'12 FL OLB Noor Davis (Stanford Verbal)

[IrishInColumbus]

I think what could be said truthfully is that there is a ton of opportunity at Florida academically for a student. However, there aren't many football players there achieving that.

Notre Dame graduates 99% of its football players, no? Literally everyone who comes to South Bend for football (and basketball, etc.) walks away with a great degree. Few other schools, and none with the football program Notre Dame has, can say that.

Still though, it gets a bit annoying with some of the people on here thinking any Notre Dame degree is better than any degree at X school. Those are some pretty ignorant statements.

 

[IrishLax]

I think what could be said truthfully is that there is a ton of opportunity at Florida academically for a student. However, there aren't many football players there achieving that.

Notre Dame graduates 99% of its football players, no? Literally everyone who comes to South Bend for football (and basketball, etc.) walks away with a great degree. Few other schools, and none with the football program Notre Dame has, can say that.

Still though, it gets a bit annoying with some of the people on here thinking any Notre Dame degree is better than any degree at X school. Those are some pretty ignorant statements.

No, it's called a fact. Thinking otherwise is ignorant. If all degrees were created equal, no one would shell out $50k a year for a degree from ND, all schools would have comparable students, etc.

Schools like Duke, Rice, Stanford, Harvard, etc., etc., etc. have degrees worth a lot more than your University of Phoenixes... or even University of Florida. Why? Because you get a better education in a more challenging and competitive work environment and, in general, the kids accepted to certain schools tend to have better intrinsic qualities than kids from certain other schools. When I compare the education I got to some people I work with, like a guy from West Virginia, they were entirely different experiences. In his words he did no work, never went to class and drank and did drugs all the time. I worked my *** off. We graduated with similar GPAs.

Using the objective evaluation criteria for schools, ND comes in around #12 in the country. It's not the best school. It doesn't have the smartest kids. Notre Dame is a worse school with a worse degree than A LOT of schools... but ND > hundreds of other colleges.

If Noor Davis doesn't feel so, cool. That's his opinion. Just like it's your opinion that all schools are created equal. But that opinion is not shared by a lot of people.

 

[IrishLax]

Checking my personal arrogance at the door for a second and getting back on recruiting... one of the biggest selling points for ND is the degree. It's huge to parents and kids alike.

Cam Roberson talked about the 40 year decision and the value of the ND degree.

Stephon Tuitt is coming to Notre Dame because his mother understood the value of the ND degree.

Ronald Darby just recently talked about how this decision isn't just for football; it's how ND sets you up for life after football.

The list goes on and on and on... so while I know I'm being very pompous I also know that I shouldn't have to be defending things like a degree from ND > a degree from Alabama. I hope Noor Davis and all other recruits are smart enough to realize that.

 

[DillonHall]

Nah, just a lurker living in the Atl. by way of Chicago northern suburbs. And any Sox fan and ND fan is a friend of mine!!
Go Sox and Irish!!
Btw, bu is for Bradley University '91

Nice! Best city in the country!!

 

[IrishInColumbus]

No, it's called a fact. Thinking otherwise is ignorant. If all degrees were created equal, no one would shell out $50k a year for a degree from ND, all schools would have comparable students, etc.

Schools like Duke, Rice, Stanford, Harvard, etc., etc., etc. have degrees worth a lot more than your University of Phoenixes... or even University of Florida. Why? Because you get a better education in a more challenging and competitive work environment and, in general, the kids accepted to certain schools tend to have better intrinsic qualities than kids from certain other schools. When I compare the education I got to some people I work with, like a guy from West Virginia, they were entirely different experiences. In his words he did no work, never went to class and drank and did drugs all the time. I worked my *** off. We graduated with similar GPAs.

Using the objective evaluation criteria for schools, ND comes in around #12 in the country. It's not the best school. It doesn't have the smartest kids. Notre Dame is a worse school with a worse degree than A LOT of schools... but ND > hundreds of other colleges.

If Noor Davis doesn't feel so, cool. That's his opinion. Just like it's your opinion that all schools are created equal. But that opinion is not shared by a lot of people.

When did I say that? No one is saying Notre Dame is equal to Phoenix, Florida, or West Virginia as a whole. What I meant was that you ignore the quality of certain programs within a school. Not all of Florida's programs are equally mediocre as you seem to think; and not all of Notre Dame's programs are #12 in the country, some are better and some are worse than #12 (e.g. the Mendoza undergrad is #1 and the MBA program is #20, according to nd.edu).

I also think you put too much weight rankings. At a certain point it's splitting hairs, no? If someone argued about going to Michigan's law school over Notre Dame's because it was higher in the rankings, I'd laugh at them. There is plenty of opportunity out there and being #12 in the country is fantastic, and being #17 for public schools out of the huge number of universities in America is also not going to ruin your life ethier.

