'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Irish2155]

Considering that he put us in a position to win each of the three games you mentioned if someone else even remotely did their job I'm not going to say that he "lost" those games. Look at his freaking statline. I'd blame roughly half our team, Vangorder, and Kelly for each of those losses before our QB. The fact that you're even trying to boil it down to that one question of "did it negatively effect..." Shows that you're oversimplifying to an extent that a reasonable football discussion can't be had.

North - fing- Western bud. At home. Louisville as well to an extinct. They are all a team loss, I get it.

Maybe BK deserves more responsibility thinking he had a QB he could just let it loose with? When in reality he had a QB (and a defense) he needed to run ball control.

 

[greyhammer90]

Well, at least you held out for an hour LOL.

I can't help it. When I see a bad argument I get itchy.

 

[irishtrain]

You don't think EG's TOs had a huge impact on this team's final record?

Yeah he made mistakes because he was put in a position where he and the offense had to pony up to support a defense that suddenly became the 100th ranked 'D' in the country. This guy took way to much blame and as I said I think Kelly decided to put all the responsibility on Golson to win those last games-it blew up in his face. The proof is the fact that they ran the ball against a good sec defense in their bowl game and won-that could have been done against NW,ASU,L'ville. Southern Cal would beat them no matter but Kelly deserves a bit of criticism for the game plans in those other 3 losses. Kelly is a top 5 coach in the country but this one blew up in his face. Zaire now has to turn into Tony Rice for this story to end well. I went from 11-1 to 9-3 for my prediction for 2015 and this team is really good on all points except throwing the football now that Golson is gone.

 

[GoIrish41]

Yeah he made mistakes because he was put in a position where he and the offense had to pony up to support a defense that suddenly became the 100th ranked 'D' in the country. This guy took way to much blame and as I said I think Kelly decided to put all the responsibility on Golson to win those last games-it blew up in his face. The proof is the fact that they ran the ball against a good sec defense in their bowl game and won-that could have been done against NW,ASU,L'ville. Southern Cal would beat them no matter but Kelly deserves a bit of criticism for the game plans in those other 3 losses. Kelly is a top 5 coach in the country but this one blew up in his face. Zaire now has to turn into Tony Rice for this story to end well. I went from 11-1 to 9-3 for my prediction for 2015 and this team is really good on all points except throwing the football now that Golson is gone.

It is a little early to come to this conclusion, isn't it?

 

[jspags10pg]

To me, the way the season ended was mostly attributable to two things: The defense being decimated and too much of the load being put on Everett's shoulders afterwards. He plays great when the entire game isn't on his shoulders (I mean the entire game, all game long and in preparation...not just a play or a drive to end the game. He played well in those situations at times) ...when we went into a game knowing it was going to be a shootout (ASU, USC), Everett never played well. Too much pressure was put on him and he never seemed to handle it well. And I also think BK and Golson are not a good match. BK is too fiery and in your face when you're not executing for someone like Everett. BK seemed to get in his head too much. I think MZ will handle this better if/when it comes to that. Just my opinion.

And as for the defense...well, I don't think any team in the country could sustain a high level of play with the amount of injuries we had. It's one thing if it's one or two positions but we had guys dropping like flies all over the place...not to mention the self inflicted suspensions to start the year that would have without a doubt helped in this situation.

And even with all that said...we were still right there in every game except USC. If not for a few bad plays (Cams fumble and the missed FG's/PAT's against Northwestern and Louisville) we still have ourselves a 10 win season...but that's just the way it goes...sometimes you catch the breaks (Stanford) and sometimes you dont (FSU, Northwestern, Louisville). And I know, I know...I'm sick of the coulda, woulda, shoulda thing too. Hopefully next year puts an end to that. I have a feeling it will.

Last years team was a good one that just couldn't get out of it's own way since before the season even started with the "Frozen Five". "Couldn't get out of it's own way" might not be the best way to put that but something along those lines. The injuries (most damaging part of the whole season by far IMO) were no ones fault but some bad play calls (hindsight is always 20/20 tho), Frozen Five, mental mistakes (EG fumblitis), and bad breaks (Cam's fumble, missed chip shot FGs and PATs, FSU play) can be considered the teams fault.

