'11 GA DE Stephon Tuitt (Signed Notre Dame LOI)

[Polish Leppy 22]

The VP flew to a NFL game with his wife on tax payer dime specifically to walk out when players knelt during the anthem. So this statement is ridiculous.

Hahaha...not even close. When you're the Vice President of the United States, politics is your job all day every day. My point, which you completely misconstrued, was that UPS drivers, tech folks, and nurses aren't allowed to stage a political protest at work in uniform.

If you want to talk hypocrisy, tell us how you feel about Kap making millions for himself thanks to slave labor in China. Then as icing on the cake, let's see how many media members are dumb enough/ have the balls to paint Tuitt as some kind of Unlce Tom.

Kap kneeling wasn't the only thing he did, either. He wore socks depicting cops as pigs and basically blasted our whole country on the 4th of July. So again...oppressed minority American but social justice warrior for Nike.

 

[Irish#1]

Hahaha...not even close. When you're the Vice President of the United States, politics is your job all day every day. My point, which you completely misconstrued, was that UPS drivers, tech folks, and nurses aren't allowed to stage a political protest at work in uniform.

If you want to talk hypocrisy, tell us how you feel about Kap making millions for himself thanks to slave labor in China. Then as icing on the cake, let's see how many media members are dumb enough/ have the balls to paint Tuitt as some kind of Unlce Tom.

Kap kneeling wasn't the only thing he did, either. He wore socks depicting cops as pigs and basically blasted our whole country on the 4th of July. So again...oppressed minority American but social justice warrior for Nike.

He's a huge farce. Supported Castro one of the biggest oppressors of the modern era.

 

[Irishize]

He's a huge farce. Supported Castro one of the biggest oppressors of the modern era.

Right. He’s changed his story since he got blowback about disrespecting the military & America as a country. Nate Boyer convinced him to kneel instead of sit. Fine but when you call America’s LEOs “pigs” & support Marxists like Castro (he double downed in an interview w/ a Miami reporter who happened to be of Cuban descent) & just recently tweeted about how horrible this country is before announcing his documentary deal. He’s a fraud. Good for him for cashing in I guess but I didn’t think Marxists were supposed to support or benefit from Capitalism. Oh that’s right....”rules for thee, but not for me”.

 

[TDHeysus]

Stephon Tuitt, the type of the person that the left HATES with the intensity of 30million Suns.

 

[ACamp1900]

He's a huge farce. Supported Castro one of the biggest oppressors of the modern era.

He’s a demoralized tool,... it’s really astonishing how many people now view him as this freedom fighter. Power of the media I suppose

 

[dublinirish]

Because many of us who served, or had brothers, uncles or fathers serve, feel kneeling for the national anthem is one of the most disgraceful things to do. I would back him doing any other protest but what he chose to do...IMO... makes him an asshole. He then proved to be an asshole when the league bowed under all of the pressure and created a dedicated workout in front of all the teams to try and get him back in the league. He chose to flex his big ego and move it at the last minute and, when teams didn't go to the new spot he picked, he said it is all their fault and no one ever intended to give him a fair shot. DOUCHEBAG!!

Even though the protest had nothing to do with the military and the form of protest was inspired after consultation with a respected military veteran? If that offended you the its obviously you just weren't listening or paying attention.

Also he moved the workout because the NFL would not let him tape the workout with an independent film crew and if not, at least let media come to workout. NFL denied both requests. Also they wanted him to sign a non standard Pro Day workout waiver which was highly irregular. Anybody in same boat would have made the same decision to protect themselves.

 

[Irish#1]

I personally thought he could have found another way to demonstrate. Possibly kneeling out in front of the team just before the anthem is played then stand when it started.

The bottom line is he has the right to do as he pleases (as the flag symbolizes), but he also has the right to accept the criticism that comes his way as a result of his actions. If he was a really good QB, he'd still be on a team. But when your average or below, the distractions his actions bring aren't worth the hassle to teams. Fans go to game to escape life for a few hours and don't want to have someone else's politics ruin their short interruption to life.

I applaud Tuitt for standing for his beliefs. He should expect some criticism as well, but I don't think it will be great.

 

[dublinirish]

I personally thought he could have found another way to demonstrate. Possibly kneeling out in front of the team just before the anthem is played then stand when it started.

