'12 OH DE/OLB Ifeadi Odenigbo (Northwestern Verbal)

[PLACforever]

Camped with both Cal and Stanford

"My five schools are Cal, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame and Ohio State. Academics will be the most important thing for me and I feel very comfortable with all five of those schools. I've already visited all five schools unofficially and I'll decide later if I'll do any official visits or not."

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Stanford leads by a lot at the moment....I am not sure that ND can get over the hump that they are faced with. But as long as ND keeps winning, we will have a shot. Just not looking very good at the moment.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Stanford leads by a lot at the moment....I am not sure that ND can get over the hump that they are faced with. But as long as ND keeps winning, we will have a shot. Just not looking very good at the moment.

Excellent I'd love taking on Noor Davis and Ifeadi for the next for years...Brign it!

 

[Irish Man3]

Rumors of a visit to ND in the latter parts of July are circulating. ISD mods are trying to confirm.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Maybe he can get Noor to visit with him them we can flip them both!

 

[Irish Man3]

I think Noor is all Stanford. I dont even think a win over Stanford late in the season will sway him. He recently visited Stanford for the first time and loved it. He has already visited ND so we don't have that in our back pocket to sway him either. One of the two would be amazing after last years pull.

 

[IrishLax]

Noor is all Stanford because he wants to go back to the west coast for school. Only other school that is going to have a legit shot might be USC.

Ifeadi we'll have an OK shot at if we can just keep him from committing and Stanford tanks/ND does well. I seriously think it's a crying shame how all of these kids legitimately interested in education first look at Stanford as a legitimate football school now. But oh well.

 

[Irish Man3]

Maybe because Stanford has been a more successful football team over the last 3-5 years.

 

[irishfan]

Maybe because Stanford has been a more successful football team over the last 3-5 years.

Just the last two.

 

[PigtownIrish]

Just the last two.

Right never forget that a 2-10 ND team still managed to beat them.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Right never forget that a 2-10 ND team still managed to beat them.

Que?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maybe because Stanford has been a more successful football team over the last 3-5 years.

Stanford's record over the last 6 years: 5-6, 1-11, 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, and 12-1.

Notre Dame's record over the last 6 years: 9-3, 10-3, 3-9, 7-6, 6-6, 8-5.

Stanford has been more successful over the last two years; the farther back you look, the more favorable the comparison is for ND.

I know CFB is all about "What have you done for me lately," but unless you just started watching the sport 2 years ago, there's no way Stanford can be considered a more successful program than ND.

 

[Irish Man3]

They are not an overall more successfull program then ND, and I didn't hint that i thought they were. However, these kids in the 2012 class pay attention over the last few years, not 20 years back. They want to be on a team that is successfull now. Stanford has been getting tons of love because of Harbaugh and Andrew Luck, and rightfully so. Who has won the ND/Stanford match-up the last few years? Stanford. That's what is fresh on a kid's mind.

Feel free to throw team records out over the past couple years but Stanford is a year ahead of ND. Harbaugh put a jolt through that program to bring them to a national level. Stanford had their 8-5 year with a big win over USC two years ago and then went 12-1 last year with a commanding win over Va Tech in a BCS bowl. ND needs that 12-1 season now. We need to be back on that national level, in the spot light and beating an ACC or SEC powerhouse in front of millions.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Stanford has been getting tons of love because of Harbaugh and Andrew Luck.

There are the two reasons for Stanford's success over the couple years. One is already gone, and the other leaves in 2012. So how logical is it for a recruit to pick Stanford over ND on that basis?

Who has won the ND/Stanford match-up the last few years? Stanford. That's what is fresh on a kid's mind.

Stanford won the last two. ND reeled off seven in a row before that.

Feel free to throw team records out over the past couple years but Stanford is a year ahead of ND. Harbaugh put a jolt through that program to bring them to a national level. Stanford had their 8-5 year with a big win over USC two years ago and then went 12-1 last year with a commanding win over Va Tech in a BCS bowl. ND needs that 12-1 season now. We need to be back on that national level, in the spot light and beating an ACC or SEC powerhouse in front of millions.

No argument there, but I don't think we need 12-1. I'd settle for 10-3 as long as we humble our rivals along the way; Stanford especially. We can't be losing kids like Noor Davis.

 

[NDinL.A.]

No argument there, but I don't think we need 12-1. I'd settle for 10-3 as long as we humble our rivals along the way; Stanford especially. We can't be losing kids like Noor Davis.