And as far as Everett...he plays well when too much isn't on his plate. When the defense was at least adequate and he played with less pressure all game long, he played great and was a Heisman contender. Once the pressure was put on the offense to outscore everyone, he lost control and the mental errors began to spiral.

I think he has a good year next year as long as he goes somewhere with a coach who is more laid back and the game isn't always on his shoulders. I think UGA would be a great spot for him. Hand it off to any one of their three backs (Chubb is a straight up beast) and only throw when you have to. I don't think he was ever comfortable running the zone read or air raid style spread. He needs to go to a more pro-style offense IMO.

I wish he stayed but I wish him the best going forward.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah he made mistakes because he was put in a position where he and the offense had to pony up to support a defense that suddenly became the 100th ranked 'D' in the country. This guy took way to much blame and as I said I think Kelly decided to put all the responsibility on Golson to win those last games-it blew up in his face. The proof is the fact that they ran the ball against a good sec defense in their bowl game and won-that could have been done against NW,ASU,L'ville. Southern Cal would beat them no matter but Kelly deserves a bit of criticism for the game plans in those other 3 losses. Kelly is a top 5 coach in the country but this one blew up in his face. Zaire now has to turn into Tony Rice for this story to end well. I went from 11-1 to 9-3 for my prediction for 2015 and this team is really good on all points except throwing the football now that Golson is gone.

I'm a big Tony Rice fan but if Malik puts up Tony Rice's paltry #'s... This board will implode and South Bend will be reduced to rubble.

If he puts up Tony Rice #'s and wins a championship... he'll be awarded sainthood.

 

[jspags10pg]

I'm a big Tony Rice fan but if Malik puts up Tony Rice's paltry #'s... This board will implode and South Bend will be reduced to rubble.

If he puts up Tony Rice #'s and wins a championship... he'll be awarded sainthood.

As long as campus stays untouched this might be considered an improvement.

 

[Irish2155]

I can't help it. When I see a bad argument I get itchy.

What kind of your argument is good? You must be one itchy s.o.b.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If he's truly considering South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia, that reasoning wouldn't hold much weight haha.

Sorry I missed this.

EG is not playing for Notre Dame next year; confirmed fact.

The school EG is playing for; speculation.

Confusing the two as factual; haha.

 

[tadman95]

I'm a Golson fan and hate he left, but I wish him well and will watch his games.

Now I'm curious what you guys really think. Does he realistically have any chance in the NFL.?

His physical stature is a problem and would force a team to design an offense to those limitations which puts a lot of pressure on his skills and ability to perform. I don't know that he can do that week in/week out.

He's a first class athlete with a 5* arm who can play quarterback, in college.

I just can't see him as a starter in the NFL. Maybe he makes a roster for a year or three?

 

[johnnycando]

^
I'm thinking he makes Russell Wilson look tall.

But they may be about the same size.

Wilson does just fine, but he's a margin faster.

There are quite a few designed and undesigned scrambles and roll outs built for QBs that need to see the field.

 

[Irish2155]

Nope, can't see the middle of the field in college there is no way he's seeing it when the game gets bigger, faster, stronger. And he can't play any other position (Denard Robinson).

He'll be working in the real word, just like us all. Wish him the best!!

 

[tadman95]

^
I'm thinking he makes Russell Wilson look tall.

But they may be about the same size.

Wilson does just fine, but he's a margin faster.

There are quite a few designed and undesigned scrambles and roll outs built for QBs that need to see the field.

I think their size is similar. I think the biggest difference is Wilson is a quarterback who ia a gifted athlete. (He had baseball as an option also, maybe not MLB though)

I believe Golson is a gifted athlete who plays college football.

Big difference.

 

[Irish2155]

Wilson is better at every aspect of playing QB as well (leadership being a big one), regardless of what other sports they've played.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I can't help it. When I see a bad argument I get itchy.

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You are not the only one.

I can't argue about who is better than who. Never could. When the neighborhood kids used to say my dad could kick you dads ass, I used to answer "Maybe. But have your dad come out here and hit me; we'll find out! But your dad better be prepared to go through my mother first!"

