGA, and so on have quality backups that will push him for reps if he starts failing. He should go throw for 5,000 yards at Wash. St and hope that puts him in the NFL
 

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Im sure Chuck Martin would take him, give him the keys, and let him run the same offense. Just a thought.
 

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Im sure Chuck Martin would take him, give him the keys, and let him run the same offense. Just a thought.


He's not going to Miami OH though. Plus that would just get the people who want Chuck Martin to be the next coach at ND just to excited.
 

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He doesn't have to go to a top tier program or even a mid-level program. If you can play, the NFL will find you.
 

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He's not going to Miami OH though. Plus that would just get the people who want Chuck Martin to be the next coach at ND just to excited.

I'm not 100% sold yet, but I do think he's got the chops. I'd love for him to fix up the Miami mess. It'd be a great thing if Golson were a part of that.
 

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I agree with others that the SEC waiver will be tough to get.

Too bad we play Virginia this year, because UVA could be a good spot for him with Lambert transferring.
 
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