'12 VA S C.J. Prosise (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[FLDomer]

What did Mahone run? I know this belongs on Mahones thread but since we are talking 40s (and not the delicous beverages). Thank you gentlemen!

 

[Kak7304]

Turner allegedly ran a 4.5 40 for ND's coaches and, IIRC, his Shuttle time is sub-4.0. That's how he earned his offered.

Over the last two cycles, this staff has only brought in 3 players that at least have the athleticism to challenge the 4 and 5 guys.

This is a great point. I believe there is a huge difference between a 3-star who has played football all his life and has received good coaching along the way at a powerhouse high school compared to a 3-star who never stepped foot on the field until his junior year of high school or played for an average football program. The former doesn't have much room to grow and improve while the latter can be just as good as the 4/5-stars. The 3-stars Kelly has brought in tend to be tremendous athletes, Turner, Prosise, Farley, etc. who have great potential if coached up. I'm a huge fan of this recruiting strategy and Kelly's reliance on Longo to help evaluate the prospects.

 

[Grahambo]

I love potential in a kid. The 40 yard dash is a tad overrated in my opinion. I like to see shuttle times, cone drills, etc. Film is also important. Just look at Chris Badger's film, that dude is a ball hawk and a hard hitter. Give me a 3* kid with loads of potential who needs some coaching and has a strong heart and desire for it over a 5* who thinks he knows it all.

Just my opinion about it all.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

His coaches words:

“He’s not rated as high because with classes six days a week, it’s just hard for our kids academically to go to all those different combines and camps to be evaluated,” said Alexander of Prosise. “That three-star rating is a joke. Everybody next fall is going to go, ‘Oh my God, where did this kid come from?’ ”

 

[rtrn2glory]

i think if he would have been rated as an athlete by the services he would have been rated a 4*...imo

 

[NDhoosier]

good for us then, I just hope he can live up to the hype... I dont mind what our recruiting class ranks, I just want the players we get to be valuable and perform well on the field.

 

[military_irish]

No one knows how this kid will turn out. Especially since he has not even stepped on campus yet. He has the tools to be good, but it is up to him to capitalize on those skills.

I would hope his coach would be behind him. Would be kind of weird he the coach said " yeah he is okay, the 3 star is about right. Hope he becomes a good back up at Notre Dame."

 

[Emcee77]

Something that's gotten lost in this discussion is what the coach actually said. If he had just said that Prosise is a great player, better than he looks on film and better than his measurables, I would tend to agree that what the coach says is pretty worthless. But the coach also threw out the important fact that Prosise missed a lot of combines, etc. because of school. If that's true, maybe his rating is a little deflated. So I definitely don't think it's fair to write off whatever the coach says, even facts which are objectively verifiable; you just take the rah rah stuff with a grain of salt.

But to be fair, even if Prosise WAS accurately rated, it wouldn't tell us that much about how good he'll be. We'll see once Kelly and Longo get ahold of him (especially Longo ... I'm hoping his speed numbers improve once he gets some college strength/fitness training).

 

[IrishLax]

Here's what's funny.....

Colin is 100% right about HS coaches pumping up their players. It happens in every sport. It's their job.

But then he devolves into the epitome of arrogance and ignorance on the talents of CJ Prosise. He speaks in total platitudes and paints broad strokes about Bruce Heggie or how much more intelligent he is.... all the while failing to even acknowledge, much lest respect, some obvious truths about CJ.

1. He runs a sub-11 second 100, has a great vertical, is roughly 6'1.5" tall, has a good frame to add muscle, etc. He has very good to elite athletic traits for a safety.
2. He has incredible ball skills.
3. He's an intelligent kid with the right kind of work ethic.
4. He plays against really crappy private school competition and most of his shortcomings noted by actual experts come from his poor technique. There is not one soul out there that knows what his ceiling is... so to say you're "not a fan" is as ignorant as saying "he's the next Ed Reed!"
5. The couple times he did participate in 7on7 he had multiple interceptions... a couple of them circus grabs.

In short, in my completely worthless opinion CJ Prosise should probably be something like a low 4 type of athlete or safety. He's basically Alex Carter but with less innate athleticism and more "nose for the ball" in him. People I've talked to who have played against or coached against have had nothing but rave reviews. He has a sick highlight reel despite teams hardly ever throwing to his half of the field. We're lucky to have him. He could end up being a total boss. Or he could end up being passed up by other guys in this class. Of course no one knows what will happen. And that's why no one wants to sit here and listen to a small time Ohio sports "fan" act like he's the only person with correct perspective on the matter.

 

[IrishLax]

Something that's gotten lost in this discussion is what the coach actually said. If he had just said that Prosise is a great player, better than he looks on film and better than his measurables, I would tend to agree that what the coach says is pretty worthless. But the coach also threw out the important fact that Prosise missed a lot of combines, etc. because of school. If that's true, maybe his rating is a little deflated. So I definitely don't think it's fair to write off whatever the coach says, even facts which are objectively verifiable; you just take the rah rah stuff with a grain of salt.

