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I think what will be nice next year is that we will have more players who will compete for some key positions. There are alot of questions that need to be answered and I am hoping we can land another couple of recruits on the defensive side of the ball. We need more depth and athleticism for sure. I think when you have multiple guys that can come in and compete at a high level you will be a better defensive unit. Being thin at a particular position is not a good thing and we need to work on bolstering our roster to have more depth in the event we have injuries etc.
 

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he can't cover in mand coverage and gets beat all day long unless he has a saftey deep to help him.
 

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he can't cover in mand coverage and gets beat all day long unless he has a saftey deep to help him.

I'm not disagreeing with you, here. I'm just wondering if you have some kind of "inside information" that the guy behind him on the depth chart is any better? One thing that Gray HAS done, is tackle exceptionally well in the open field. He almost single-handedly kept the Michigan State game from being a rout, in the 1st quarter.
 

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Damn Gray has not lived up to his 4 star rating thats for sure. I think that blanton has done a good job when he has played.
 

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Damn Gray has not lived up to his 4 star rating thats for sure. I think that blanton has done a good job when he has played.

Actually, I think that both of them, Gray and Blanton, could be very good cover guys. They both seem to have the same weakness, from what I have noticed: they both seem to have the speed to stay with a receiver, but then seem to not be able to simultaneously stay with the guy AND look back to find the ball, then make a play on it. I just don't think that either one of them is going to have the time to develop that skill.
 
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Damn Gray has not lived up to his 4 star rating thats for sure. I think that blanton has done a good job when he has played.

Actually, I think that both of them, Gray and Blanton, could be very good cover guys. They both seem to have the same weakness, from what I have noticed: they both seem to have the speed to stay with a receiver, but then seem to not be able to simultaneously stay with the guy AND look back to find the ball, then make a play on it. I just don't think that either one of them is going to have the time to develop that skill.

Take a look at the kid from Texas and see the year he is having, and take a look at Hardy. WOW! I have no idea whether the coaching staff wants them to have a year for conditioning, or not. Also, Lo Wood is going to be just fine by next year. Everyone overlooks him, granted he is a little small, but he is really developing nicely!
 

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Trotter: you and i are pretty close on what we're seeing. The subtle differences could go either way. No one would be happier than I if the young studs turn out to be immediately great. Lets keep our fingers crossed that young and old both are good.
 
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Trotter: you and i are pretty close on what we're seeing. The subtle differences could go either way. No one would be happier than I if the young studs turn out to be immediately great. Lets keep our fingers crossed that young and old both are good.

That's cause we're both frickin' geniuses. Brilliant minds think alike and all. Remember we still have Farley coming in. They saw something in him, and with catches like Shembo, Spond, and Shwenke, that means something. Beside, which great ND db had no real football background, and became an All-American? I'll remember, but for now maybe you could remember for me.
 

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This is mind-numbing entitlement side-speak replete with circular logic:



I hear this kind of drivel all the time. Jack Swarbrick is the only non brain-dead admin Our Lady has seen in over a dozen years! Come on: With Kevin White and his predecessors, ND hired Bob Davies, Geo O’Leary, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weiss! The only one that had a head coaching track record was a liar, and stupid enough to think he could get away with it. So your solution is to just let these idiots go on with their Three Stooges act?

If Charlie Weiss (not an idiot, but not a head coach either) were still in charge, there would be no defense, the players would have less motivation to play, wouldn’t be in as good of shape, and NOTRE DAME WOULD HAVE EVEN A WORSE DEFENSE IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. Who the **** would want Jon Tenuta back? You know, not only would he not recruit, he drove good prospects out of the door. Granted he wasn't as bad as Bob Davies who didn't think AJ Hawk had what it took, or Charlie's offensive guy who didn't think Dane Sanzenbacher could play at the division one level, but he was still really bad for ND.

Charlie should never have been given such a juicy contract after really not proving anything, and his new assistants should never have been given a one million dollar parachute, that’s right folks! Check out Jon Tenuta’s bank account, after one season, and what he did to us! Mark that down as Kevin White’s last act.

(I am so angry I could go out there and give them one good defensive play at the level of intensity they need.)

And if you think that Tate and Clauson’s staying or going had anything to do with Weiss’s firing, well then you are less intelligent than you sound. Tate had to go for the money, he said it there was nothing left for him to do but get hurt, and all Clauson was here for was the venue to reach the NFL on his terms. He saw the handwriting on the wall, with a new offensive line, (replacing three or four starters.) He would have been a moron to stay, and we definitely got his best play. Everyone was starting to figure him out. I like Jimmy, but he is slow and not really mobile. This year they would have killed him. (Maybe even worse that with Carolina, or his injury last year.)

