'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[NDohio]

Why SC though? The SEC will eat him alive and he'll be worse off.

He is from SC and SS recruited him out of HS. And SS with physically talented QBs is a recipe for success.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I still think you are discounting what happened to EG's confidence. The first five/six games of the season he didn't show the same kind of attitude he did late in the season. He was talking to wide-outs, cheering on teammates(even MZ when he had that long run early in the season), was more attentive to BK, etc.

True, don't remember that stuff from that long ago. I do know that his body language the last few weeks of the year was completely unacceptable, and I would hate to play on a team that considers him a "leader".

And I don't care what bad stuff happens, he's 3 days away from being 22 years old, with hopes of playing in the league. Grow a pair.

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

 

[GoldenDomer]

He is from SC and Ss recruited him out of HS. And SS with physically talented QBs is a recipe for success.

I get the homecoming thing but the SEC aint a good look for him.

 

[GoIrish41]

Golson has all the talent in the world ... but he didn't put it all together in 2014. This benching for the bowl game can either be a step in his development or he can run away to a new program where he'll have to start all over. It is his choice. I still think he's the most talented QB on the roster, but leaving because his feelings are hurt would be just another in a series of bad decisions that he's made since his freshman year at ND. IMHO, if he transfers it will say something about his character, not his talent. He should use this benching to motivate himself to get better. It isn't like what he needs to improve upon is some big mystery.

 

[Buster Bluth]

True, don't remember that stuff from that long ago. I do know that his body language the last few weeks of the year was completely unacceptable, and I would hate to play on a team that considers him a "leader".

And I don't care what bad stuff happens, he's 3 days away from being 22 years old, with hopes of playing in the league. Grow a pair.

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

This is beautiful. Starting off with admitting you don't know the whole picture, then rip a player apart over body language and how you'd hate to play on his team (and let's be very clear...you couldn't play at Notre Dame), and by the end of it tell the player to "grow a pair."

A+ sir.

 

[Cackalacky]

True, don't remember that stuff from that long ago. I do know that his body language the last few weeks of the year was completely unacceptable, and I would hate to play on a team that considers him a "leader".

And I don't care what bad stuff happens, he's 3 days away from being 22 years old, with hopes of playing in the league. Grow a pair.

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

I get the homecoming thing but the SEC aint a good look for him.

This is beautiful. Starting off with admitting you don't know the whole picture, then rip a player apart over body language and how you'd hate to play on his team (and let's be very clear...you couldn't play at Notre Dame), and by the end of it tell the player to "grow a pair."

A+ sir.

The koon needs to check his rear new mirror. Competition just surfaced.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm kind of over Golson at this point. I'm always going to support whoever is under center, but I've just never felt great about Golson as a QB. His best moments come when a play breaks down and he keeps it alive with his feet, but that's not enough to be a great QB. He can be exciting, but I prefer consistency. I think Malik reads the option better, he goes through his progressions better, and he shows more leadership. Zaire also doesn't come off the field and act like a spoiled child when his coach tries to talk to him. Can't say Malik is going into a great situation getting his first start against LSU, but he's done everything the right way since day 1 and deserves this opportunity.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This is beautiful.
1. Starting off with admitting you don't know the whole picture, then rip a player apart over body language and
2. how you'd hate to play on his team (and let's be very clear...you couldn't play at Notre Dame), and
3. by the end of it tell the player to "grow a pair."

A+ sir.

1. Any average FBS QB can be in good spirits throwing TD's against Rice.
2. Yes, I have, and hated playing with supposed "leaders" who had shitty attitudes. What the hell does playing at ND have to do with it?
3. Yes, if he does not grow a pair (mature- to put it in nicer terms) his NFL career will be short lived.

Poor rebuttal.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't like that Golson can't (won't) see the middle of the field and seems careless at times with the ball. BUT, what I hate more than that is this team being one injury away from playing a true/RS frosh next season. I'm hoping EG comes back as either #1B or #2 QB next season on the depth chart. God forbid, MZ goes down or struggles, would be nice to have a QB as capable as EG as our "contingency plan".

