Deontay to Houston Discussion

[coogs08]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

 

[BobD]

He followed his HS coach. Oh Well. Good luck to him. Let's move on and get excited about this year! We have some outstanding young men and a challenging schedule that will be a lot of fun to watch.

 

[SaltyND24]

Their handling of Rios, Ekanem and Andrades frustrates me and I do think that we dropped the ball on those three, the others, ehh, don't really care. Trust me, I want to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but I do feel like they have made some crucial, yet correctable mistakes.

As a fan I do want the best guys and would never trade Lynch and Tuitt, but we have now seen that we can't pull the coup every cycle so a more conservative approach recruiting MAJOR postitons of need may be in order. I would rather have some three and four star corners/receivers that are firm than rely to heavily on a couple of five stars (that are looking around). I'm just concerned and frustrated with their approach...

I agree with that 100%...maybe take one less than what you want to take and save just 1 slot for that elite prospect at that position...

 

[Kanye West]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

Houston is a community college and Greenberry went there for a Houston Degree.
Get out.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm mad, but it would be very hypocritical to condemn Deontay for a similar act as our celebrated QB. BK will have to win with what we have.

Just wish we had added 1 more WR, CB and OL to this class.

I think you're right that its similar but here is why I think it's not. (if that makes any sense)

1. Gunner didn't do it on NSD, thereby leaving LSU with time to find another option if they desired
2. Gunner wasn't committed to LSU for anywhere near as long as Deontay was committed to ND.
3. Gunner didn't string his cousin along
4. QB was arguably not a position of dire need for LSU as compared to ND needing a stud WR. They have a young QB ready to step in.
5. Obviously I'm biased, but ND actually has something objectively better to offer than LSU. Houston has little to offer him in comparison to ND.

I'm sure I can think of more

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

I did.

Take a look at how Houston compares to ND for degree value. African-American football recruits can expect to earn roughly 4 x as much with a degree from ND than UH.

And that's fine. Not every kid picks a school based on academics.

But when one of your coaches has the gall to say that "[Deontay] realized the value of a Houston degree" as a reason for his decommitment from Notre Dame, you should expect that statement to be scrutinized.

 

[NDinFL]

Robby Toma @RobJob293

If they don't wanna be here..let em go!! Welcome to all the signees!..ppl gonna talk, in the end all we got is eachother! Let's do this #ND

Couldn't have said it better myself Robbie

Don't want to be here? Well don't let the door hit ya on the way out

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

lololololololol

this is why:

Houston's AA GSR (46%), AA 30y ROI ($417,956), and Racial GSR Disparity (33%) are among the worst in the BCS. ND offered Deontay ~4 times the degree value.

 

[coogs08]

I did.

Take a look at how Houston compares to ND for degree value. African-American football recruits can expect to earn roughly 4 x as much with a degree from ND than UH.

And that's fine. But when one of your coaches has the gall to say that "[Deontay] realized the value of a Houston degree" as a reason for his decommit, you should expect that statement to be scrutinized.

I agree that a ND degree definitely has a better reputation...but to compare UH to ITT Tech is a bit much.

 

[NDinFL]

Maybe he wants to sell used cars

 

[Mr. Larson]

So DGB had previously announced he was deleting his facebook and changing his number today...presumably to get back some degree of anonymity. Playing ball for Houston will get him 1,000x more mileage than either of those moves.

 

[gkIrish]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

I almost agreed with you because I know Houston has a very good law school. Then I looked at rankings and realized Houston isn't ranked at all on the U.S. News Report. In other words, academically, people are justified in questioning one of Deontay's reasons for flipping--that he thought he could have better opportunities

 

[Grahambo]

I almost agreed with you because I know Houston has a very good law school. Then I looked at rankings and realized Houston isn't ranked at all on the U.S. News Report. In other words, academically, people are justified in questioning one of Deontay's reasons for flipping--that he thought he could have better opportunities

That's the point. One thing to say he went because he felt football was better, playing time, blah, blah, blah but once you say he decommitted from Notre Dame to attend Houston because of academics is beyond stupid.

 

[Ironman8]

I think you're right that its similar but here is why I think it's not. (if that makes any sense)

1. Gunner didn't do it on NSD, thereby leaving LSU with time to find another option if they desired
2. Gunner wasn't committed to LSU for anywhere near as long as Deontay was committed to ND.
3. Gunner didn't string his cousin along
4. QB was arguably not a position of dire need for LSU as compared to ND needing a stud WR. They have a young QB ready to step in.
5. Obviously I'm biased, but ND actually has something objectively better to offer than LSU. Houston has little to offer him in comparison to ND.

I'm sure I can think of more

1. No, but he did it on the eve of his EE, which cost them another recruit who wanted to EE
2. I just don't really think this is that important. A commit is supposed to be a commit.
3. He talked to his cousin before he signed his LOI.
4. LSU did need a QB in this class. Not sure why you think they didn't. Go on their boards if you want to see if their fans think they could have passed on a QB this year.
5. They each cited more comfort. That is something subjectively better for each recruit. Much more important to a teenager IMO.

