'12 MO WR Dorial Green-Beckham (Missouri Commit)

[NDinL.A.]

That's exactly it. Assuming a recruit is literate and doesn't have a learning disability, I think the vast majority of football players can succeed at ND if they're willing to work hard. The academic support available to them is staggering.

They can get a tutor to show up for them at 3 am.

I agree with you whiskey to a large extent. These classes are hard though. I'm not saying we have a bunch of Einsteins, or even close to it, but I am saying it takes more than just being literate. Yeah, it takes hard work, but there are plenty of guys out there who are literate with no learning disabilities who simply have skated through school their entire lives with the help of many enablers who don't have the skills to succeed at a place like Notre Dame. There's no 'football majors' to help them out.

At Michigan, when Harbaugh called them out, there were something like 70-80% of the football players all in the same major - kinesiology. Then they were embarrassed by it so they eventually got most their players into 'general studies'. And then they got called out on it again, so about 70% of their players are back in kenisiology (sp). At ND, they don't hide their athletes.

So yes, they get phenomenal help, but so do most schools. The difference at ND is that they truly care about getting those kids graduated with a meaningful degree in 4 years. And unfortunately, there are many kids out there who don't have the requisite skills to succeed at ND, and it hurts ND in recruiting. But that's OK. There are plenty of kids like Daniels and Lynch who will put the work in to better themselves in life and in football...

 

[ND NYC]

"3 am tutors at ND?"

que the "scandal mongers" in 3...2...1

 

[BGIF]

That's exactly it. Assuming a recruit is literate and doesn't have a learning disability, I think the vast majority of football players can succeed at ND if they're willing to work hard. The academic support available to them is staggering.

They can get a tutor to show up for them at 3 am.

The vast majority are willing to work hard in the weight room and on the field but that number doesn't hold up when looking at academic commitment. The academic support is excellent but the student still have to expend the effort, have the talent, and the ability. Paddy Mullen was told by ND Admissions he had to improve his grades and his work effort. He did and got in. Many others didn't.

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

I agree with you whiskey to a large extent. These classes are hard though. I'm not saying we have a bunch of Einsteins, or even close to it, but I am saying it takes more than just being literate. Yeah, it takes hard work, but there are plenty of guys out there who are literate with no learning disabilities who simply have skated through school their entire lives with the help of many enablers who don't have the skills to succeed at a place like Notre Dame. There's no 'football majors' to help them out.

At Michigan, when Harbaugh called them out, there were something like 70-80% of the football players all in the same major - kinesiology. Then they were embarrassed by it so they eventually got most their players into 'general studies'. And then they got called out on it again, so about 70% of their players are back in kenisiology (sp). At ND, they don't hide their athletes.

So yes, they get phenomenal help, but so do most schools. The difference at ND is that they truly care about getting those kids graduated with a meaningful degree in 4 years. And unfortunately, there are many kids out there who don't have the requisite skills to succeed at ND, and it hurts ND in recruiting. But that's OK. There are plenty of kids like Daniels and Lynch who will put the work in to better themselves in life and in football...

Michigan, and alot of other Universities.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

"3 am tutors at ND?"

que the "scandal mongers" in 3...2...1

Parietals. A female tutor entering a male dorm at 3 am would be very risky for the player involved.

If and when such 3 am meetings occur, they probably meet in LaFun, CoMo, or the library.

 

[peredonov]

This "very close source" is a customer of mine and she spends every Mon-Fri with him. Ill stop there.

Fair enough, so assuming it's true, it stills sounds like a repetition of the same old anti-ND b.s. that comes from competing universities. If he's a good kid, which I've heard he is, ND will take him and he'll be fine there.

If she's a teacher, then I think it's a shame that she would say that. Defeatist teachers produce average students at best.

 

[ACamp1900]

What wrong with majoring in kinesiology... if I had to do it again, I would go for it... PE teachers have sweet gigs.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What wrong with majoring in kinesiology... if I had to do it again, I would go for it... PE teachers have sweet gigs.

Kinesiology, also known as human kinetics is the scientific study of human movement. Kinesiology addresses physiological, mechanical, and psychological mechanisms. Applications of kinesiology to human health include: biomechanics and orthopedics, rehabilitation, such as physical and occupational therapy, as well as sport and exercise..[1] Individuals who have earned degrees in kinesiology can work in research, the fitness industry, clinical settings, and in industrial environments.[2] Studies of human and animal motion include measures from motion tracking systems, electrophysiology of muscle and brain activity, various methods for monitoring physiological function, and other behavioral and cognitive research techniques .