The bottom line is he has the right to do as he pleases (as the flag symbolizes), but he also has the right to accept the criticism that comes his way as a result of his actions. If he was a really good QB, he'd still be on a team. But when your average or below, the distractions his actions bring aren't worth the hassle to teams. Fans go to game to escape life for a few hours and don't want to have someone else's politics ruin their short interruption to life.

I applaud Tuitt for standing for his beliefs. He should expect some criticism as well, but I don't think it will be great.

the way he demonstrated was altered from sitting to kneeling on the advice of a military veteran

also, the collusion case which the NFL settled with him says otherwise.

 

[Irish#1]

the way he demonstrated was altered from sitting to kneeling on the advice of a military veteran

also, the collusion case which the NFL settled with him says otherwise.

I'm aware he altered his stance on the advice of a veteran. Kneeling is actually a sign of respect, but most seem to have missed that.

How many lawsuits are settled because a payoff is cheaper than a long court battle? The NFL have deep enough pockets to fight this and drag it out for years draining Kapernick's pockets if they wanted to. The NFL is smart enough to know the fans don't want to keep hearing about him on a regular basis. Settling is the best route for them. Moral victory for Kapernick? On the surface it looks like it.

Aside from the one good season, he's not performed better than hundreds of other QB's that last 2-3 years and are gone. Outside of some serious criminal activity, the NFL will put up with a lot. If he were leading his team to 10+ wins every year, he'd still be playing.

 

[drayer54]

Proud of Tuitt! Especially since this University has become a progressive pit in many ways, it is good to see something positive like this!

 

[NDVirginia19]

the way he demonstrated was altered from sitting to kneeling on the advice of a military veteran

I think that 30% were going to be against him no matter what he did if he knelt or protested in any other way, but he pretty much threw out the chance of getting any sort of bipartisan support by the way he's acted since his protest began. I think that the problem with Kaepernick and the BLM movement as a whole is that they conflate the one most public issue they're against -- ending police brutality against black communities in our country -- with a whole bevy of other unsavory political opinions.

BLM on their website calls against the dissolution of the nuclear family and their leadership is made up of self proclaimed marxists. Kaepernick wore the bacon socks and praised Castro. Kaepernick has shifted the window on his brand from being anti-police brutality to full on anti-America. That's where Tuitt and players like Sam Coonrod find issue with the movements. I think if the issue was solely on anti-police brutality, you would start to see more public support around BLM and Kaepernick. Hell, you had republicans backing a bill in the senate with substantial reform that the left has been asking for for years, but it got shoved aside by the Dems because it wasn't all encompassing enough, didn't include medicare for all and reparations, etc.

 

[NorthDakota]

the way he demonstrated was altered from sitting to kneeling on the advice of a military veteran

also, the collusion case which the NFL settled with him says otherwise.

Settling should not be assumed to mean much of anything. People settle all the time for any number of reasons.

 

[Irishize]

I think that 30% were going to be against him no matter what he did if he knelt or protested in any other way, but he pretty much threw out the chance of getting any sort of bipartisan support by the way he's acted since his protest began. I think that the problem with Kaepernick and the BLM movement as a whole is that they conflate the one most public issue they're against -- ending police brutality against black communities in our country -- with a whole bevy of other unsavory political opinions.

BLM on their website calls against the dissolution of the nuclear family and their leadership is made up of self proclaimed marxists. Kaepernick wore the bacon socks and praised Castro. Kaepernick has shifted the window on his brand from being anti-police brutality to full on anti-America. That's where Tuitt and players like Sam Coonrod find issue with the movements. I think if the issue was solely on anti-police brutality, you would start to see more public support around BLM and Kaepernick. Hell, you had republicans backing a bill in the senate with substantial reform that the left has been asking for for years, but it got shoved aside by the Dems because it wasn't all encompassing enough, didn't include medicare for all and reparations, etc.

Well stated.

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/c...-the-competence-literacy-of-colin-kaepernick/

 

[ulukinatme]

I personally thought he could have found another way to demonstrate. Possibly kneeling out in front of the team just before the anthem is played then stand when it started.

The bottom line is he has the right to do as he pleases (as the flag symbolizes), but he also has the right to accept the criticism that comes his way as a result of his actions. If he was a really good QB, he'd still be on a team. But when your average or below, the distractions his actions bring aren't worth the hassle to teams. Fans go to game to escape life for a few hours and don't want to have someone else's politics ruin their short interruption to life.

I applaud Tuitt for standing for his beliefs. He should expect some criticism as well, but I don't think it will be great.