I wish Jimmy the best, but he needs a really good offensive line, and he wouldn’t have had that with Weiss. Hell Weiss wouldn’t even give Martin a look, and he has graded out as our most consistent performer on the offensive line. Can you imagine the line without him this year? No decided schematic advantage there!

Above and beyond that, you are calling the man that has had arguably the greatest impact on college sports in the last ten years inept? Jack, with the help of Texas’s AD together changed the face of college football by not just preserving the current conferences, but made more room for other schools to declare their football independence, like BYU. Now Notre Dame can stay Notre Dame. Without their brilliant and courageous action, (they stood up to everybody, and that's a lot of money) there might not even be a Big East conference! Where would ND's great womens teams, and all other mens teams be without the Big East? In some stupid dictatiorial conference for all sports like the Big Ten. Right at this moment that would KILL Notre Dame Football!

You know what? We should revoke the fan-ship of people that express such ignorance. See my post earlier in this thread. That certain something that was a problem and RUIrish had a hard time naming it, I think is this mind-numbing idiocy!

First off, tone it down. Your rhetoric is obnoxious. What are you, Swarbrick's girlfriend?
Secondly,I never jumped to the defense of the A.D.'s that recently preceded Swarbrick as I know they all were inept starting around the time Lou left. He left in part because the talent level was dropping off and the recruiting was becoming abysmal. That was the period in time I realized how critical the A.D. job is in a college football program.
Swarbrick didn't create N.D. as an Independent with a great tradition, he came there with that tradition in place and his `courageous' effort to maintain that status is all but a mandate. He had no maneuverability on the issue and to pretend he did is just inaccurate.
I don't claim to know what Jimmy and Golden would have done with this year had Charlie remained in charge, some special clairvoyant knowledge you seem to be empowered with gives you all the answers to that so there's no point in any of the rest of us speculating I guess.
You don't have to ask for the revocation of my membership to whatever it is you get by writing your thoughts on this blog. I won't be checking in here anymore with the likes of `know it all' swaggering dolts such as yourself, frequenting it.
Get a life. And while your at it, switch allegiances to some other team like maybe So.Cal. The tenor of your prose would be a seemingly better fit amongst that lot.

Remember people; it's just a game! The most important byproduct of which is that it make for `good sports' and as importantly, good citizens. Something I would posit, bagbiter, or whatever she calls herself, is not.
 

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Two more years him and Jack will be in the hot seat..

This attitude is what bothers me, if you expect them to fail then why put yourself through the anguish of being a fan?

If I was in a relationship that I already decided wasn't going to work, I'd get out.

I wouldn't hang around and bitch about it for 2 years.
If you honestly believe that we are in the position for BK and JS to be on the "hot seat" in two years then why stick around and suffer.

Being critical of your teams performance is one thing, expecting them to fail is completely different.

See thread title.
 

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This attitude is what bothers me, if you expect them to fail then why put yourself through the anguish of being a fan?

If I was in a relationship that I already decided wasn't going to work, I'd get out.

I wouldn't hang around and bitch about it for 2 years.
If you honestly believe that we are in the position for BK and JS to be on the "hot seat" in two years then why stick around and suffer.

Being critical of your teams performance is one thing, expecting them to fail is completely different.

See thread title.

AMEN!!!
 

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I think what will be nice next year is that we will have more players who will compete for some key positions. There are alot of questions that need to be answered and I am hoping we can land another couple of recruits on the defensive side of the ball. We need more depth and athleticism for sure. I think when you have multiple guys that can come in and compete at a high level you will be a better defensive unit. Being thin at a particular position is not a good thing and we need to work on bolstering our roster to have more depth in the event we have injuries etc.
I will give you guys a quick stat that is eye opening and an example of why Notre Dame is behind the eight ball on players. Auburn's o line speaks for itself with their success this year with or without a great player ( newton ). Auburn has 22 o lineman on their roster.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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This is mind-numbing entitlement side-speak replete with circular logic:

I hear this kind of drivel all the time. Jack Swarbrick is the only non brain-dead admin Our Lady has seen in over a dozen years! Come on: With Kevin White and his predecessors, ND hired Bob Davies, Geo O’Leary, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weiss! The only one that had a head coaching track record was a liar, and stupid enough to think he could get away with it. So your solution is to just let these idiots go on with their Three Stooges act?

If Charlie Weiss (not an idiot, but not a head coach either) were still in charge, there would be no defense, the players would have less motivation to play, wouldn’t be in as good of shape, and NOTRE DAME WOULD HAVE EVEN A WORSE DEFENSE IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. Who the **** would want Jon Tenuta back? You know, not only would he not recruit, he drove good prospects out of the door. Granted he wasn't as bad as Bob Davies who didn't think AJ Hawk had what it took, or Charlie's offensive guy who didn't think Dane Sanzenbacher could play at the division one level, but he was still really bad for ND.