Real major, tough field, in a good program, a great pre-med major. Here is the point: Michigan's was a scam program. Two wide receivers that I can think of were Kines majors, and when tested by the NFL considered functional illiterates. Good field of study, bad program at an amoral football school.

 

[D-BOE34]

Fair enough, so assuming it's true, it stills sounds like a repetition of the same old anti-ND b.s. that comes from competing universities. If he's a good kid, which I've heard he is, ND will take him and he'll be fine there.

If she's a teacher, then I think it's a shame that she would say that. Defeatist teachers produce average students at best.

+1 sir

 

[peredonov]

+1 sir

thanks!

 

[ThePiombino]

Fair enough, so assuming it's true, it stills sounds like a repetition of the same old anti-ND b.s. that comes from competing universities. If he's a good kid, which I've heard he is, ND will take him and he'll be fine there.

If she's a teacher, then I think it's a shame that she would say that. Defeatist teachers produce average students at best.

This is both untrue and irrelevant. Nothing wrong with a teacher being a realist. ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, let's say said student isn't an academic dynamo. Why should he be encouraged to attend a school that is out of his scholastic ability? I'm a smart guy, did well in high school and college, but I even attempted to go to Harvard or Yale and study Pre Law, I'd have been bounced out of there week 1. Not everyone belongs everywhere.

Now don't get me wrong- I want to see DGB in an Irish uni more than any other recruit this cycle. However, I wouldn't want one to two good seasons on the field if it means the kid ultimately can't handle the load and responsibilities of being a student-athlete at ND. God forbid he is forced to drop out, or is academically forced out, and winds up not getting an education and not making it to the NFL. Then what? Is our greed really worth it?

I'm just saying- imagine this was your kid and not the #1 recruit in the nation. As much as we would all WANT our kid to go to Notre Dame, if you felt he/she was not "up for it" academically, would you push them to do that, or would you aim a little lower so as to maximize his/her chance(s) of success?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Now don't get me wrong- I want to see DGB in an Irish uni more than any other recruit this cycle. However, I wouldn't want one to two good seasons on the field if it means the kid ultimately can't handle the load and responsibilities of being a student-athlete at ND. God forbid he is forced to drop out, or is academically forced out, and winds up not getting an education and not making it to the NFL. Then what? Is our greed really worth it?

Can you name some situations where that has happened in recent memory at Notre Dame?

DGB, should he choose the Irish, would be choosing a great school academically. But it's not like the team is a bunch of brainiacs as it is. I'm not knocking them at all, but their ACT scores and whatnot are substantially lower than the regular student body.

Not only that, but does not Notre Dame have the highest graduation rate in Division I? It would seem to me that while the school may require you to study, they have a damn good program set up for their student athletes to succeed. I don't care how tough it is, numbers say that if you get in there with a football scholarship, you will leave with a degree or as a draft pick.

 

[TerryTate]

This is both untrue and irrelevant. Nothing wrong with a teacher being a realist. ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, let's say said student isn't an academic dynamo. Why should he be encouraged to attend a school that is out of his scholastic ability? I'm a smart guy, did well in high school and college, but I even attempted to go to Harvard or Yale and study Pre Law, I'd have been bounced out of there week 1. Not everyone belongs everywhere.

Now don't get me wrong- I want to see DGB in an Irish uni more than any other recruit this cycle. However, I wouldn't want one to two good seasons on the field if it means the kid ultimately can't handle the load and responsibilities of being a student-athlete at ND. God forbid he is forced to drop out, or is academically forced out, and winds up not getting an education and not making it to the NFL. Then what? Is our greed really worth it?

I'm just saying- imagine this was your kid and not the #1 recruit in the nation. As much as we would all WANT our kid to go to Notre Dame, if you felt he/she was not "up for it" academically, would you push them to do that, or would you aim a little lower so as to maximize his/her chance(s) of success?

Never happens

Look, it's not hard to get through ND. With all the mandatory study / tutoring sessions these guys go through, they would have to try to fail. Kelly showed he's serious about the academic side. Duval was not invited to the bowl game because he dicked off in the classroom. If DGB decided to come to ND - he would get in, and he would succeed.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Can you name some situations where that has happened in recent memory at Notre Dame?

Never happens

Exactly..