This. The whole kneeling thing would be a non-issue and forgotten about if players kneel immediately before, after, or both before and after the anthem. No one would have a problem with it. They want the controversy that kneeling during the anthem brings, they want it to stir up emotions and for the exposure.

 

[fightingirish26]

This. The whole kneeling thing would be a non-issue and forgotten about if players kneel immediately before, after, or both before and after the anthem. No one would have a problem with it. They want the controversy that kneeling during the anthem brings, they want it to stir up emotions and for the exposure.

The whole point was to create a conversation...not to be barely noticeable

 

[ulukinatme]

The whole point was to create a conversation...not to be barely noticeable

If the whole team kneeled together before, after, or both before and after the anthem it would still send a message. Imagine every coin toss being delayed as players knelt in unison. It would still be a part of every NFL broadcast and create plenty of conversation. Doing it during the anthem causes controversy though, which means even more clicks and more exposure.

 

[Irish#1]

If the whole team kneeled together before, after, or both before and after the anthem it would still send a message. Imagine every coin toss being delayed as players knelt in unison. It would still be a part of every NFL broadcast and create plenty of conversation. Doing it during the anthem causes controversy though, which means even more clicks and more exposure.

Kneeling during the coin toss is a great idea.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kneeling during the coin toss is a great idea.

I'm not even saying during the coin toss, although they could, I say do it before the coin toss. That way captains are involved too for solidarity and the coverage/commentators can acknowledge the delay. You still have a conversation that way then without all the controversy.

 

[dad4aa]

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[PraetorianND]

I think this whole conversation is really interesting, and also kinda dumb.

Saying, you SHOULDN'T be offended by something because intent was good is futile. Our intent wasn't to disrespect the flag, it was to bring awareness to our cause! As if that matters at all... I'd argue, that unless you are straight up trolling, most instances of offense are unintentional.

People care about stuff. People care about the flag and the National Anthem. People care about their religions, or their sports teams, or whatever it is. If you do something, whether intentional or not, that seems to disrespect that thing, they can and will get offended. You can't just tell them not to be offended because you weren't trying to disrespect anything. Disrespect is highly personal, and if they are upset about what you did, you disrespected it. It's subjective and not up to some person that gets to define how and when respect or disrespect is transferred.

How about this, next time you piss off your wife, tell her your intent was to bring awareness to your cause, or simply that it was unintentional. Then, continue to do it because you don't intend any offense. Tell me how that goes.

 

[TorontoGold]

I've seen arguments from people on both political sides about removing anthems from sports. What's IE's take on it? Keeps politics separate from sports, but removes tradition.

 

[dublinirish]

I think this whole conversation is really interesting, and also kinda dumb.

Saying, you SHOULDN'T be offended by something because intent was good is futile. Our intent wasn't to disrespect the flag, it was to bring awareness to our cause! As if that matters at all... I'd argue, that unless you are straight up trolling, most instances of offense are unintentional.

People care about stuff. People care about the flag and the National Anthem. People care about their religions, or their sports teams, or whatever it is. If you do something, whether intentional or not, that seems to disrespect that thing, they can and will get offended. You can't just tell them not to be offended because you weren't trying to disrespect anything. Disrespect is highly personal, and if they are upset about what you did, you disrespected it. It's subjective and not up to some person that gets to define how and when respect or disrespect is transferred.

How about this, next time you piss off your wife, tell her your intent was to bring awareness to your cause, or simply that it was unintentional. Then, continue to do it because you don't intend any offense. Tell me how that goes.

If someone is protesting something and you refuse to listen to or acknowledge the reasons for the protest then who's fault is that? Similarly if someone is protesting and you attempt to twist the narrative to discredit them and their motives then is that fair either?

 

[PraetorianND]

If someone is protesting something and you refuse to listen to or acknowledge the reasons for the protest then who's fault is that? Similarly if someone is protesting and you attempt to twist the narrative to discredit them and their motives then is that fair either?

You missed the point.

Some people did stuff that offended people. Telling them NOT to be offended because their intent was good, is silly. People don't need to subscribe to your intent, or your idea of respect. Whether or not you're offended by something is up to you.

A good example is abortion. When you say "pro-life" some people think saving babies, and others think misogyny, female oppression, etc. Telling a feminist that abortion is wrong is probably going to offend them. But, your intent was to save a baby so it's all good and they should just chill, right?

Telling a veteran that kneeling for the flag is actually respectful and they should just chill is the same thing.