Then you fail to take into account that Notre Dame doesn't offer every program. I never applied to Notre Dame, they don't have the program that I love. One of my best friends turned down a football offer from Yale to go into engineering at a school in the CIC; it was an "inferior" school, but had a better program in what he was interested in. There are just a few variables you aren't considering, in my opinion.

This isn't a referendum on Notre Dame. It's an amazing school, and I'm working my *** off to apply to the law school, should I not pursue a master's in my program elsewhere. I'm simply saying a kid isn't screwed and isn't necessarily receiving an inferior education at another school. It's a blanket statement and false.

a degree from ND > a degree from Alabama.

I don't know enough about Alabama to refute that. But I think it would be worded more appropriately if you said "a business degree from ND > a business degree from Alabama."

 

[GBdomer]

Tennessee is pushing hard for Noor Davis.

 

[clashmore_mike]

IrishInColumbus going HAM on the quality of education at Florida.

smh Tobias.

 

[BGIF]

...

This isn't a referendum on Notre Dame. ...

BUT this is a RECRUIT's PROFILE so how about showing some consideration and taking your urinating contest to The Leprechaun Lounge Forum which is the appropriate place.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

If you really think that a Florida degree means the same as a Notre Dame degree in the "real" world you are really kidding yourself. I mean really kidding yourself. Sorry, but true.

Getting degrees from schools like ND, Stanford, Northwestern, etc are better than ones from Florida, Ole Miss, Texas, etc. And the same goes for Yale, Harvard, Brown, etc. They are better than other colleges. It is the the real world. If a person thinks Florida and Notre Dame degrees mean the same in the real world they really need to try hard to justify it to themselves and other Florida type degree holders. It just isn't true.

If a person with the same interview skills, job experience walks into a business with a Notre Dame or Stanford Degree as a person with a Florida or Texas Degree who gets the job? Who would you hire? Come on get real!

I am not living in a dream world, I know that if the same situation goes with a Harvard vs. Notre Dame I know who has the advantage--Harvard. Or MIT and Notre Dame--MIT. I do live in the real world.

So, if you need to keep justifying about Florida and ND degrees. Go ahead, but let me know when you come back to reality.

Sorry, just trying to keep it in the real of reality.

 

[IrishMoore1]

IrishInColumbus has a point. Perhaps there are other schools that offer equivalently prestigious or better programs than Notre Dame. But one thing that can't be refuted is that Notre Dame has one of the highest graduation rates among its football players than do most of these elite football schools such as USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, etc. Some of their rates are absolutely abysmal as they fail to support their athletes and help them finish an education

If Noor Davis is a RKG, he'll realize the opportunity Notre Dame can give him. It also can't be denied that a Notre Dame degree offers one of the largest networks in the country for post graduation options. That is also something these other schools cannot offer.

So yes, while other schools can offer just as good of programs as ND, they cannot offer them in the same capacity to the athletes that Notre Dame does.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

If you really think that a Florida degree means the same as a Notre Dame degree in the "real" world you are really kidding yourself. I mean really kidding yourself. Sorry, but true.

Who said that?

IrishInColumbus has a point. Perhaps there are other schools that offer equivalently prestigious or better programs than Notre Dame. But one thing that can't be refuted is that Notre Dame has one of the highest graduation rates among its football players than do most of these elite football schools such as USC, Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, etc. Some of their rates are absolutely abysmal as they fail to support their athletes and help them finish an education

If Noor Davis is a RKG, he'll realize the opportunity Notre Dame can give him. It also can't be denied that a Notre Dame degree offers one of the largest networks in the country for post graduation options. That is also something these other schools cannot offer.

So yes, while other schools can offer just as good of programs as ND, they cannot offer them in the same capacity to the athletes that Notre Dame does.

That is exactly what I was saying. Thank you.

 

[Kak7304]

I think one of the biggest things being missed in this debate is academics as it pertains to football. Florida, Michigan, and other schools are good schools that offer quality degrees. A great education can be obtained at almost any university if one is willing to put in the time and effort, but this is not the issue. The problem at many schools is not only lower graduation rates for players, but the degrees pursued by football players. I know Michigan is notorious for its players pursuing a "General Studies" degree, which in all honesty, is useless. At Notre Dame, athletes are held to a higher academic standard, compared to other schools, and pursue legitimate degrees and take legitimate classes. Not only are ND football players graduating at a higher rate, but they are doing so with more prestigious degrees and with the greater potential for a more successful career.

 

[beryirish]

........and we're back to Noor Davis

 

[rtrn2glory]

Anything clearer for him after this weekend?? Is he coming to campus anytime soon?