To me, at any given level it comes down to more than talent. It comes down to the right guy being in the right situation, and wanting it the most. If I would have any knock on Golson, it would be on the mental side. Others have noted it, so I don't think that this is any new or controversial ground.

My feeling is that Golson could have skipped football, and we still would have been familiar with his name. I think he is a better basketball player than many are aware. Had he given it all to hoops with the opportunity he had, he may have been pretty special.

Back to being in the right place at the right time, the ultimate current example is 12 gage from the end of the UM game. So much so that if he had started from the beginning of the season, or even the middle, I cannot see OSU making a successful title run.

ND was a good situation for EG, with a red shirt year, then Tommy to bail him out. That was perfect, because the two quarterbacks were such a change of pace. Then '13 and his dismissal. So we will never know how he would have done with a really talented group for a follow up year. Last year he was given the reigns for too long, and ND had MZ to back him. But what really would happen this year? I like Everett just fine. He is a much better than average guy under incredible pressure. Some people can't do it. He didn't stick around to find out.

And this speculation of where he will go is out of hand. So is talk about his making it in the NFL. Even though Keith caved to the psychological pitfall of UND losing a 'starter,' (by mistaking the bomb in the spring game as coming from him, not MZ), he was right about one main thing : Everett Golson never was able to start two consecutive years at Notre Dame. Like others I think the situation has more to do with Kelly's affinity for the first quarterback he got at ND that fits his mold, than the overwhelming talent of EG. For all his skills at ND I think EG was very hard to play with, and I don't expect that to change any time soon. One of the best arms in football? Yes. One of the best team players, or a guy that could 'take the team on his back'?

 

[AvesEvo]

How does Golson leaving change ND's QB recruiting this cycle?

 

[IrishLion]

Sorry I missed this.

EG is not playing for Notre Dame next year; confirmed fact.

The school EG is playing for; speculation.

Confusing the two as factual; haha.

You never cease to confuse me, Bogs.

I didn't mean to question your info, just thinking out loud that if Golson is leaving at least in part because of a change in offensive philosophy, then the schools he has been linked to don't make much sense at this point.

If he's concerned about playing in an offense that features the power run, then Georgia, Florida and South Carolina aren't that far off of what he'd see at ND, so the reasoning wouldn't hold much weight.

 

[jspags10pg]

You never cease to confuse me, Bogs.

I didn't mean to question your info, just thinking out loud that if Golson is leaving at least in part because of a change in offensive philosophy, then the schools he has been linked to don't make much sense at this point.

If he's concerned about playing in an offense that features the power run, then Georgia, Florida and South Carolina aren't that far off of what he'd see at ND, so the reasoning wouldn't hold much weight.

I dont know exactly what South Carolina (I think they have some zone read but are more like ND's offense last year but I'm not sure) and Florida (No idea what McElwain runs) will be running but Georgia's offense is a different type of power run game than what will seemingly be being played at ND this fall. ND will be mostly a zone read running attack whereas Georgia is more of a pro-style offense with traditional handoffs to the RB's and pocket passing by the QB. I think that suits Golson very well. He is a pass first guy who has the ability to scramble. He isn't suited to run the zone read or take a pounding over four quarters running the ball like Ziare or a Braxton Miller/Barrett/Cardale or those types of QB's.

 

[Irish2155]

I dont know exactly what South Carolina (I think they have some zone read but are more like ND's offense last year but I'm not sure) and Florida (No idea what McElwain runs) will be running but Georgia's offense is a different type of power run game than what will seemingly be being played at ND this fall. ND will be mostly a zone read running attack whereas Georgia is more of a pro-style offense with traditional handoffs to the RB's and pocket passing by the QB. I think that suits Golson very well. He is a pass first guy who has the ability to scramble. He isn't suited to run the zone read or take a pounding over four quarters running the ball like Ziare or a Braxton Miller/Barrett/Cardale or those types of QB's.

I think EG would be bad ass in Georgia's offense. Give him a play action and then let him throw. The middle of the field would totally open for him. His problem has never been throwing the ball, more so seeing the field.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You never cease to confuse me, Bogs.

I didn't mean to question your info, just thinking out loud that if Golson is leaving at least in part because of a change in offensive philosophy, then the schools he has been linked to don't make much sense at this point.