Charlie should never have been given such a juicy contract after really not proving anything, and his new assistants should never have been given a one million dollar parachute, that’s right folks! Check out Jon Tenuta’s bank account, after one season, and what he did to us! Mark that down as Kevin White’s last act.

(I am so angry I could go out there and give them one good defensive play at the level of intensity they need.)

And if you think that Tate and Clauson’s staying or going had anything to do with Weiss’s firing, well then you are less intelligent than you sound. Tate had to go for the money, he said it there was nothing left for him to do but get hurt, and all Clauson was here for was the venue to reach the NFL on his terms. He saw the handwriting on the wall, with a new offensive line, (replacing three or four starters.) He would have been a moron to stay, and we definitely got his best play. Everyone was starting to figure him out. I like Jimmy, but he is slow and not really mobile. This year they would have killed him. (Maybe even worse that with Carolina, or his injury last year.)

I wish Jimmy the best, but he needs a really good offensive line, and he wouldn’t have had that with Weiss. Hell Weiss wouldn’t even give Martin a look, and he has graded out as our most consistent performer on the offensive line. Can you imagine the line without him this year? No decided schematic advantage there!

Above and beyond that, you are calling the man that has had arguably the greatest impact on college sports in the last ten years inept? Jack, with the help of Texas’s AD together changed the face of college football by not just preserving the current conferences, but made more room for other schools to declare their football independence, like BYU. Now Notre Dame can stay Notre Dame. Without their brilliant and courageous action, (they stood up to everybody, and that's a lot of money) there might not even be a Big East conference! Where would ND's great womens teams, and all other mens teams be without the Big East? In some stupid dictatiorial conference for all sports like the Big Ten. Right at this moment that would KILL Notre Dame Football!

You know what? We should revoke the fan-ship of people that express such ignorance. See my post earlier in this thread. That certain something that was a problem and RUIrish had a hard time naming it, I think is this mind-numbing idiocy!
First off, tone it down. Your rhetoric is obnoxious. What are you, Swarbrick's girlfriend?
Secondly,I never jumped to the defense of the A.D.'s that recently preceded Swarbrick as I know they all were inept starting around the time Lou left. He left in part because the talent level was dropping off and the recruiting was becoming abysmal. That was the period in time I realized how critical the A.D. job is in a college football program. ( Our inept A.D. should watch from another venue, like President of the NCAA or, whatever he's angling for next. The mess we're in is of his making . . . )
Swarbrick didn't create N.D. as an Independent with a great tradition, he came there with that tradition in place and his `courageous' effort to maintain that status is all but a mandate. He had no maneuverability on the issue and to pretend he did is just inaccurate.
I don't claim to know what Jimmy and Golden would have done with this year had Charlie remained in charge, ( His decision to fire Charlie last year sent Jimmy and Golden out the door precipitously into the arms of the NFL. They belonged at Notre Dame trying to finish something they started and had they done so I'm convinced we'd be no worse than 7 and 1 right now . . . ) some special clairvoyant knowledge you seem to be empowered with gives you all the answers to that so there's no point in any of the rest of us speculating I guess.
You don't have to ask for the revocation of my membership to whatever it is you get by writing your thoughts on this blog. I won't be checking in here anymore with the likes of `know it all' swaggering dolts such as yourself, frequenting it.
Get a life. And while your at it, switch allegiances to some other team like maybe So.Cal. The tenor of your prose would be a seemingly better fit amongst that lot.

Remember people; it's just a game! The most important byproduct of which is that it make for `good sports' and as importantly, good citizens. Something I would posit, bagbiter, or whatever she calls herself, is not.
You know what Al_H? I reread everything; my post, your original post, and your reply. I will stand by everything I said. In my post, I never called you a name, I did call some of the past admin’s idiots, and I should have limited my criticism to their actions. I was highly critical of your thesis. Never once did I call you a name, attempt to demean you or speak to personal details about your sexual preference that I would have no idea about whatsoever. You did. Yet you lecture me about good citizenship!

And by the way, I am trying to understand your last paragraph, the only thing I can get out of it is that you are accusing me of being a woman, like that is a bad thing. Hmmm. Once again, that age-old misogynistic theme rears its ugly head! And you accused me of performing a horrendous perverse violent sexual act; if I had done this act ever, I would have bit them off, chewed them and swallowed. Proof of your inaccuracy can be determined by the lack of eunuchs running around . . . All this comes from someone asking me to tone it down?

No, I don’t have all the answers, but I do have a hypothesis. The rather entitled, smarmy, superior attitude that certain ND “fans” have, for example those that want to fix blame as opposed to those who want to fix problems, is the biggest thing that stops ND from returning to greatness with integrity. And it come from those that have a myriad of other problems and issues to handle, that spend their time criticizing and lecturing others that are actually doing something, on their problems!