 

[ThePiombino]

Never happens

Look, it's not hard to get through ND. With all the mandatory study / tutoring sessions these guys go through, they would have to try to fail. Kelly showed he's serious about the academic side. Duval was not invited to the bowl game because he dicked off in the classroom. If DGB decided to come to ND - he would get in, and he would succeed.

Fair enough, I hope this is true. Would love to see him thrive at ND both on the field and in the classroom!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

ND prides itself on academics, family, football, tradition...so that does make it very appealing to some, and not appealing to others. Its tougher to get in, yet ND has the resources for those who do get in to succeed. Athletes are probably given more tools to use than the average student. With that said, I agree with the person who said it is harder to get in to ND than most schools but isn't any harder. The key is if a player can adjust to actually doing homework and studying, plus football. I mean in high school none of us 'had' to study and we did just fine. College is a brand new ball game.

But if the #1 recruit in the nation wants to come to ND...there will be a way to get him in and for him to succeed off the field, reguardless of his act/sat/gpa lol.

All is quiet on this front. I do know that Durron Neal/Gunner/DGB have wanted to play together, so that leaves OU has his leader by common sense. The main thing is just working around DGBs high school schedule as well has his important priorities in his life. If we can get him to campus then I think he will see the differences. Plus, I would think Zeke Motta's father/Zeke will be a advantage bc DGB can get legit info to make his decision from someone his guardian trusts.

Thats my 2 cents/

 

[enrico514]

This is both untrue and irrelevant. Nothing wrong with a teacher being a realist. ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, let's say said student isn't an academic dynamo. Why should he be encouraged to attend a school that is out of his scholastic ability? I'm a smart guy, did well in high school and college, but I even attempted to go to Harvard or Yale and study Pre Law, I'd have been bounced out of there week 1. Not everyone belongs everywhere.

Now don't get me wrong- I want to see DGB in an Irish uni more than any other recruit this cycle. However, I wouldn't want one to two good seasons on the field if it means the kid ultimately can't handle the load and responsibilities of being a student-athlete at ND. God forbid he is forced to drop out, or is academically forced out, and winds up not getting an education and not making it to the NFL. Then what? Is our greed really worth it?

I'm just saying- imagine this was your kid and not the #1 recruit in the nation. As much as we would all WANT our kid to go to Notre Dame, if you felt he/she was not "up for it" academically, would you push them to do that, or would you aim a little lower so as to maximize his/her chance(s) of success?

Couldn't disagree with you more! Any "normal kid" can succeed at any academic institution if he puts effort into the process. He may have to work his *** off but he can definitely do it if he wants too. Motivation and hard work, not brain power is what the "normal kid" is short on.

 

[peredonov]

This is both untrue and irrelevant. Nothing wrong with a teacher being a realist. ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, let's say said student isn't an academic dynamo. Why should he be encouraged to attend a school that is out of his scholastic ability? I'm a smart guy, did well in high school and college, but I even attempted to go to Harvard or Yale and study Pre Law, I'd have been bounced out of there week 1. Not everyone belongs everywhere.

Now don't get me wrong- I want to see DGB in an Irish uni more than any other recruit this cycle. However, I wouldn't want one to two good seasons on the field if it means the kid ultimately can't handle the load and responsibilities of being a student-athlete at ND. God forbid he is forced to drop out, or is academically forced out, and winds up not getting an education and not making it to the NFL. Then what? Is our greed really worth it?

I'm just saying- imagine this was your kid and not the #1 recruit in the nation. As much as we would all WANT our kid to go to Notre Dame, if you felt he/she was not "up for it" academically, would you push them to do that, or would you aim a little lower so as to maximize his/her chance(s) of success?

You would get bounced, yes. But someone who may not be as naturally capable as you (however much that may or may not be), but with much more desire wouldn't. As for my statement being true and or irrelevant, serious academic research on the subject agrees with me.

If he can graduate from MU, he can graduate from ND. Or Harvard. If he is incapable of doing the work and needs to go to a football factory, well then there are plenty of places he could go and not have to worry about it. But the point of the post to which I was commenting was that he should go to MU b/c is too hard. We have to assume that the teacher was assuming that he'd be doing normal classwork.

 

[D-BOE34]

Pretty sure I found out why DGB has been very quiet and low key on his recruiting. I had a good convo with somenoe close to the family this morning. He (of course they almost all are this way) has been bamboozled everytime he sees a college. He was all ARK in the beginning then had been considered to be an OU lean. He loves OU but has recently been down to Austin ... Texas has something he just can't figure out but it makes him feel at home. She basically said those are the 3 schools he has been able to see that he is actually considering. He will branch out to some schools. I mentioned ND and she said that he is working hard to make sure he has every opportunity to get into what ever school he choses. She said that the family is all for him going to a school far away if that is best for him. ND is not out of the question and she said her opinion is he is going to play the whole process out. The family goal is to get him to all the schools he wants to see and let him go from there.