Good post Whiskey, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, except for that last part about Stanford. At ND, it's all about beating USC. Stanford has been on the come-up lately, and we've battled for some good recruits, but USC is always the gold standard in recruiting, and if we beat them, ELITE recruits that both schools are looking will bead towards ND. Stanford once in a while gets kids like Noor Davis and that safety from FL last year from us, but with USC we're constantly battling for elite recruits like GA III, Jordan Payton, Jimmy Clausen, Dayne Crist, Arik Armstead, Shaq Evans (wait, nevermind), Reggie Bush (ND was his 2nd choice), Carson Palmer (couldn't qualify for ND though), Manti Te'o, Cierre Wood, Tee Shephard, Dionte Greenberry, etc etc etc. We have to beat USC to continue our strong presence in CA.

So while I totally see why you say we need to beat Stanford, as they are the one school that can say academics and not be lying through their teeth, but IMHO, the USC game is always more important...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So while I totally see why you say we need to beat Stanford, as they are the one school that can say academics and not be lying through their teeth, but IMHO, the USC game is always more important...

I concede your point. Even if we don't manage to beat them this year, I firmly believe that Stanford will sink back into Pac-12 obscurity after Luck graduates; so maybe we lose a few recruiting battles over the next year or two, but time is on our side.

USC could bounce back at any time. I'd like to think we'll have the upper hand as long as Kiffycakes remains their HC, but we have to make hay while the sun shines.

 

[IrishLax]

July 26th. Book it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I concede your point. Even if we don't manage to beat them this year, I firmly believe that Stanford will sink back into Pac-12 obscurity after Luck graduates; so maybe we lose a few recruiting battles over the next year or two, but time is on our side.

USC could bounce back at any time. I'd like to think we'll have the upper hand as long as Kiffycakes remains their HC, but we have to make hay while the sun shines.

I agree with both of these points, with the sole caveat that IF Stanford keeps pulling recruits we are competing for, they may not slink back to obscurity as quickly as I would like.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Stanford has everything ND and then add in location/girls. I dont like losing kids like Noor/Ifeadi to Stanford but Id rather them go there than places that contradict what they say when asked about academics/goals/what matters in a school.

I love ND as much as anyone, but its never a bad thing when a high character kid sticks to his word and goes to a high character school and program.

 

[IrishLax]

Stanford has everything ND and then add in location/girls. I dont like losing kids like Noor/Ifeadi to Stanford but Id rather them go there than places that contradict what they say when asked about academics/goals/what matters in a school.

I love ND as much as anyone, but its never a bad thing when a high character kid sticks to his word and goes to a high character school and program.

Bullshit on that one. Got a bunch of friends at Stanford now for grad school... girls are not hotter than ND's AT ALL. Plus they don't have St. Mary's. The one time I visited a year ago I was wowed by scenery... love their golf course... but did not like the other type of "scenery" one bit. Probably ugliest females on any California campus by a long shot.

Agree with everything else. But Stanford chicks are gross. Really, really gross. And I also doubt they have jersey chasers (to the same degree).

 

[Rhode Irish]

Stanford has everything ND and then add in location/girls. I dont like losing kids like Noor/Ifeadi to Stanford but Id rather them go there than places that contradict what they say when asked about academics/goals/what matters in a school.

I love ND as much as anyone, but its never a bad thing when a high character kid sticks to his word and goes to a high character school and program.

I can't speak to the women because I haven't been on the campus, but I can speak to tradition. And Stanford does not have one that compares at all with Notre Dame. I want ND to be able to make some new history and not live off of accomplishments that all took place before any of our players were born, BUT I also think the tradition and the history is a lot of what makes Notre Dame "Notre Dame." It gets a lot of recruits interested, and it is part of the reason why the program has so many fans. I would not dismiss that. I think, in doing a comparison between Stanford and ND, it would probably be the first thing that came to my mind. So I'm a little surprised it got no mention in your post.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Bullshit on that one. Got a bunch of friends at Stanford now for grad school... girls are not hotter than ND's AT ALL. Plus they don't have St. Mary's. The one time I visited a year ago I was wowed by scenery... love their golf course... but did not like the other type of "scenery" one bit. Probably ugliest females on any California campus by a long shot.

Agree with everything else. But Stanford chicks are gross. Really, really gross. And I also doubt they have jersey chasers (to the same degree).

- Everyone seems to forget that ND is a Catholic school. Faith is part of the education. A lot of athletes and their families actually care about that. Stanford is the exact opposite.
- Stanford is not admitting normal girls. Its admitting 99% nerds. There are only so many beautiful girls getting 1500 on their SATs (if that score still makes sense)
- Stanford is much, much more prestigious academically, and has much better resources, but that does not mean that they are equally committed to giving their athletes a real education. ND sticks out in this regard. Its the best.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Tradition is very much alive.....its just these kids werent born when ND was at the top. You can have all the tradition in the world, but when you go 3-9, 7-6, 6-6, 8-5.....You got to look at it from an actual recruits eyes that has no ties to ND.