Sorry dude, but I have been attacked much worse that anything here, personally, and I didn’t respond by retaliating in like kind. I hope you stay with the site, but my opinion hasn’t changed. Those that want to make things better by finding someone to blame, or a player to call a name, or those who have something derogatory to say about another, you know the real personal salacious stuff, it’s all small minded, and that’s what Our Lady really doesn’t need.
 
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I just want to point out that Jimmy has said he was leaving (multiple times) whether or not Weis was fired and Golden considered staying but once he realized he had reached his ceiling, there was a weak receiver class and the threat of a lockout, it was the right decision.

Both players were gone with or without Weis. Sorry it's just a fact.

On the Weis topic, I really like what the guy has done in KC. It's quite impressive. He is such a great offensie coordinator... just didn't have the head coach/GM skills to run a college program. Still an all-around very misunderstood and good guy.
 

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This attitude is what bothers me, if you expect them to fail then why put yourself through the anguish of being a fan?

If I was in a relationship that I already decided wasn't going to work, I'd get out.

I wouldn't hang around and bitch about it for 2 years.
If you honestly believe that we are in the position for BK and JS to be on the "hot seat" in two years then why stick around and suffer.

Being critical of your teams performance is one thing, expecting them to fail is completely different.

See thread title.

I totally AGREE, but for what it's worth...............................if you even care.......NEXT YEAR!!
 

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Well, I am a fan and, yes, I get frustrated when we lose. However, I am NOT going to cry and moan and talk about who should be the coach, who shouldn't. What scheme we should run, what scheme we shouldn't. I am going to pull for my team, ALWAYS think the next game will be the best game ND has ever played, and let the people that are getting paid to coach the team worry about the other stuff. I am sure none of us wanted to beat Navy worse than Coach Kelly. Thats my opinion and I am sure that some of you will tell me how I am wrong and how I should think, but if you don't like my opinion, then don't read my posts!!!
 

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Well honestly I wish I could be more like you I really do. I just can't believe how far we have fallen, I am not angry any more just very sad. I hope to wake up one day and have a respectable team to root for again.

You got one now bro.

Wow. I wasn't on this board then but damn. Glad you had faith We_Are_Nd.
 

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Look Dude, you and HCTI need get off of the "Manti Teo Hero Worship" ledge. The kid is a solid player, and one of the 2 or 3 best players on this defense. But this defense is pretty medoicre, so that's not indicative of any kind of dominance. He's Ron Powlus, so far. For those of you who were older than, say, 13 or 14, when Powlus was playing, you'll remember that Powlus was actually a decent college QB. But that's all he ever was; decent. He never lived up to hype he got, coming out of High School. For that reason, many people think he was a bust. But he wasn't a bust, he just never achieved anything more than average results. I'm not saying that Teo can't live up to the hype better than Powlus did. In fact, Teo is probably headed for a MUCH better legacy than Powlus. But quit looking at Teo as a prized recruit who shows incredible promise, and look at what he is right now. Right now, he's nothing more than a solid ILB. He's on the Butkus list because he has a ton of tackles. The problem is: a great many of those tackles are 4-5-6 yards downfield. Calabrese makes more plays at the Line of Scrimmage than Teo does, right now. I see Teo making 2 or 3 plays a game, at or behind the Line of Scrimmage. If you think about how many plays this defense has seen, this season, making 2 or 3 plays at or behind the LOS, per game, is nothing even close to being dominant. I'm not bashing Teo, or saying that he is bad. I'm just not buying into the Hero Worship crap, just because he leads the team in tackles.


Muy interesante.
 

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Reading the first page of this, I'm reminded how happy I am that NDOM isn't around anymore. That guy was the worst, and it proves he was a trolling anti-fan all along that as soon as ND starts winning he disappears.

It's funny.....this thread was a roll call for the whole cast of characters that were intolerable when things weren't going well, and now they're all AWOL. must be tough being wrong and a curmudgeon.
 
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He was on the past few days... just fyi

Well maybe he is a fan and just embarrassed? Idk. I PM'd with him once after a dust up and he actually wasn't a bad guy, but he was a bad poster. Criticism at points was definitely warranted, but the relentless negativity isn't something anyone wants to read. And calling people out who tried to stay positive (and who were right, evidently) was ridiculous.
 
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Well maybe he is a fan and just embarrassed? Idk. I PM'd with him once after a dust up and he actually wasn't a bad guy, but he was a bad poster. Criticism at points was definitely warranted, but the relentless negativity isn't something anyone wants to read. And calling people out who tried to stay positive (and who were right, evidently) was ridiculous.

I couldn't stand him and I did see him around, only for him to say Oklahoma was going to slaughter us.
 
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