Darnell, his brother with cancer, is back at home and they make trips to Memphis for treatments. He is doing great! Doesn't have to much loonger to go.

Sorry, I just get excited when I talk with people who actually are apart of his life and have actual insight on this.

SIDE NOTE: Hillcrest first game will be on ESPN vs Seneca.

 

[Buster Bluth]

That is awesome.

If Texas can make him feel at home, I like Brian Kelly's chances if he gets DGB on campus. Not that I've ever been to Austin, TX to see what Texas has, but Notre Dame's atmosphere is as good as anywhere.

 

[D-BOE34]

That is awesome.

If Texas can make him feel at home, I like Brian Kelly's chances if he gets DGB on campus. Not that I've ever been to Austin, TX to see what Texas has, but Notre Dame's atmosphere is as good as anywhere.

I had to ramble that post together as fast as possible since im at work but this was my point. Texas made a huge impression and its not even close to home. We had all thought tht distance might cause an issue. He may still end up close to home but it gave a little glimmer of hope in my eyes.

 

[Chicago Irish Fan]

Good to hear that his brother is getting better.

 

[BeauBenken]

Good to hear that his brother is getting better.

Yea, possibly the best news out of that. I'm trying not to have high hopes on the DGB, but it's great news to hear his brother is doing a lot better.

 

[peredonov]

Pretty sure I found out why DGB has been very quiet and low key on his recruiting. I had a good convo with somenoe close to the family this morning. He (of course they almost all are this way) has been bamboozled everytime he sees a college. He was all ARK in the beginning then had been considered to be an OU lean. He loves OU but has recently been down to Austin ... Texas has something he just can't figure out but it makes him feel at home. She basically said those are the 3 schools he has been able to see that he is actually considering. He will branch out to some schools. I mentioned ND and she said that he is working hard to make sure he has every opportunity to get into what ever school he choses. She said that the family is all for him going to a school far away if that is best for him. ND is not out of the question and she said her opinion is he is going to play the whole process out. The family goal is to get him to all the schools he wants to see and let him go from there.

Darnell, his brother with cancer, is back at home and they make trips to Memphis for treatments. He is doing great! Doesn't have to much loonger to go.

Sorry, I just get excited when I talk with people who actually are apart of his life and have actual insight on this.

SIDE NOTE: Hillcrest first game will be on ESPN vs Seneca.

Bamboozled? Is that a direct quote? How exactly is he getting bamboozled? Perhaps he's getting hornswoggled or flimflammed?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Bamboozled? Is that a direct quote? How exactly is he getting bamboozled? Perhaps he's getting hornswoggled or flimflammed?

 

[D-BOE34]

Bamboozled? Is that a direct quote? How exactly is he getting bamboozled? Perhaps he's getting hornswoggled or flimflammed?

haha ... no that was me just throwing that word in with my quick ramble. He is caught of guard by the amazment he gets from the Univ. he visits. I was getting the post in quickly since I was at work.

I will be adding hornswoggled and flimflammed into my choice of words this week as well. Me likey!

 

[Rocket89]

There's an easy way to get DGB to stop considering Texas, and it would involve just a tiny bit of negative recruiting.

IMO, Texas has terrible quarterbacks for how well they recruit at other positions.

 

[peredonov]

haha ... no that was me just throwing that word in with my quick ramble. He is caught of guard by the amazment he gets from the Univ. he visits. I was getting the post in quickly since I was at work.

I will be adding hornswoggled and flimflammed into my choice of words this week as well. Me likey!

Ha ha!

 

[ndfi78]

There's an easy way to get DGB to stop considering Texas, and it would involve just a tiny bit of negative recruiting.

IMO, Texas has terrible quarterbacks for how well they recruit at other positions.

They have Conner Brewer commited, the #3 QB in the nation according to ESPN, #4 according to Rivals. Connor Brewer 2012 Football Recruiting Profile - ESPN

 

[IrishLax]

Brewer looked terrible at The Opening compared to the BYU kid, Zach Kline and others. Just don't see it... he seems inaccurate with wobbly spiral.

To be fair though, apparently he did well in other sessions.