A Letter to Brian Kelly

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Man, reading this thread makes me want to take a vacation from IE. I too was deeply saddened by the last second loss Saturday night, but not to the point of blaming individuals. When ND wins, no one complains that we only won because of coaching, play calling, or individual players. It's the same thing IMO. I try to live my life, raise my kids & teach my players this... If you can't say it after a win, don't do it after a loss. It's a game of inches. I didn't like the final, but it was great to have a shot at win for 60 minutes. I am sure Coach Kelly will find things that he could have done differently while studying film. However, he had less than 10 seconds to make his decisions, not a day or two like us fans. Calling for, or even hinting at his firing, sickens me. This is a successful coach that came here to help turn things around. He wasn't drafted, he came because he wanted to be a part of ND. I will venture a wild guess that each of us will make a minimum of 3 critical mistakes at work this week. It has been studied by sociologists. It showed how people minimized their own mistakes and maximized others. Come on people, ND fans are not the status quo! There are some extremely intelligent people on here (TT, BGIF, OMM just to name a few, there are many more), but we seem to be over run with SEC type fans. That will kill a program quicker than a bad 3rd down call. IMO
 

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Man, reading this thread makes me want to take a vacation from IE. I too was deeply saddened by the last second loss Saturday night, but not to the point of blaming individuals. When ND wins, no one complains that we only won because of coaching, play calling, or individual players. It's the same thing IMO. I try to live my life, raise my kids & teach my players this... If you can't say it after a win, don't do it after a loss. It's a game of inches. I didn't like the final, but it was great to have a shot at win for 60 minutes. I am sure Coach Kelly will find things that he could have done differently while studying film. However, he had less than 10 seconds to make his decisions, not a day or two like us fans. Calling for, or even hinting at his firing, sickens me. This is a successful coach that came here to help turn things around. He wasn't drafted, he came because he wanted to be a part of ND. I will venture a wild guess that each of us will make a minimum of 3 critical mistakes at work this week. It has been studied by sociologists. It showed how people minimized their own mistakes and maximized others. Come on people, ND fans are not the status quo! There are some extremely intelligent people on here (TT, BGIF, OMM just to name a few, there are many more), but we seem to be over run with SEC type fans. That will kill a program quicker than a bad 3rd down call. IMO

well said and i agree.....may need to take a vacation from this site. some of the supposed irish fans are really irritating to say the least. fair weather fans stink.
 

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I get so sick of people putting the blame on the coaches all the time and acting as if they could call plays better than Kelly does, get real people!!! Kelly isnt the one fumbling, throwing interceptions, or missing tackles that should be made!
Our playes were in the right place many times and did not make the plays. Our team has to get over the "whats going to happen now" syndrome and get mentally tough.
We have had some bad breaks with the ball slipping out of Tommy's hand and causing a fumble that bounced into the hands of Michigans QB for a TD but thats part of the game.
I have faith in Kelly and our palyers that they will bounce back against MSU and run the table! If they dont I will be there cheering them on every week because I LOVE my IRISH and what they and our University stand for.
 

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Man, reading this thread makes me want to take a vacation from IE. I too was deeply saddened by the last second loss Saturday night, but not to the point of blaming individuals. When ND wins, no one complains that we only won because of coaching, play calling, or individual players. It's the same thing IMO. I try to live my life, raise my kids & teach my players this... If you can't say it after a win, don't do it after a loss. It's a game of inches. I didn't like the final, but it was great to have a shot at win for 60 minutes. I am sure Coach Kelly will find things that he could have done differently while studying film. However, he had less than 10 seconds to make his decisions, not a day or two like us fans. Calling for, or even hinting at his firing, sickens me. This is a successful coach that came here to help turn things around. He wasn't drafted, he came because he wanted to be a part of ND. I will venture a wild guess that each of us will make a minimum of 3 critical mistakes at work this week. It has been studied by sociologists. It showed how people minimized their own mistakes and maximized others. Come on people, ND fans are not the status quo! There are some extremely intelligent people on here (TT, BGIF, OMM just to name a few, there are many more), but we seem to be over run with SEC type fans. That will kill a program quicker than a bad 3rd down call. IMO

Excellent post.
 