But to be fair, even if Prosise WAS accurately rated, it wouldn't tell us that much about how good he'll be. We'll see once Kelly and Longo get ahold of him (especially Longo ... I'm hoping his speed numbers improve once he gets some college strength/fitness training).

Exactly...

 

[Rhode Irish]

No way -- a high school coach who thinks his player is a five-star and the services missed on him? You don't say!

I'm sure Heggie's coach was convinced he was the next Jason Babin and we were all just haters.

Who knows how Prosise will turn out. I know I'm not a huge fan of him, but I'm willing to bet he pans out somewhere below "ZOMG! HE'S AN ED REED CLONE" and, say, Lee Lafayette.

I don't totally disagree with your point here, but would you acknowledge that there are varying degrees of praise offered by high school coaches about their players? In other words, nobody expects him to say "I don't know what ND was thinking; he isn't a BCS caliber player"; but he could qualify his praise with "if things break right for CJ", or just be less effusive by saying "CJ is a really good player, and I can see him contributing for the Irish"?

It is a little like letters of recommendation by a professor or an old boss - nobody would write a LOR trashing someone, so mildly supportive letters aren't all that persuasive but when the writer gushes about the candidate that tends to hold a little more weight. If the guy is a serious football guy, he values his reputation as a talent evaluator (which will be useful for him going forward if he wants to have college coaches listen to him about his players). And if he values his reputation as a talent evaluator, he isn't going to go way over the top praising his players. He can say something nice and appreciative and move on.

I don't know that we can pencil CJ into the starting lineup for the next four years solely based on his coach's comment, but I wouldn't totally dismiss what the coach is saying, either. I can see where what he is saying has some merit - if CJ flew beneath the radar of the scouting services because of where he played, it is totally possible that he is better than the services gave him credit for.

As I said, I do get what you and some others are saying and I don't totally disagree. But I don't get why you have to come across as so demeaning and angry about it. It makes it seem like this is personal for you in some way. Can't we just take the comment for what its worth and see how CJ develops? I think the kid has nice upside potential. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of player he turns out to be.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

love the passion from everyone on here about ND football, but sometimes it's disappointing the way people go at and attack each other.. go irish

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Is that not a revelation to one's true inner nature?

Tom is always kind, even when who he is addressing isn't.

Keep the love and passion coming Shark.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Here is his signing day video. He seems like a good kid and is thicker than I thought. The video also gives you a good picture of what Woodbery Forest is like (and consequently, why scouts may be a little suspicious of the competition).

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Great addition to the class. GO Irish!!!

 

[Grahambo]

Here is his signing day video. He seems like a good kid and is thicker than I thought. The video also gives you a good picture of what Woodbery Forest is like (and consequently, why scouts may be a little suspicious of the competition).

I think this is a case where it wasn't so much as game tape as it was the measureables. I read that BK wasn't too high on Prosise until they saw his workouts.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think this is a case where it wasn't so much as game tape as it was the measureables. I read that BK wasn't too high on Prosise until they saw his workouts.

Could you explain that? I don't doubt it. Plus, comparing his measurables now, to his measurables then, is apples to oranges. He got offered as a junior basically.

 

[NDisme]

Here is his signing day video. He seems like a good kid and is thicker than I thought. The video also gives you a good picture of what Woodbery Forest is like (and consequently, why scouts may be a little suspicious of the competition).

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Great addition to the class. GO Irish!!!

Thats my Hat, hes wearing my hat, great hat, get a lot of compliments on that one.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Anyone else notice that he is left handed? And that his mom keeps his paperwork organized? His offer lists contains enough of the teams that make a living out of picking good raw talent for me.

 

[Grahambo]

Could you explain that? I don't doubt it. Plus, comparing his measurables now, to his measurables then, is apples to oranges. He got offered as a junior basically.

I'm struggling to find the article. I promise that's what I read. My mind could also be playing games on me.

 

[BeauBenken]

He's a lefty.

 

[TerryTate]

Won 2 VISAA events yesterday in indoor track:

Long Jump: CJ Prosise (WF) 21-4 ½

55M: CJ Prosise (WF) 6.57


VISAA indoor track and field results | Richmond Times-Dispatch

 

[BeauBenken]

Atta boy CJ!

 

[IrishLax]

6.57 is really legit. Like really, really legit. 55m used to be my bread and butter in HS and that's a pretty elite time.

Wouldn't have won in the public school state meet... but still a very good time.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I was watching Reggie Brooks signing day analysis and Brooks absolutely loved CJ.

CJ is going to be a player.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

He could end up playing a hybrid position, LB/Safety at 216.

