Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I want us to think bigger. If we have to do something, let’s lead and create something new.

Pick the bones of the ACC after we burn it down, merge it with the big 12. You could have 28 teams in 4 geographic conferences. We can either be in it, or the founding, but non-football member.

Each team plays every team in its conference, then last week of the season, each team plays its mirror from one of the other conferences, then the two top ones left standing play a true CCG. Sounds dope, and would be a huge upgrade for both the Big 12 and remnant ACC teams.

Yeah, I know it’s not the big ten or SEC teams, but you’d get some pretty good strength in there, a couple cans of corn to push around, and it would be the first super conference that WE created and had a vested interest in, so we won’t be fucked by it. Get NBC and fox to split the broadcast rights, and bobs your uncle.

 

[NorthDakota]

I want us to think bigger. If we have to do something, let’s lead and create something new.

Pick the bones of the ACC, merge it with the big 12. You could have 28 teams in 4 geographic conferences. We can either be in it, or the founding, but non-football member.

Each team plays every team in its conference, the last week of the season, each team plays its mirror from one of the other conferences, then the two top ones left standing play a true CCG. Sounds dope, and would be a huge upgrade for both the Big 12 and remnant ACC teams.

This would be gross.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I've never been much for the big SEC media bias conspiracy theories but watching the games and commentary the last week or two has been pretty gross.
The Texas hype when they beat A&M. The complete avoiding any discussion of how mediocre Oklahoma was, while endlessly pitting Notre Dame and Miami against one another. And then when Bama was getting just skullfucked last night, Kirk Herbstreit, of all people, was going on and on about how Bama shouldn't be "penalized" for losing a "bonus game" (funny but I'm old enough to remember when the SEC title game was basically the national championship for some people).
All of it tilts in favor of one conference.

The non conspiracy way to explain SEC bias is that it’s just true that the SEC was top to bottom better in the pre NIL era and that’s not true anymore but the brand identity it and most of its schools built is persistent, and because every ranking system needs some sort of anchor to figure out what teams are or aren’t good to avoid things like navy being ranked in the top 10, that bias becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[IrishinSyria]

This would be gross.

I don’t know about gross but it definitely wouldn’t work for anything but football.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

You people lack imagination

 

[ab2cmiller]

You people lack imagination

18 sucks already

 

[IrishinSyria]

Ok, I’ve got an idea. Let’s take the 32 teams with the best football histories. Let’s divide them into two conferences—call it the American Football Colleges and the National Football Colleges-and further divide those conferences into three regional divisions. Let’s have each team in a division play each other twice a year along with a handful of mostly in conference games. At the end of the year, let’s have a 16 team playoff with a bracket consisting of the 8 best American Football Colleges schools on one side and the 8 best National Football Colleges schools on the other.

 

[DillonHall]

Why do some people still want to remain independent? I don’t get the value other than “tradition” aka being a dinosaur. It clearly doesn’t help us win national championships. I don’t think independence helps in recruiting but it sure can hurt if other teams emphasize what just happened to us. We owe it to our student athletes to give them the best opportunity to compete for national championships

 

[CoachB]

I like the idea of the Big 12. We would run that league and you would have a presences in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Ohio.

 

[MacIrish75]

I want us to think bigger. If we have to do something, let’s lead and create something new.

Pick the bones of the ACC after we burn it down, merge it with the big 12. You could have 28 teams in 4 geographic conferences. We can either be in it, or the founding, but non-football member.

Each team plays every team in its conference, then last week of the season, each team plays its mirror from one of the other conferences, then the two top ones left standing play a true CCG. Sounds dope, and would be a huge upgrade for both the Big 12 and remnant ACC teams.

Yeah, I know it’s not the big ten or SEC teams, but you’d get some pretty good strength in there, a couple cans of corn to push around, and it would be the first super conference that WE created and had a vested interest in, so we won’t be fucked by it. Get NBC and fox to split the broadcast rights, and bobs your uncle.

It would be hilarious and peak ND for us to found a 28 team conference and then still not join for football.

 

[SouthernLeprachaun]

Why do some people still want to remain independent? I don’t get the value other than “tradition” aka being a dinosaur. It clearly doesn’t help us win national championships. I don’t think independence helps in recruiting but it sure can hurt if other teams emphasize what just happened to us. We owe it to our student athletes to give them the best opportunity to compete for national championships

At this point it's the principle of the thing. We just got screwed because of it for no reason at all, and caving would just prove everyone right about us the whole time...

Eventually we might need to join a conference (or ideally form our own), but as long as there are alternatives, then let's hold our ground (and keep the benefits of the thing, like not having any home noon games-good luck avoiding those in the B1G)

 

[IrishTusker]

They know it’s them or sticking with the ACC. Why would they allow us to get special treatment? I certainly think OSU in Michigan wouldn’t be fans of that arrangement.

Basically, because we're a valuable brand in their main footprint and could make them money. I don't mind joining as a full member, though, if membership for all sports but FB isn't possible.

 

[BleedingGold]

Why not just add a 13th game to the schedule.

 

[NorthDakota]

I like the idea of the Big 12. We would run that league and you would have a presences in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Ohio.