The tradition comes into play...but when a kid has no coaches/friends/family/mentors that have ties to ND, which a lot of the kids we have offered dont, it does play a factor in that we have not had much success since the kids were born. yes I know we were decent in the 90s, and went to back to back BCS bowls...yet we have won 2 meaningless bowls since 1993...thats facts. thats what recruits see. sure they can see the national titles, but the last one was 88. im not dis-crediting ND, I am just saying...until BK gets this turned around to where it will be by the end of 2011 there are certain things that are not going to be on the top of the kids list when considering ND at this point in time.

Ifeadi is a extremely bright kid and the reason ND is not the top of the list is something I will not mention out of respect to talking to Ifeadi, but ND CAN get over that, they just have to find the right angle to approach it.

The girls at Stanford are better than ND btw lol. ND has its eye candy...but Stanford has more. But, if Ifeadi chooses Stanford it will not be bc of this reason.

You dont have to agree with me, but I am just going by what I have been told by the kids themselves and or persons that have something to do with their recruitment.

 

[BeauBenken]

- Everyone seems to forget that ND is a Catholic school. Faith is part of the education. A lot of athletes and their families actually care about that. Stanford is the exact opposite.
- Stanford is not admitting normal girls. Its admitting 99% nerds. There are only so many beautiful girls getting 1500 on their SATs(if that score still makes sense)
- Stanford is much, much more prestigious academically, and has much better resources, but that does not mean that they are equally committed to giving their athletes a real education. ND sticks out in this regard. Its the best.

I could have got in by a long shot if those were the score they go by nowadays. lol

SATs are out of 2400 nowadays. Notre Dame and Stanford kids get like 2000+.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Bullshit on that one. Got a bunch of friends at Stanford now for grad school... girls are not hotter than ND's AT ALL. Plus they don't have St. Mary's. The one time I visited a year ago I was wowed by scenery... love their golf course... but did not like the other type of "scenery" one bit. Probably ugliest females on any California campus by a long shot.

Agree with everything else. But Stanford chicks are gross. Really, really gross. And I also doubt they have jersey chasers (to the same degree).

The inverse relationship between admission standards and the general attractiveness of a student body is strong. St. Mary's, with it's lower standards and therefore more attractive women, definitely pulls ND's average up.

I'm a big fan of female Domers in general. They tend to be All-American, well-rounded, girl-next-door types; in other words, good wife material.

-Stanford is much, much more prestigious academically, and has much better resources, but that does not mean that they are equally committed to giving their athletes a real education. ND sticks out in this regard. Its the best.

Stanford definitely has better academic cachet, as its among the handful of truly elite universities, but ND's not far behind it; the strength of ND's brand and our alumni network rivals Stanford's. Their endowment is about 2.5 times larger than ND's as well.

The girls at Stanford are better than ND btw lol. ND has its eye candy...but Stanford has more. But, if Ifeadi chooses Stanford it will not be bc of this reason.

Disagree. I have extensive first-hand experience with both female student bodies (read into that what you will), but I doubt you'll be impressed by anecdotal evidence. Instead, I'll reiterate my earlier premise.

Higher admission standards = uglier women

It's a rule of nature.

 

[IrishLax]

Tradition is very much alive.....its just these kids werent born when ND was at the top. You can have all the tradition in the world, but when you go 3-9, 7-6, 6-6, 8-5.....You got to look at it from an actual recruits eyes that has no ties to ND.

The tradition comes into play...but when a kid has no coaches/friends/family/mentors that have ties to ND, which a lot of the kids we have offered dont, it does play a factor in that we have not had much success since the kids were born. yes I know we were decent in the 90s, and went to back to back BCS bowls...yet we have won 2 meaningless bowls since 1993...thats facts. thats what recruits see. sure they can see the national titles, but the last one was 88. im not dis-crediting ND, I am just saying...until BK gets this turned around to where it will be by the end of 2011 there are certain things that are not going to be on the top of the kids list when considering ND at this point in time.

Ifeadi is a extremely bright kid and the reason ND is not the top of the list is something I will not mention out of respect to talking to Ifeadi, but ND CAN get over that, they just have to find the right angle to approach it.

The girls at Stanford are better than ND btw lol. ND has its eye candy...but Stanford has more. But, if Ifeadi chooses Stanford it will not be bc of this reason.

You dont have to agree with me, but I am just going by what I have been told by the kids themselves and or persons that have something to do with their recruitment.

Haha if you say so.... dunno how much time you've spent out there, I've only been there once but have a lot of friends I trust on this. And according to them they are all nerds and fugly lol. So I still maintain that the girls at ND + St. Mary's > Stanford. But yeah... I'm sure that's all small potatoes.