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Man, reading this thread makes me want to take a vacation from IE. I too was deeply saddened by the last second loss Saturday night, but not to the point of blaming individuals. When ND wins, no one complains that we only won because of coaching, play calling, or individual players. It's the same thing IMO. I try to live my life, raise my kids & teach my players this... If you can't say it after a win, don't do it after a loss. It's a game of inches. I didn't like the final, but it was great to have a shot at win for 60 minutes. I am sure Coach Kelly will find things that he could have done differently while studying film. However, he had less than 10 seconds to make his decisions, not a day or two like us fans. Calling for, or even hinting at his firing, sickens me. This is a successful coach that came here to help turn things around. He wasn't drafted, he came because he wanted to be a part of ND. I will venture a wild guess that each of us will make a minimum of 3 critical mistakes at work this week. It has been studied by sociologists. It showed how people minimized their own mistakes and maximized others. Come on people, ND fans are not the status quo! There are some extremely intelligent people on here (TT, BGIF, OMM just to name a few, there are many more), but we seem to be over run with SEC type fans. That will kill a program quicker than a bad 3rd down call. IMO

Well said!
 

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Man, reading this thread makes me want to take a vacation from IE. I too was deeply saddened by the last second loss Saturday night, but not to the point of blaming individuals. When ND wins, no one complains that we only won because of coaching, play calling, or individual players. It's the same thing IMO. I try to live my life, raise my kids & teach my players this... If you can't say it after a win, don't do it after a loss. It's a game of inches. I didn't like the final, but it was great to have a shot at win for 60 minutes. I am sure Coach Kelly will find things that he could have done differently while studying film. However, he had less than 10 seconds to make his decisions, not a day or two like us fans. Calling for, or even hinting at his firing, sickens me. This is a successful coach that came here to help turn things around. He wasn't drafted, he came because he wanted to be a part of ND. I will venture a wild guess that each of us will make a minimum of 3 critical mistakes at work this week. It has been studied by sociologists. It showed how people minimized their own mistakes and maximized others. Come on people, ND fans are not the status quo! There are some extremely intelligent people on here (TT, BGIF, OMM just to name a few, there are many more), but we seem to be over run with SEC type fans. That will kill a program quicker than a bad 3rd down call. IMO

Negged for not including me in your list of extremely intelligent people.

Other than that, a very well writtten post.
 

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Hey! I'm smart! I graduated 4th in my class, and all three of us remain very good friends.

Great post bigedefense!
 

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For those of you that have Bk on so called "fraud alert." I offer you this:

@NDRivals:"Turnovers aren't just part of Kelly's DNA. His CMU team in '05 and his Cincy team in '09 led the nation with just 10 lost for the year."
 

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Guys, you need to go back and look at the opening thread. I never said Kelly should be fired. I never said I'm jumping ship. I never said turnovers we're a part of his DNA. I never even said I could have built a better game plan (although I certainly wouldn't have run on all of the third downs when we obviously couldn't do it). If you all think this is part of what I said then you need to open your eyes.

All I'm saying is that when things start falling apart and the players are trying but nothing seems to go their way, you have one place left to look. And the stronghold should always be the coach.

When the game comes down to it, and both sides (the coaches and the players) made 50% of the mistakes, the coach needs to admit he messed up. He's been there. He's much more mature, he's had more experience, and he gets paid millions to do what he does. When Kelly said that no one on this team was good enough to win yet, that's putting the blame somewhere else. He needs to step up and admit that despite everything that went wrong, if he would have put his foot on the accelerator and put this thing away, it would all be moot. But as it is, he didn't. He got soft (he himself admitted he needs to find his killer instinct, so don't say I'm wrong about that) at the end and tried to get out "without losing," not with the win. They are two very different things.

For those of you screaming how this post is all about firing Kelly or that he's a fraud or that I am somehow a fair weather fan for pointing out the truth before Kelly came out and said the same things about himself, then you need to go back and start from the beginning.
 

