Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

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IrishLax said:
Big 12 is fine to get 4 games in the middle of the season if that's all you need. Play Colorado, Kansas State, Utah, BYU, etc. those are all as good or better than the crap we see yearly in the ACC.

If you are able to maintain Stanford/USC + 3x Big Ten/SEC in September + 4x Big 12 you're at 9 P4 games + Navy as your baseline. That's fine. Maintaining USC does become very important though.
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Gross, I dont want to continue the path where the schedule goes to shit in October and November by shifting from one G7 league to another.

Go to a 4 auto bids league and make the playoffs every year.
 
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pumpdog20 said:
Gross, I dont want to continue the path where the schedule goes to shit in October and November by shifting from one G7 league to another.

Go to a 4 auto bids league and make the playoffs every year.
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If you don't want to play USC + Stanford + 3x BIG/SEC + ??? then the only choice is to join a conference "all in." There is no "independent" option for the ??? part of this, the Big Ten and SEC will only play you in the first part of the season. To curate a schedule of quality opponents in the middle-end of the season, you are going to have to have some sort of agreement with a second tier conference that will result in a percentage of those games being against "meh" teams. It's inevitable for the same reason playing Rutgers and Mississippi State is inevitable for power conference teams.
 
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I fully agree the sec and big ten are the premier leagues but they will never let us in as a partial member. The big 12 fills the acc void and gets you into texas for recruiting and also has Florida as well. Have to make some deals with marquee teams for long term deals like we did with Clemson but it would fill the void
 
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Bane said:
And the ACC burned through their goodwill with ND just so Miami can get worked over against A&M.


Yeah for a period there the ACC was probably the second best conference in the country. And the thing is, they don't even have a consistently good team year in and year out. Some years, FSU might be good, some years Clemson could put it together. I'm not a believer in Cristobal and I don't think he will build a consistent winner in Miami. Part of their sheer desperation is honestly this could be the best team Cristobal ever fields at Miami.

After that, it's a bunch of mediocre basketball schools.
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Please sweet little baby Jesus, let Mike elko run through the hurricanes like he would a free all you can eat buffet. All I want for the playoffs...
 
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IrishLax said:
If you don't want to play USC + Stanford + 3x BIG/SEC + ??? then the only choice is to join a conference "all in." There is no "independent" option for the ??? part of this, the Big Ten and SEC will only play you in the first part of the season. To curate a schedule of quality opponents in the middle-end of the season, you are going to have to have some sort of agreement with a second tier conference that will result in a percentage of those games being against "meh" teams. It's inevitable for the same reason playing Rutgers and Mississippi State is inevitable for power conference teams.
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You're talking to the guy who's been on the "join the Big Ten" train for years now.
The whole quasi-indepence thing has never been a sticking point for me.

And yes, there will be stinkers like Rutgers, Purdue, and Iowa (screw you hawkeye fans who's been giving crap all day).
But the schedule overall will be a lot better for season ticket holders (selfishly), and we can take advantage of one of four auto bids each year (as long as MFMF is here).
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Why? Screw the big, especially screw meat chicken
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There would literally not be a single marquee game ever come from it. No 2025 Miami. No 2010s Clemson. You’re at best hoping for a handful teams at the caliber of 2025 Pitt or like early 2020 UNC where you get no real credit for the win and only downside for a loss. With significantly more travel, less aligned brands. It would be looked as stepping down to an inferior deal. Just zero upside and pure desperation.
 
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pumpdog20 said:
You're talking to the guy who's been on the "join the Big Ten" train for years now.
The whole quasi-indepence thing has never been a sticking point for me.

And yes, there will be stinkers like Rutgers, Purdue, and Iowa (screw you hawkeye fans who's been giving crap all day).
But the schedule overall will be a lot better for season ticket holders (selfishly), and we can take advantage of one of four auto bids each year (as long as MFMF is here).
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Go look at Ohio State or Oregon's schedules this year. No better than ours.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Go look at Ohio State or Oregon's schedules this year. No better than ours.
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Wow, yeah, Ohio State did play Texas, to their credit, but their toughest Big 10 game was, what, @Illinois? @Michigan? Their closest conference games were 18-point victories. And we played two teams better than anyone they did, with a third (USC) comparable to their best opponent.
Oregon at least had Indiana and road trips to Penn State and Iowa.
 