Sounds like you've got a good handle on this and know Ifeadi... so I'll just cross my fingers that whatever his concerns are get alleviated and that we have a GREAT SEASON to convince everyone that this is still the place to be.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I guess you do have to include St. Mary's in that equation.

But honestly the guy is an elite athlete. He can get a babe anywhere he goes. This means absolutely nothing to him (at least I can assume).

 

[NDinL.A.]

The girls at Stanford are better than ND btw lol. ND has its eye candy...but Stanford has more. But, if Ifeadi chooses Stanford it will not be bc of this reason.

You dont have to agree with me, but I am just going by what I have been told by the kids themselves and or persons that have something to do with their recruitment.

Well, the joke out here in CA is that 9 out of 10 college girls in CA are hot, and the other one goes to Stanford.

I gotta agree with LAX on this one...Stanford women are not exactly considered to be babes. Neither were ND's, but I can tell you for a fact that that has changed over the best decade. ND's female population has gotten considerably better looking. We're not USC or UCLA or Florida St by any means, but MUCH better than perceived. I honestly can't say the same about Stanford.

I will also say that TTP is right in that our tradition isn't well-known at all to most recruits nowadays because we have consistently been mediocre to bad lately. Their tradition is USC, FL, and Alabama. We need to change that ASAP...

 

[BGIF]

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No argument there, but I don't think we need 12-1. I'd settle for 10-3 as long as we humble our rivals along the way; Stanford especially. ...

Say ND goes 10-3 with wins over UM, USC, MSU, BC, and Stanford, just who is going to be impressed with 3 losses to the likes of USF, PIT, PU, AF, USN, WF, UMD?

MSU and BC aren't rivals? Only Southern Cal has more wins over ND than MSU. BC is the only other Catholic Div 1 team and the principal recruiiting rival in the northeast.

Check the records. ND is 4-10 since '97. ND is 11-9 All-Time against BC but only 7-9 against the Eagles since '93. ND's only won 3 of the last 10.

So if we "beat the rivals" across the board, AND Stanford than the 3 losses are going to be pretty embarrassing


Yes, ND is the more historic program. Second Winingest Percentage in Div 1, 7 Heisman's, all those NC's, mega All-Americans, scores of players to the NFL. It's a shame these recruits weren't alive the last time ND won a Heisman or a National Championship.

Stanford was 12- 1 last year. Remember the last time ND won 12 games?

1989, 21 seasons ago.

In the last 6 years when today's recruits went from the 6th grade to HS Jrs ND won all of 8 game more than Stanford. During their HS years '08 - '10 when they probably were following college ball more closely, Stanford won 4 more games than ND.

Stanford's success is only due to Harbaugh and Luck? I recall a RB named Toby Gerhardt that wasn't too shabby. Yeah Harbaugh, the Michigan guy is gone. David Shaw the new head coach is in his rookie season as a HC but he was the Offensive Coordinator that planned Luck's attack and was also his QB coach. Gerhardt excelled as a runner in Shaw's attack.

Shaw is also a Stanford alumnus having played for both Dennis Green and Bill Walsh. (I'll bet he finds a way to get that into recruiting conversations). Shaw's also had 15 years in the NFL coaching QBs AND WRs. Several of his pro players set team records while Shaw was their coach (see recruiting conversations).

Oh yead, Shaw is one of the few African American Div 1 coaches. (Think some of those recruits might relate?)

I don't know if Shaw will be as good a HC as he was a OC. Charlie Weis wasn't. ND is no place for OJT. Stanford fans don't expect a national contender out of the gate and unlike Weis, Shaw had 10 years as a Stanford assistant to learn the ropes about college ball and college age players.

I do know I'm not writing off someone with 33 years of coaching experience because he doesn't spell his name Harbaugh. A good deal of Harbaugh's success at Stanford came on Shaw's shoulders.

 

[beryirish]

Well, the joke out here in CA is that 9 out of 10 college girls in CA are hot, and the other one goes to Stanford.

I gotta agree with LAX on this one...Stanford women are not exactly considered to be babes. Neither were ND's, but I can tell you for a fact that that has changed over the best decade. ND's female population has gotten considerably better looking. We're not USC or UCLA or Florida St by any means, but MUCH better than perceived. I honestly can't say the same about Stanford.

I will also say that TTP is right in that our tradition isn't well-known at all to most recruits nowadays because we have consistently been mediocre to bad lately. Their tradition is USC, FL, and Alabama. We need to change that ASAP...

I would take a guess and contribute that to all the rich fellas marryinng hot (trophy) wives and sending their kids to a good/expensive/favorite school


Irishlax - "July 26th book it" - it seemed like it went unnoticed, is that a date he is visiting????