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Personally, I still back BK 100%. Yeah I am ticked at the way things are going, but it is quite obvious he is too. Plus anyone who has watched this team practice can't seem to get their heads around what is going on. My best guess...
Dayne's problem is one of decisiveness and accuracy and the turn of events shook him in that first half of game 1
Tommy has the quicker decisiveness and the more accurate arm (generally), but he is just a Sophmore and will continue to improve. I think some of his mistakes in the last couple weeks seem to be in line with lack of experience at this level and should improve over time like any other QB.
The D has played pretty well for about 80% of game 1 and 75% of game two. We knew the secondary was questionable going into all this. The lapses that led to the super long gains on their passing attack were the most troubling aspect. We knew going into this one that we wanted to contain DR as best as possible but figured he would make a few things happen with his feet.
Special teams is still in the WTF range...seriously a 25 yard punt when we really really needed a good one...also, he finally booms one but not of our guys are expecting him to so he kinda outkicked the coverage...don't even get me started on returns
Overall, we have a pretty good team that is making a few mistakes and then getting stuck in quicksand (see the movie "The Replacements" w/ Keanu Reeves). last year, they bonded in adversity set upon them by fate, now they need to pull it together in the face of adversity that is part luck, part, fate, and a large chunk of their own making.

I figure we get out of the season with about 4 losses...
 

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I think I would've been ok with the title "A Letter to Motta, Harrison and Gray"
 

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When the game comes down to it, and both sides (the coaches and the players) made 50% of the mistakes, the coach needs to admit he messed up. He's been there. He's much more mature, he's had more experience, and he gets paid millions to do what he does. When Kelly said that no one on this team was good enough to win yet, that's putting the blame somewhere else. .

Wasn't his line "...that includes the coaches"?

I thought that is what I read anyway
 

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will we ever put the responsibility to WIN on the players of Notre Dame? EVER?
time to stop blaming whoever the coach is. we have serious problems and the players at ND need a KICK IN THE ***.
no heart
no pride
you can delude yourself and blame the HFC at ND all you want but the real probelm for us is unfortunatley a lot deeper than that.
its in the players mindsets and psyche and teir is no game plan or X and O to correct it.
our beloved program is in DEEP TROUBLE if a proven college HFC like kelly cant even win here.
theres a reason Urban passed on us the first time...he knew then he couldnt win with ND the way it is and it would be a thankless job )(being tasked to win vs other BCS schools with one hand tied behind his back).
 

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Agree with you on making players have more responsibility in losing, but Kelly knows he has to change the last decade and half of the culture of losing before we move ahead. I hope for once we as fans can be patient because Kelly is not a loser nor will he allow it to continue.
 

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I don't think any reasonable person can think that this thing can turn around that quick. Winning is a culture and a culture needs to be created from the foundation up....we will get some wins- here and there- however, consistent winning will take time to build.
 

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Wasn't his line "...that includes the coaches"?

I thought that is what I read anyway

That is what he said. It's in my opening post. The point that I was trying to make is that although blame falls on all parties, he is the one who is the captain. He should be the one who the players can lean on to adjust when things are going awry and he didn't do it.

I'm not taking any blame away from anybody. I'm just steeping more on Kelly because of the fact that: 1) he is the coach, he is getting paid big bucks to right the ship; 2) he has experience in winning and should have never made the same third down call over and over; 3) he tried to pass the blame on guys who didn't deserve it (most of the players with the exception of a few we can all name); 4) he took his foot off of the accelerator and coached not to lose instead of coaching to win, and that is how you lose... especially when you are Notre Dame and there is no team anyone would love to beat more than Notre Dame.

Blaming Kelly for his calls is not a cop out. It's not sparing the players.

I'll say it again: the one person we should be able to count on to pick us up when everything is falling apart is the coach. Can players do it? Yes. But they have to be put in the position, and the person who should have put them there didn't.



Let me make one thing clear: I love Brian Kelly. I think he is the answer. I'm calling him out because I saw what I think is unnacceptable out of a coach of his calibur. Anyone who thinks otherwise can look at my posts last week when it felt like I was the only one defending him. I don't want him fired. That was contorted from someone else's words and attributed to me.