You want to associate with a Frankenstein league made up of never weres and G5 schools?

 

[GATTACA!]

Neither. Fuck all of these cunts.

 

[stlnd01]

I like the idea of the Big 12. We would run that league and you would have a presences in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Ohio.

But the Big 12 sucks. Why would we want to play Arizona and Iowa State and Texas Tech all the time?

 

[IrishBryan77]

It absolutely is time. It's been time for 20 years now. Big ten.

 

[GATTACA!]

But the Big 12 sucks. Why would we want to play Arizona and Iowa State and Texas Tech all the time?

Why do we want to play NCST, Duke, and Virginia all the time?

Why would we want to play Rutgers, Illinois, and Maryland all the time?

 

[DillonHall]

Seriously give me some reasons why we should be independent. I’m genuinely curious. How does that help us win a national championship?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

It would be hilarious and peak ND for us to found a 28 team conference and then still not join for football.

See, somebody gets it!

 

[NorthDakota]

Why would we want to play Rutgers, Illinois, and Maryland all the time?

Because for whatever reason it means more if it counts as a conference game lol. It really is all very silly.

 

[SouthernLeprachaun]

If we join a conference (which I'm opposed to), the first qualification for me is a heavily reduced, or ideally eliminated, presence on ESPN... looking at current contracts, that puts the B1G and Mountain West in tier 1, and then the Big 12, CUSA, and Pac-12 in tier 2... obviously not all of these are viable options, but it gives an added push in the B1G's favor against the SEC

 

[CoachB]

But the Big 12 sucks. Why would we want to play Arizona and Iowa State and Texas Tech all the time?

Because we would run that league and always have a high seed for the playoffs. Besides, I wouldn't mind road games at Arizona St or in Texas or Florida. Great for recruiting.

 

[Bane]

Why do some people still want to remain independent? I don’t get the value other than “tradition” aka being a dinosaur. It clearly doesn’t help us win national championships. I don’t think independence helps in recruiting but it sure can hurt if other teams emphasize what just happened to us. We owe it to our student athletes to give them the best opportunity to compete for national championships

Because once we join a conference, we eventually become just another team and we lose our seat at the table. Right now our AD sits at the table with conference commissioners and we have outsized influence for just one program (but still not as much as the collective power and money of ESPN and the conferences they own). We lose our ability to do what is best for us and we give a piece of ourselves over to a group of jackals.

Do we really want to be beholden to morons like Jim Phillips and be (in part) at the mercy of welfare/poverty programs like Rutgers or Syracuse? The B1G is trying to force a shitty PE deal on their members. And look at the ACCCG fiasco, their best team almost didn't make the cut because of their stupid tiebreakers.

And I think the assumption from pro-conference people is that once we join we'll be welcomed in with a seat at the head of the table. I'm not as convinced. I think a lot of these conferences and their members resent us and would look at our joining their collective bargaining consortium as capitulation and bending the knee.

And yeah, sometimes the price of independence is ending up on the short end of a political and corrupt, money driven process. It sucks but we were in the NCG last year and a couple of plays going are way this season from hosting another playoff game.

 

[DillonHall]

Hopefully this is indeed a unique situation (lack of upsets, several 10-2 teams, losing head-to-head to another bubble team) but we can’t stay independent if it consistently hurts our chances to win a national championship. We can’t just stay independent because it makes us feel special

 

[ACamp1900]

I used to half joke about creating our own conference with any even half academic minded schools,… now I’m serious, the LA schools, Vandy, the academies, GT, Duke, Stanford, Cal, Cuse, Miami, UNC etc,… have a east and west division and call it a day.

 

[Bane]

Hopefully this is indeed a unique situation (lack of upsets, several 10-2 teams, losing head-to-head to another bubble team) but we can’t stay independent if it consistently hurts our chances to win a national championship. We can’t just stay independent because it makes us feel special

In the last 15 years we've been to one BCS NCG, 2 4 team playoffs, and we were just in the national title game last year. I know it sucks to miss out this year because this is a really, really good ND team that could have won it all, but once you lose two games you put yourself at the mercy of the politicians. The message is don't lose two games. Don't leave it to chance.

Also, I would argue that being independent doesn't make us feel special, it's quite literally a large part of what does make us special. It's part of who ND is and one day we may have to give that up but we will lose part of our identity in the process.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Understand these comments about independence from everyone, but Notre Dame will never "lose its identity" about anything of real importance. AND, if we fear any opponents, we are not Notre Dame -- and we will NOT fear anything in this anyway. Notre Dame will attempt, without fear, to beat the crap out of anyone on the field of play, and if we are not of that mind, will not win a championship. I trust the integrity of my school in the midst of lack of integrity in all others.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

They've said that? How do we know that?

His source is ND2008.

 

[IrishBryan77]

How about this

Oolitic Owls, Cedar Knob Knights, Terhune Tigers, Linton Wildcats, South Bend Central Bears, Verdi Hornets, Lyons, Holland, Dugger Bulldogs, Madison, Birdseye

Throw in Notre Dame and Hickory of course and make a super conference