 

[tussin]

LOL I didn't see that quote from DGB. That's pretty hilarious.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

I often defend other schools when the gang go off about the value of a degree, and i simply point out the strengths of a particular program, etc. But there is simply no comparison between going to Notre Dame and Houston. None. Zero. Deciding to go to Houston over Notre Dame is so incredibly moronic that I don't even know what to say. Houston. HOUSTON!!!!

It's literally unbelievable. I pray that he sees the light and transfers to Notre Dame sooner rather than later.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I agree that a ND degree definitely has a better reputation...but to compare UH to ITT Tech is a bit much.

To be fair, Houston's 30y Return for Graduates is in the top 50% of the BCS; so the quality of the education isn't bad, per se. It's primarily Houston's inability to graduate a respectable % of its players that makes it a poor academic choice for prospective recruits.

And I never called it ITT Tech. Just rubbed me the wrong way when Christian mentioned the "value of a Houston degree" as a reason for Deontay's decommitment from ND.

 

[SaltyND24]

Sorry, I'm not here to cause trouble...but to all of you bashing UH, how many of you actually went to school and got your degree from Notre Dame? I expected some elitism, but wow. You guys are even worse than Longhorn fans in this regard, didn't think that was possible.

Check, and I don't have to be an elitist to know that Houston isn't in the same galaxy as Notre Dame when it comes to education...

 

[coogs08]

I didn't realize that he himself said he chose Houston over ND based partly on academics. If he did, then I understand why you all are upset.

 

[greyhammer90]

salty that picture is awesome

 

[gkIrish]

I didn't realize that he himself said he chose Houston over ND based partly on academics. If he did, then I understand why you all are upset.

He said something about the value of his degree. Thank you for apologizing. Good luck to your program. I have no ill-feelings towards the program at all (unless there was something shady going on)

And yeah, I'm an alum too plenty of us are. Doesn't matter anyway

 

[NDJimmy]

Is it true that consumption of a certain amount of Unripeberry will cause diarrhea?
That explains why I have the squirts right now.

 

[arrowryan]

This really was a heartless thing to do buy Deontay. Not to us fans but to his cousin Tee. How do you say that you are going to follow your cousin where ever he goes and then ditch him on NSD. Thats tells me that Deontay has no repect for Tee. Its just sickening.

Also, it was an epic fail by the coaching staff. How you lose a 5* recruit to Houston is beyond me.

On the bright side, maybe or chances of getting Neal just got better

 

[ohara831]

Picking up my little girl from school and listening to Bill King and JC Shurburtt on 247. Said the Greenberry flip to Houston was the biggest NSD shocker in recent memory. Bill said since CJ Leake announced for Wake Forest out of the blue back 14-15 years ago.

 

[SaltyND24]

salty that picture is awesome

Thank you sir...the culmination of THE best decision I've made in my life to date

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I didn't realize that he himself said he chose Houston over ND based partly on academics. If he did, then I understand why you all are upset.

Coach Christian stated that in Houston's Signing Day Live Blog today; not Deontay.

It was probably just standard coach speak, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Kak7304]

This really was a heartless thing to do buy Deontay. Not to us fans but to his cousin Tee. How do you say that you are going to follow your cousin where ever he goes and then ditch him on NSD. Thats tells me that Deontay has no repect for Tee. Its just sickening.

Someone made a great point earlier that Tee gave up his senior season of high school because of trying to play with Deontay. Hell of a way to repay your cousin and best friend.

 

[gkIrish]

1. No, but he did it on the eve of his EE, which cost them another recruit who wanted to EE
2. I just don't really think this is that important. A commit is supposed to be a commit.
3. He talked to his cousin before he signed his LOI.
4. LSU did need a QB in this class. Not sure why you think they didn't. Go on their boards if you want to see if their fans think they could have passed on a QB this year.
5. They each cited more comfort. That is something subjectively better for each recruit. Much more important to a teenager IMO.

Fair points except
3. From what I understand, he simply informed him what he was doing. That's not the same as getting his blessing or whatnot. Tee's dad was quoted as saying he doesn't understand. Tee's family sounds pissed.
5. A point I made in a different post is that I find it hard to believe he could feel more comfortable somewhere he visited less than a week ago. It's foolish that temporary comfort would cause someone to decommit. Gunner has visited ND many times and has family members who played football for the program. He didn't make a rash decision

 

[Ironman8]

Someone made a great point earlier that Tee gave up his senior season of high school because of trying to play with Deontay. Hell of a way to repay your cousin and best friend.

The new high school also allowed him to EE, the old one did not. So let's stop making this out to be that he switched high schools and didn't play football directly because of Deontay.

 

[aubeirish]

This really was a heartless thing to do buy Deontay. Not to us fans but to his cousin Tee. How do you say that you are going to follow your cousin where ever he goes and then ditch him on NSD. Thats tells me that Deontay has no repect for Tee. Its just sickening.

Also, it was an epic fail by the coaching staff. How you lose a 5* recruit to Houston is beyond me.

On the bright side, maybe or chances of getting Neal just got better

Not sure what the coaches could have done more. The kid made a decision.