I am a lifelong Notre Dame fan and considering that I was 2 when they won their last national championship, that means I have seen nothing but hard times. Friends and family leave me alone when Notre Dame loses. The guys at work won't bring it up because they know how I hurt for this team. Thank God yesterday was 9/11 because it made me realize some things are bigger than Notre Dame. It's ridiculous how much I invest in this team and I know it, but I couldn't change it if I wanted to. I am an incurable optimist, but what I saw Saturday was unnacceptable. The fact that Kelly backed up what I was saying in his press conference should be enough for you guys to understand that I'm not simply venting, I'm trying to figure why this team can't win.

That's how I see it. Disagree if you want. You won't be the first or the last, and I don't know you enough to let it affect me.

I like most of the posters on here and I've read this site religiously since 2005 (about the time I escaped dial-up). I've kept my mouth shut for the most part, hence the post count, and only spoke up when I felt it was needed. If you disagree, then we agree to disagree.

I'm not pointing at any one specifically, I'm just disappointed in the direction this discussion immediately went and respectfully asking it be shut down.

Mods, you can do what you decide is best.
 

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BK's Cincy teams scored more than 40 points 6 times in his last year there (they scored 70 once). Of their 12 wins, only 4 were by fewer than 10 points...two of those wins were to ranked teams. The assertion that Kelly doesn't know how to turn the dagger is, in my opinion, wrong headed.


As I have said, we're better than we were last year. That's due, in large part, to Kelly.

Point 1: We have more than 1000 total yards of offense. That's absurd.
Point 2: The offensive line is dominating at times. That's new. Hasn't happened in 10 years.
Point 3: The defense, which had a terrible 4th quarter, has been much improved in the last 6-7 games.
Point 4: Denard Robinson is, regrettably, really good. He killed us.
The BCS expectations were clearly off. But, we're improving.


no he's not. he overthrew and underthrew for most of the night and got extremely lucky. all he can do is run. i'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but this game is far from him being really good. he got lucky, plain and simple.

our game plan worked, the bounces didn't go for us and our db's didn't turn toward the ball on underthrown passes. i highly doubt that those passes were by design. they were wounded ducks.

we did a good job of containing denard and making him beat us with his arm.
 

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Just curious.....do you expect to play in a BCS/National Championship every year? By expect...I mean realistically expect. Not trolling here....but I've followed Brian Kelly since his GVSU days. The guy can coach....bit of a loose cannon but he can coach. On the other hand, this team lost to Tulsa (yeah I know injuries) and got thoroughly beat by Navy.....is the expectation really a BCS appearance with roughly the same team back? Again not trolling.....just wondering the general mindset of your fan base.
 

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Just curious.....do you expect to play in a BCS/National Championship every year? By expect...I mean realistically expect. Not trolling here....but I've followed Brian Kelly since his GVSU days. The guy can coach....bit of a loose cannon but he can coach. On the other hand, this team lost to Tulsa (yeah I know injuries) and got thoroughly beat by Navy.....is the expectation really a BCS appearance with roughly the same team back? Again not trolling.....just wondering the general mindset of your fan base.

any coach with an fbs team should have that kind of goal in place. but the realist in most of us know that this team is just not there.....yet. this is bk's 2nd season and he really only has one recruiting class under his belt. i think when he gets all of his RKG's on the roster (and i mean that all of weis's guys have graduated, etc.), then i truly feel we will see the fruits of brian's labor.

but until then, we need to endure the growing pains, the ups, the downs, etc. i think our fan base tends to be illogical and expect the bcs caliber team year in and year out and don't take recruiting into consideration and how it has affected this program since holtz left.

once we have a good coach (which i believe we do w/bk) and a solid foundation of players (front line players w/depth), that's when we will be on track to have faith that we will be a bcs caliber team year in and year out.
 