If he's concerned about playing in an offense that features the power run, then Georgia, Florida and South Carolina aren't that far off of what he'd see at ND, so the reasoning wouldn't hold much weight.

I know, bro! It is okay, and I forget that everyone on this site expects a response to be a direct challenge, I was agreeing!

My comment was in support of your comment, which I took to be about all the horse shit being bantered about. My grandpa used to say, "People that put the cart before the horse are prone to forget they are leaving a huge amount of horse shit for others!"

 

[GBdomer]

How does Golson leaving change ND's QB recruiting this cycle?

Doesn't at all, it's Golson last year anyways and wouldn't matter with recruiting moving forward. They plan to take a QB this cycle like they do every cycle with BK

 

[irishtrain]

I'm a big Tony Rice fan but if Malik puts up Tony Rice's paltry #'s... This board will implode and South Bend will be reduced to rubble.

If he puts up Tony Rice #'s and wins a championship... he'll be awarded sainthood.

Referring to leadership here

 

[irishtrain]

To me, the way the season ended was mostly attributable to two things: The defense being decimated and too much of the load being put on Everett's shoulders afterwards. He plays great when the entire game isn't on his shoulders (I mean the entire game, all game long and in preparation...not just a play or a drive to end the game. He played well in those situations at times) ...when we went into a game knowing it was going to be a shootout (ASU, USC), Everett never played well. Too much pressure was put on him and he never seemed to handle it well. And I also think BK and Golson are not a good match. BK is too fiery and in your face when you're not executing for someone like Everett. BK seemed to get in his head too much. I think MZ will handle this better if/when it comes to that. Just my opinion.

And as for the defense...well, I don't think any team in the country could sustain a high level of play with the amount of injuries we had. It's one thing if it's one or two positions but we had guys dropping like flies all over the place...not to mention the self inflicted suspensions to start the year that would have without a doubt helped in this situation.

And even with all that said...we were still right there in every game except USC. If not for a few bad plays (Cams fumble and the missed FG's/PAT's against Northwestern and Louisville) we still have ourselves a 10 win season...but that's just the way it goes...sometimes you catch the breaks (Stanford) and sometimes you dont (FSU, Northwestern, Louisville). And I know, I know...I'm sick of the coulda, woulda, shoulda thing too. Hopefully next year puts an end to that. I have a feeling it will.

Last years team was a good one that just couldn't get out of it's own way since before the season even started with the "Frozen Five". "Couldn't get out of it's own way" might not be the best way to put that but something along those lines. The injuries (most damaging part of the whole season by far IMO) were no ones fault but some bad play calls (hindsight is always 20/20 tho), Frozen Five, mental mistakes (EG fumblitis), and bad breaks (Cam's fumble, missed chip shot FGs and PATs, FSU play) can be considered the teams fault.

And as far as Everett...he plays well when too much isn't on his plate. When the defense was at least adequate and he played with less pressure all game long, he played great and was a Heisman contender. Once the pressure was put on the offense to outscore everyone, he lost control and the mental errors began to spiral.

I think he has a good year next year as long as he goes somewhere with a coach who is more laid back and the game isn't always on his shoulders. I think UGA would be a great spot for him. Hand it off to any one of their three backs (Chubb is a straight up beast) and only throw when you have to. I don't think he was ever comfortable running the zone read or air raid style spread. He needs to go to a more pro-style offense IMO.

I wish he stayed but I wish him the best going forward.

The answer is spot on and I agree 100%. Also the defense issue I brought up was not a knock on coaching but more to injuries and bad field play. I will stand by my statement that this transfer will hurt and the passing game when needed will suffer. Zaire seems to be a leader-he damn well better be- because the guy that just transferred was one helluva passer. I don't see this loss helping the team in anyway and if Spurrier and Richt are actually looking at this guy he must be pretty damn good. I don't care for the sec but those 2 guys can coach.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm a Golson fan and hate he left, but I wish him well and will watch his games.

Now I'm curious what you guys really think. Does he realistically have any chance in the NFL.?

His physical stature is a problem and would force a team to design an offense to those limitations which puts a lot of pressure on his skills and ability to perform. I don't know that he can do that week in/week out.