 

[BleedBlueGold]

People need to get over the "experience" thing. Experience is a fine attribute, but it's irrelevant if the inexperienced guy is BETTER. Who would you have started in Super Bowl XXXVI? Tom Brady had 16 games under his belt. Drew Bledsoe had nine years. Should the Colts bench Andrew Luck just because his backup has over 5,000 career passing attempts and luck only has about 1,800? Of course not.


He never belonged on that list. Never ever ever ever ever. His hype was based on pounding Rice (big whoop) and Michigan (who turned out to be horrible), and one (admittedly) clutch throw against Stanford in a game in which he otherwise played poorly.

He absolutely did early on based on his production and compared to other QBs at the same point in the year. 15 total TDs, 1142 passing yards, and 2 INTs through the first four games. The wheels began to fall off during Syracuse and he gradually dropped down the list until he ultimately fell off. Saying he never belonged on that list is ridiculous. Of course he did early on. Just not as the year went on. The kid can play. I think he honestly just had a horrible year, lost confidence, and the rest is history.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm having a real difficult time understanding why people would want EG to leave. If he left we'd go into next season with a starting QB with little experience and two backups with zero experience. Plus they're mobile QBs so they're more likely to get hurt.

Fans can be really, really stupid sometimes.

I don't want him to leave, but I also don't want him to start IF he can't improve on his deficiencies and the back up is ready to shine. Much like RB, if you have two you really don't have any.

Seems the assumption being made is that Golson either starts or leaves. I don't think it is that cut and dry. We can be honest and say he sure is not Russell Wilson and no way he picks up another system to move himself into position for a NFL draft pick. However, running backup QB at ND your 5th year gives you zero chance of NFL draft pick. With degree in hand, wouldn't he be best served taking the best chance at making an NFL roster?

Most likely, we come out of this game with a QB controversy and hard battle for #1 in the spring. I guess he still has time to bolt if he loses the battle in the spring but who really thinks BK is naming the starter? Why give that heads up to anyone? Make them prepare for both and keep them fighting for #1. Plus, you keep Golson in the fold if you keep him thinking he has a leg up at being named starter.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I will admit that you guys know a lot more about NFL and NFL players but I cannot imagine anyone burning a draft pick on an undersized and mistake prone QB. I mean, if he is a turnover machine against mid talent college teams, the pros would eat him up. Maybe someone will pick him up after the draft ends for small change but no way can I see burning a pick on this guy.

I dont know where it went wrong with him and I doubt anyone does not on the ND coaching staff. Is he just not smart enough to read defenses? Sure he can burn it up vs teams like Rice and a sub .500 Michigan team but honestly, what QB with pro aspirations wouldnt have against teams like that?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I still root for Golson although his window has continued to shrink. I really thought he was the real deal, his arm strength is incredible. The way he can sling the ball has allowed him to develop bad mechanics and careless tendencies, like carrying the ball like a loaf of bread.

I hope our QBs shine together today. I was the one advocating for running an 80%/20% split this whole time. Neither QB was likely ready to run with it completely and I think some time on the sidelines would've benefited Golson and we'd have seasoned Malik through the year.

It's easy to armchair QB now that it turned out so poorly but let's hope our coaches find the right tactic to get more from their players.

 

[Irish Insanity]

At some point you have to see that it's not just the player that is failing to improve or be game ready. The coaching is failing them as well.

 

[Ndaccountant]

At some point you have to see that it's not just the player that is failing to improve or be game ready. The coaching is failing them as well.

Reps......eg was kellys qb, or so we are told. I think he is talented and can do some incredible things on the field. But it became apparent that putting it all on his shoulders wasn't the best call. I still think he could thrive in a more balanced offense.