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any coach with an fbs team should have that kind of goal in place. but the realist in most of us know that this team is just not there.....yet. this is bk's 2nd season and he really only has one recruiting class under his belt. i think when he gets all of his RKG's on the roster (and i mean that all of weis's guys have graduated, etc.), then i truly feel we will see the fruits of brian's labor.

but until then, we need to endure the growing pains, the ups, the downs, etc. i think our fan base tends to be illogical and expect the bcs caliber team year in and year out and don't take recruiting into consideration and how it has affected this program since holtz left.

once we have a good coach (which i believe we do w/bk) and a solid foundation of players (front line players w/depth), that's when we will be on track to have faith that we will be a bcs caliber team year in and year out.


With all do respect before we can speak with any creditability about becoming a BCS contender we have to have consistent respectability and competitiveness. This is something we have been lacking for a decade and more. We have to crawl before we walk. I would be happy with not being the but of jokes every other week. Seriously the last thing I want is a repeat of whatever the year was we played captain cough syrup in the sugar bowl(2006)? If we get to BCS game I want it to be legitimate not because we travel well or have pretty uniforms or get good ratings. I want a gangster team ready to whip some SEC ***. We are light years from that now.
 

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The sad part of this all is 6 plays turned 2 blowouts into 2 losses. Somehow Vegas doesn't like Sparty all that much this weekend since we are 5 point favorites, which is puzzling to me.

In those 6 plays if we punch it in we are on this board claiming we are not only back but NC contenders. THe other plays I just scratch my head were the 3rd & 1s running into the teeth of the defense. Floyd, Eifert, Riddick, Jones et al can't get you one yard in the air?
 

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Just curious.....do you expect to play in a BCS/National Championship every year? By expect...I mean realistically expect. Not trolling here....but I've followed Brian Kelly since his GVSU days. The guy can coach....bit of a loose cannon but he can coach. On the other hand, this team lost to Tulsa (yeah I know injuries) and got thoroughly beat by Navy.....is the expectation really a BCS appearance with roughly the same team back? Again not trolling.....just wondering the general mindset of your fan base.

I for one do NOT beleive we are BCS ready ...YET. I think we are still trying to lay down the infrastucture (D-Line, Speed, Discipline). How about you (re Sparty)?
 
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With all do respect before we can speak with any creditability about becoming a BCS contender we have to have consistent respectability and competitiveness. This is something we have been lacking for a decade and more. We have to crawl before we walk. I would be happy with not being the but of jokes every other week. Seriously the last thing I want is a repeat of whatever the year was we played captain cough syrup in the sugar bowl(2006)? If we get to BCS game I want it to be legitimate not because we travel well or have pretty uniforms or get good ratings. I want a gangster team ready to whip some SEC ***. We are light years from that now.

how is what i said any different than what you said? i concur with you and think we are on the same page.
 

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I for one do NOT beleive we are BCS ready ...YET. I think we are still trying to lay down the infrastucture (D-Line, Speed, Disipine). How about you (re Sparty)?

Well...MSU does have a good Football history....but it's been a LONG time since we've been consistent and that's frustrating. Northwestern has been to the Rose Bowl TWICE since MSU's been there last!! That's not acceptable. I don't think the bar is set for BCS YET with MSU....I'd be happy with consistency ala Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.....average 8/9 wins a year, top 25 rankings, then start worrying about bigger prizes. I think Dantonio is the right guy for the job though.
 

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Well...MSU does have a good Football history....but it's been a LONG time since we've been consistent and that's frustrating. Northwestern has been to the Rose Bowl TWICE since MSU's been there last!! That's not acceptable. I don't think the bar is set for BCS YET with MSU....I'd be happy with consistency ala Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.....average 8/9 wins a year, top 25 rankings, then start worrying about bigger prizes. I think Dantonio is the right guy for the job though.

It is tough waiting for a progam to be built up over time.

MSU does have a good history- and I think talent wise is in the top 1/3 of the big10. If they (MSU) would play every game as hard as they play the Irish then i think you guys would see the Rose Bowl more often.
 

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Geez, we have horrible fans. Two games and everyone is jumping ship. I'm confused by the loses as much as anyone, but I'm not ready to start comparing him to Weis and call for his job.

I agree. Let the season play out and give this guy some time. He doesn't have his prototypical qb in there yet. This lose was bad, but how soon we forget Weis's shortcomings. Of course, if we lose to Navy again then perhaps I'll change my tune.
 
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