He's a first class athlete with a 5* arm who can play quarterback, in college.

I just can't see him as a starter in the NFL. Maybe he makes a roster for a year or three?

I don't think he can make it in the NFL as a QB. The problem is he isn't a true QB, he's more of an athlete/baller. He can make things happen, he'll make plays, but I don't think he has the football IQ to break a defense down and he's struggled with going through progressions at times. He got better with it in the LSU game maybe and learned to stay in the pocket a bit better as the season went on, but his first inclination is to take off if his first and maaaaybe second option isn't open. That's also when he gets in trouble with fumbles a lot of times. Other QBs may secure the ball before they decide to take off, but Everett's thinking flight mode right away and as a result the ball was out flailing around as he ran.

In short, to play on Sundays you have to be able to take care of the football, you need a good understanding of defenses and be able to adjust accordingly in games, you need to be able to see the whole field, and I'm not sure his body could handle the punishment. He also seems to struggle with learning from mistakes, and he doesn't quite have the leadership trait. He seems very introverted at times, which is strange for someone that plays the QB position. I feel like I'm sandbagging him quite a bit, there's a lot of things he does very well, but I just don't see him as a true QB right now. Last season it occurred to me that he very much reminds me of Denard Robinson. He's capable of winning a lot of games in college, but he's also very capable of losing a lot of games and I don't think his skill set translates well to the NFL. Will he do well next season ? Probably, I could see the right coach utilizing him well. Will he be drafted? I guess it depends on how well he does, a team could certainly take a chance on him. He probably has better opportunities to use his athleticism as a Slot receiver if he wants to get into the NFL, but who knows.

 

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[Irish#1]

I'm a Golson fan and hate he left, but I wish him well and will watch his games.

Now I'm curious what you guys really think. Does he realistically have any chance in the NFL.?

His physical stature is a problem and would force a team to design an offense to those limitations which puts a lot of pressure on his skills and ability to perform. I don't know that he can do that week in/week out.

He's a first class athlete with a 5* arm who can play quarterback, in college.

I just can't see him as a starter in the NFL. Maybe he makes a roster for a year or three?

No. Even if he leads his new team to a great record and a major bowl, it's not happening. The NFL does not draft on records and even performance so much. They draft primarily on physical talent and football IQ. The history of the draft is littered with lots of QB's who were bigger with as strong of an arm and never made it. A team will invite him to camp as an UFA, but as others have said, his best chance at making the NFL is probably at another position.

 

[greyhammer90]

No. Even if he leads his new team to a great record and a major bowl, it's not happening. The NFL does not draft on records and even performance so much. They draft primarily on physical talent and football IQ. The history of the draft is littered with lots of QB's who were bigger with as strong of an arm and never made it. A team will invite him to camp as an UFA, but as others have said, his best chance at making the NFL is probably at another position.

Woah woah woah I agree he doesn't have the classic physical traits, and I don't know if the NFL is going to be a successful place for him in the end, but you don't think he'll even get drafted? Like not even in the later rounds? I'd be shocked if a team doesn't pick him up by the 5th round. QBs are just too much of a commodity.

 

[dublinirish]

Trevor Siemian from NW went to Denver in the 7th round. EG is a much better prospect than him. I'd say the floor for EG is definitely the 7th round

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Woah woah woah I agree he doesn't have the classic physical traits, and I don't know if the NFL is going to be a successful place for him in the end, but you don't think he'll even get drafted? Like not even in the later rounds? I'd be shocked if a team doesn't pick him up by the 5th round. QBs are just too much of a commodity.

Trevor Siemian from NW went to Denver in the 7th round. EG is a much better prospect than him. I'd say the floor for EG is definitely the 7th round

I think he'll have to prove that his turnover issue last year wasn't the norm. He's a prolific passer and there's ample evidence to back that up. Physical traits, leadership issues, etc can be overlooked as long as he makes plays. But if he can't get the turnovers down, then I don't see how he gets drafted. I don't see a team taking a chance on him (as a draft pick) if he 1) is too small 2) lacks leadership AND 3) turns the ball over way too much.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think he will have to prove he can play in college, first.