 

[ulukinatme]

I've just never felt like Golson is a true QB. He's a gifted athlete, but not a gifted quarterback. He's amazing at making things happen when plays break down, but he's not going to break you down and beat you pre-snap. I think he's relied too much on his feet to keep things alive and has failed to grasp the position in it's entirety.

 

[GoldenDomer]

At some point you have to see that it's not just the player that is failing to improve or be game ready. The coaching is failing them as well.

We've been Kelly bashing for weeks

 

[Ndaccountant]

I've just never felt like Golson is a true QB. He's a gifted athlete, but not a gifted quarterback. He's amazing at making things happen when plays break down, but he's not going to break you down and beat you pre-snap. I think he's relied too much on his feet to keep things alive and has failed to grasp the position in it's entirety.

There are many systems that are one to two reads and rely on balance and misdirection to make it easy on the qb. With a proper scheme, you can hide those deficiencies.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

There are many systems that are one to two reads and rely on balance and misdirection to make it easy on the qb. With a proper scheme, you can hide those deficiencies.

Yup. I think BK puts way too much on his QBs and that's why you see the Dayne Crist deer in headlights look. Happens every game at least once with Golson. It happened a lot with Dayne too. Tommy was a very cerebral player so he seemed lost less often, but just wasn't athletic enough to make the big plays all the time. BK really needs to re-evaluate the amount of information he gives these QBs. Simple is almost always better...especially in college....especially at a college where the athletes actually go to class and study non-football related subjects.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Feel bad for Golson, but it is time to move on. I think it is going to be Malik or Kizer next year. Hopeful Golson does not fumble the clipboard. All the talent in the world, just cant get it together.

 

[rtrn2glory]

can't be anything but proud of this young man with the way he responded.

even if he decides to leave he left on a good note.

wouldn't be surprised either way he decides

 

[zbikowski88]

Hoping he returns to ND and comes in for relief like Rees did a few years back.

 

[Old Man Mike]

As for any player who has laid it out there in the Blue and Gold, I give appreciation for that service.

But Malik looks better, can see the field, and seems to have the football instincts.

 

[BoredIrish]

As for any player who has laid it out there in the Blue and Gold, I give appreciation for that service.

But Malik looks better, can see the field, and seems to have the football instincts.

I have now doubt Golson will be behind center to start 2015 and will attempt 50 passes.

You can't teach and old.coach new tricks. Golson is a better passer. Not saying it is right... But it is what Kelly is going to do.

 

[JD Irish]

Golson does not deserve to be badmouthed here. He has done a lot of good for ND football, and his coming back after last year says a lot about him. He also did some really good things today.

 

[ulukinatme]

I hope Malik gets the starting spot next year, for various reasons. He looked like a leader out there today, he took direction from his coach, and he did a pretty damn good job in his first start. Golson had some good moments as well, but I think he would do better as a relief type guy ala Tommy.

 

[NDRock]

Yup. I think BK puts way too much on his QBs and that's why you see the Dayne Crist deer in headlights look. Happens every game at least once with Golson. It happened a lot with Dayne too. Tommy was a very cerebral player so he seemed lost less often, but just wasn't athletic enough to make the big plays all the time. BK really needs to re-evaluate the amount of information he gives these QBs. Simple is almost always better...especially in college....especially at a college where the athletes actually go to class and study non-football related subjects.

Agree, I was never a big Dayne fan but I remember his first road game (against MSU). Instead of easing him into it, he has Crist throw the ball 50 times. It's crazy how pass-happy he can get.

 

[pumpdog20]

EG proved in the beginning of the year that he wanted to fight for Notre Dame (by coming back when he could have went somewhere else). At the end of the year, his fight was no less for his team. A lot of inconsistencies, but I appreciate his effort.

With that said, MZ should be the man IMO.

 

[koonja]

Malik is better with 1 games experience than golson is with 2 years as the starter and an off season with broomstick man. I don't see a debate.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Malik is better with 1 games experience than golson is with 2 years as the starter and an off season with broomstick man. I don't see a debate.

drunk.