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Just backroom deal all of this, start a new 32 or 48 team league and just troll espn and the sec. We'll call it the "college final playoff" or "CFP" for short. Brought to you by durex condoms. "You'll get fucked, as long as you deserve it" will be the motto.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Go look at Ohio State or Oregon's schedules this year. No better than ours.
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I looked at Ohio State, its a fair argument.
I then looked at 2026 Ohio State, and that looks awesome. More challenging, sure. But we're in a new era i feel with Freeman and are built for it.

We'd be in the playoffs right now because we'd have the Big Ten backing us i feel. In the future, we can take advantage of an auto bid by only placing top 4.
 
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pumpdog20 said:
I looked at Ohio State, its a fair argument.
I then looked at 2026 Ohio State, and that looks awesome. More challenging, sure. But we're in a new era i feel with Freeman and are built for it.

We'd be in the playoffs right now because we'd have the Big Ten backing us i feel. In the future, we can take advantage of an auto bid by only placing top 4.
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We'd be in the playoffs if we had won 1 of our first 2 games. We'd be in the playoffs if one out of a string of about 30 unlikely events didn't all happen in succession.

Fuck the ACC. I want out because they suck and also they were clearly trying to rig this shit to exclude us.

With that being said I would hold off on joining the B1G or SEC outright. Let's see how things play out next season. If we get jobbed again like this at some point then fine make the jump, until then though this may have just been a perfect storm that even allowed the SEC/ACC/ESPN treachery.
 
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Dale said:
There would literally not be a single marquee game ever come from it. No 2025 Miami. No 2010s Clemson. You’re at best hoping for a handful teams at the caliber of 2025 Pitt or like early 2020 UNC where you get no real credit for the win and only downside for a loss. With significantly more travel, less aligned brands. It would be looked as stepping down to an inferior deal. Just zero upside and pure desperation.
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Then join the sec,… literally screw the big sideways
 
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The shame is this was a year delayed from when they would have had more leverage, if Florida State and Clemson were still suing the ACC, you could dream up some real pressure. Neither still have a reason to make a move before 2030 anymore.

You’re possible result then could have been agreeing to annual matchups with both teams within a Big 12 five or six game deal. FSU and Clemson join the Big 12 as full time members. ACC likely crumbles as a result, others soon join Big 12 as well in the following years.
 
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Definitely on this board. He made a bet with 08 and then decided the only way to win the bet was to not play Burress. 08 should absolutely not be banned especially with portal and recruiting season coming up.
 
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If we could accelerate the collapse of the ACC on an faster timeline then some interesting options could be added to the table. I’m thinking we could maybe form an independent alliance of ex-ACC premier programs and sister institutions (Miami, FSU, Clemson?) and pull them into an NBC style agreement for football (in the mid-term).
 
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Don't TV networks dictate all of this? What does Fox want? If Fox wants ND playing more games vs. the Big Ten, why wouldn't the Big Ten follow orders and agree to some deal that would allow that?
 
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stlnd01 said:
I'm not opposed to us joining the Big Ten. I just don't think we were left out this time because we were independent. We were left out because we were in a three way fight with two other teams, one of which beat us head-to-head and the other of which was Alabama.
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Yeah and for anyone who thinks being in a conference guarantees we'd come out ahead in these fights, ask BYU how that worked out for them. You can say, "well, we're different, we're Notre Dame," but it would seem to me that loops us back around the "arrogance" we get accused of all the time. 2 losses is basically always going to put you on the bubble in a 12 team format, the only guaranteed way in is to win your games.
 
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IrishTusker said:
Don't TV networks dictate all of this? What does Fox want? If Fox wants ND playing more games vs. the Big Ten, why wouldn't the Big Ten follow orders and agree to that?
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The only leverage I can think we have out of the ordinary that we’ve maintained for years is the B1G made a pretty large gaffe signing with CBS. Yes CBS is paying them money but it allowed ESPN to stack SEC (and the occasional ACC/ND) back to back to back on Saturdays. ABC is completing dominating ratings in a way they never have because of it. Both Fox and NBC absolutely need an answer to the triple header on ABC.
 
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Dale said:
The only leverage I can think we have out of the ordinary that we’ve maintained for years is the B1G made a pretty large gaffe signing with CBS. Yes CBS is paying them money but it allowed ESPN to stack SEC (and the occasional ACC/ND) back to back to back on Saturdays. ABC is completing dominating ratings in a way they never have because of it. Both Fox and NBC absolutely need an answer to the triple header on ABC.
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CBS and NBC has to be pretty pissed about how shitty their product is right now. Particularly NBC which is getting saddled with trash like Minnesota matchups in their prime time slot.
 
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