 

[317Irish]

I think this whole conversation is really interesting, and also kinda dumb.

Saying, you SHOULDN'T be offended by something because intent was good is futile. Our intent wasn't to disrespect the flag, it was to bring awareness to our cause! As if that matters at all... I'd argue, that unless you are straight up trolling, most instances of offense are unintentional.

People care about stuff. People care about the flag and the National Anthem. People care about their religions, or their sports teams, or whatever it is. If you do something, whether intentional or not, that seems to disrespect that thing, they can and will get offended. You can't just tell them not to be offended because you weren't trying to disrespect anything. Disrespect is highly personal, and if they are upset about what you did, you disrespected it. It's subjective and not up to some person that gets to define how and when respect or disrespect is transferred.

How about this, next time you piss off your wife, tell her your intent was to bring awareness to your cause, or simply that it was unintentional. Then, continue to do it because you don't intend any offense. Tell me how that goes.

But when you see your wife repeatedly do something that you and your friends have a problem with, are you supposed to just complain about it or are you supposed to confront the issue by doing something that she may not like but will get her attention??? Wait... never mind... bad example. Disregard.

 

[NDVirginia19]

As long as ND doesn't drop the anthem or America the Beautiful, I really couldn't give a rats ass about what other teams do. I also wouldn't mind America the Beautiful being our new anthem if enough children get elected to congress that cave to the mob. It's a better song anyways.

 

[NDohio]

Since this has kind of turned into a conversation about disrespecting the flag, I am curious to the opinions of the board on altered US Flags. Like when a flag that has the black line in the middle of it(BLM), the blue line in it(Police), rainbow colors for the stripes(LGBTQ) or the face of a politician put onto the flag. I personally find all of these changes to the flag to be disrespectful to the US Flag. They are all making some sort of a statement for a specific group within our country. The flag is to represent the UNITED States and should NEVER be altered.

 

[dad4aa]

Since this has kind of turned into a conversation about disrespecting the flag, I am curious to the opinions of the board on altered US Flags. Like when a flag that has the black line in the middle of it(BLM), the blue line in it(Police), rainbow colors for the stripes(LGBTQ) or the face of a politician put onto the flag. I personally find all of these changes to the flag to be disrespectful to the US Flag. They are all making some sort of a statement for a specific group within our country. The flag is to represent the UNITED States and should NEVER be altered.

Bravo

 

[PANDFAN]

Since this has kind of turned into a conversation about disrespecting the flag, I am curious to the opinions of the board on altered US Flags. Like when a flag that has the black line in the middle of it(BLM), the blue line in it(Police), rainbow colors for the stripes(LGBTQ) or the face of a politician put onto the flag. I personally find all of these changes to the flag to be disrespectful to the US Flag. They are all making some sort of a statement for a specific group within our country. The flag is to represent the UNITED States and should NEVER be altered.

i have never understood anyone getting upset over a flag....i mean no disrespect to anyone who has served(i have many family members who are active duty), i just understand how some piece of cloth gets people so riled up...seems silly to me...i guess i just look at this argument like i tell my kids all the time....ignore whatever it is that their brother or sister are doing and they will stop...the fact people get so up in arms regarding this, just continues to make it a bigger issue

 

[dublinirish]

Since this has kind of turned into a conversation about disrespecting the flag, I am curious to the opinions of the board on altered US Flags. Like when a flag that has the black line in the middle of it(BLM), the blue line in it(Police), rainbow colors for the stripes(LGBTQ) or the face of a politician put onto the flag. I personally find all of these changes to the flag to be disrespectful to the US Flag. They are all making some sort of a statement for a specific group within our country. The flag is to represent the UNITED States and should NEVER be altered.

next thing you'll be asking for posters on here to return their US flag underpants

 

[greyhammer90]

Since this has kind of turned into a conversation about disrespecting the flag, I am curious to the opinions of the board on altered US Flags. Like when a flag that has the black line in the middle of it(BLM), the blue line in it(Police), rainbow colors for the stripes(LGBTQ) or the face of a politician put onto the flag. I personally find all of these changes to the flag to be disrespectful to the US Flag. They are all making some sort of a statement for a specific group within our country. The flag is to represent the UNITED States and should NEVER be altered.

Don't personally care. The flag represents about a million things to millions of people. Our country is proudly individualistic and distrustful of authority (or was). The attempt to make the flag a sacred cow that needs to be respected because of some built-in authority or obligation to the union kind of misses the point of the whole thing IMO.