 

[IrishLax]

When did I say that? No one is saying Notre Dame is equal to Phoenix, Florida, or West Virginia as a whole. What I meant was that you ignore the quality of certain programs within a school. Not all of Florida's programs are equally mediocre as you seem to think; and not all of Notre Dame's programs are #12 in the country, some are better and some are worse than #12 (e.g. the Mendoza undergrad is #1 and the MBA program is #20, according to nd.edu).

I also think you put too much weight rankings. At a certain point it's splitting hairs, no? If someone argued about going to Michigan's law school over Notre Dame's because it was higher in the rankings, I'd laugh at them. There is plenty of opportunity out there and being #12 in the country is fantastic, and being #17 for public schools out of the huge number of universities in America is also not going to ruin your life ethier.

Then you fail to take into account that Notre Dame doesn't offer every program. I never applied to Notre Dame, they don't have the program that I love. One of my best friends turned down a football offer from Yale to go into engineering at a school in the CIC; it was an "inferior" school, but had a better program in what he was interested in. There are just a few variables you aren't considering, in my opinion.

This isn't a referendum on Notre Dame. It's an amazing school, and I'm working my *** off to apply to the law school, should I not pursue a master's in my program elsewhere. I'm simply saying a kid isn't screwed and isn't necessarily receiving an inferior education at another school. It's a blanket statement and false.



I don't know enough about Alabama to refute that. But I think it would be worded more appropriately if you said "a business degree from ND > a business degree from Alabama."

"Still though, it gets a bit annoying with some of the people on here thinking any Notre Dame degree is better than any degree at X school."

Is the only part I'm responding to. If you didn't mean to make a blanket statement as you say, and have since qualified, then you shouldn't of made one. I'm not going to argue semantics over some schools having better programs than others... that's obviously a true statement... but also isn't even close to what you said in your original post.

The whole point of this discussion is that Notre Dame uses education as a sticking point. For some kids, (re: Amir Carlisle) other schools offer better programs/educational opportunities (re: film school at USC). But there is no way Florida is the #2 public school or that a degree from Florida is as versatile/opens the doors that Notre Dame one does. On that note, consider the subject dropped. It just really bothers me when schools lie to kids and invent statistics.

 

[Rack Em]

........and we're back to Noor Davis

Yeah heard he plays linebacker...

 

[IrishInColumbus]

" any Notre Dame degree is better than any degree at X school."

Is the only part I'm responding to. If you didn't mean to make a blanket statement as you say, and have since qualified, then you shouldn't of made one. I'm not going to argue semantics over some schools having better programs than others... that's obviously a true statement... but also isn't even close to what you said in your original post.

Well, it's actually pretty close. I clearly meant, and should have said, "(Still though, it gets a bit annoying with some of the people on here thinking) every Notre Dame degree is better than every degree at X school."

 

[Riddickulous]

Well, it's actually pretty close. I clearly meant, and should have said, "every Notre Dame degree is better than every degree at X school."

This is incorrect. Very incorrect.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Oy vey.

 

[IrishLax]

Oy vey.

Yeah... I know I'm the biggest offender... but let's just all drop it now. It's almost reaching the level of requiring mod cleanup... but still mostly on topic.

 

[jason_h537]

So we should be a safe bet to make his top 5.

 

[IrishLax]

So we should be a safe bet to make his top 5.

I hope we're in his top 1. Noor Davis is definitely in my top 5 of remaining "likely" targets.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah... I know I'm the biggest offender... but let's just all drop it now. It's almost reaching the level of requiring mod cleanup... but still mostly on topic.

NO, it's not mostly on topic. This is a RECRUIT PROFILE, it's supposed to be about him. There are other Forums appropriate to argue the academic reputation of various institutions.

It reached the level of mod cleanup with the 3rd post. All you had to do is say, "Hey Columbus, I"ve started a new thread on this topic in the Leprechaun Lounge here's the LINK."

 

[IrishLax]

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[BeauBenken]

Sooo...any news?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Update:

NotreDame assistant coach Tim Hinton dropped in on The Villages (Fla.) OLB Noor Davis today.

 

[Irish Man3]

Notre Dame and Florida are mentioned as this kids top 2 by most. Should be a good battle.

 

[Rack Em]

Notre Dame and Florida are mentioned as this kids top 2 by most. Should be a good battle.

Where are you hearing that? I'm not trying to be a douche, I'm genuinely interested because I hadn't heard much about Davis recently.

 

[Ironman8]

Where are you hearing that? I'm not trying to be a douche, I'm genuinely interested because I hadn't heard much about Davis recently.

I know he told it to ISD, for one. Also, on Scout, he mentions that Florida and ND are the only ones that are definitely in his top 5...so one would assume those are the top 2.

 

[TerryTate]

247 agrees. We've been in his top 5 from the start. Between us and UF as Ironman stated