Prosise Packs On Strength

 

[STLDomer]

Very surprising

 

[NDPhilly]

Staff wants him lose a little. I'm thinking they may try him at corner. I think he's a perfect FS though.

 

[STLDomer]

Looks like a corner but this if Scout is right makes it impossible for him to play Corner
Scout.com: C.J. Prosise Profile

Can't play corner with bad hip flexibility


Could start at Nickel Hybrid in 2013 if keeps weight or lose some and start at FS if he can pass Hardy

 

[beryirish]

.Q&A with C.J. Prosise - Notre Dame Football Blog - ESPN

Q&A with C.J. Prosise

May, 31, 2012
9:00
AM ET

By Matt Fortuna | ESPN.com

C.J. Prosise knows the challenges ahead of him. The three-star prospect from Woodberry Forest, Va., is one of four safety commits in Notre Dame's 2012 recruiting class. Set to enroll at his new school June 18, Prosise has been doing all he can to be ready for a chance to get on the field this fall. We recently caught up with Prosise to talk about his path to South Bend, Ind.



What's the feeling like now, about a month away from getting to school?

C.J. Prosise: Right now just getting ready, preparing myself, running on the days I work out and working out on the days I work out and every day get better, trying to get better every day.

Do you know what you're going to major in yet?

CP: I haven't decided yet. I'm just going to try to get up there and figure out what I can choose from there.

How much have you been in touch with some of the other recruits so far?

CP: At the spring game, I knew some people going in, but I really didn't know them that well. Then after that weekend we got to know a lot of the guys, like Chris Brown, Will Mahone, even some of the new recruits from the other class. I definitely got to know some other guys better, guys I had met before, so it was nice doing that.

Have you been in touch with a lot of the early enrollees now, and have they been able to tell you what it's been like practicing with the team?

CP: Yeah, I talk to some of them. They tell me Notre Dame's going to be a hard transition, I'm going to have to work, so they definitely said it's a hard transition at school but they eventually get it.

How do you keep your ground when you see your future teammates taking part in spring practice?

CP: I've been doing track. I already know that I'm coming in behind, and everybody's already been through it there. So really what I'm doing right now is just preparing myself physically so I'll be able to come in and be able to compete once I get there.

I'm sure you've seen some of the current Notre Dame football players have some success on the track team. Has that crossed your mind yet?

CP: Maybe down the road I'll think about that. I'm not really a track runner. I just do it to get better. I have a really good coach here who's been helping me out a lot with my speed -- my speed and kind of just helped me with workouts. I really wasn't thinking about running track. I really haven't like learned how to do one thing in track I'm really good at or anything like that. So right now track's not on my mind, at least not until later in my career, maybe sophomore or junior year.

There are no shortage of safety commits to the Irish this year. What's the challenge like competing with so many of your peers at that position?

CP: It's definitely hard because everybody's coming here and you want to get that playing time and you want to be on the field, and you don't want to get redshirted. But then you think about: It's going to be hard to be like friends off the field, you know? There's so much competing on the field, it's going to be hard to be cool with your peers and stuff. But I think that we'll be able to overcome that and become friends off the field first and always keep the competing on the field.

Did you return punts or kicks last year, or both?

CP: Actually it was both. I did both punts and kicks, but punt returns are what I'm kind of skilled at more.

I'm sure, like everyone else, you saw how Notre Dame struggled in that department last year. Do you feel that might be an area that can allow you to get on the field early?

CP: Yeah, they definitely talked about it a lot. If I can be ready to come in in shape, they said they want me out there to help out some of it if I could, on the punt returns.

Any background or family ties to Notre Dame?

CP: Really I would think my brothers (Eric and Tyrone), they were both pretty big Notre Dame fans when they were kids, and I've always been kind of a Notre Dame fan, but I just always knew they were there and how good of a program they've been and how good of a school it was.

Did your brothers play football?

CP: They played in high school.

How did you all fall in love with Notre Dame?

CP: I would say it was probably the main reason I committed to Notre Dame was a feeling that it was right for me. I knew they were on TV all the time, but I didn't know they had a contract, that every game was on national television. But a lot of it was just kind of a feeling that I should commit to Notre Dame.

What was your reaction to getting an offer, and what were your brothers' reactions?

CP: I wasn't shocked because they were talking to me for a while, they said they had a lot of interest. But I would say their reaction was just ... they were definitely excited. It was actually really weird. When I actually got the offer, I walked back to my dorm room. I got into my room, my phone's ringing, and I answered it. My brother starts talking and then I tell him I get offered at Notre Dame and he's like 'What?' He called at the perfect time, so that was kind of like a sign. (Laughs.)

 

[ChiRish]

Bright kid. I'm pumped to think about the athleticism we're going to have at safety. And hopefully between him and Neal, the 12 class will have a stud punt returner too, to go along with GAIII in the KR department.