For the faithful.....

[Irish To The Core]

No Notre Dame fan likes going through these frustrating losses. Some fans express their support for the team with patience and equate support for the coach (especially a new coach) with support for the team.

Other Notre Dame fans feel more empowered, they want to produce the answer, the solution. These are the armchair quarterbacks some of whom are knowledgeable and analytical in their approach others who just know that it hasn't worked so change something.

They are all Notre Dame fans and they all want the same thing, but they can irritate the Hell out of one another when things get tough.

However there is a third group who are not even ND fans. They are the bandwagon jumpers and trolls. They express their ND love when things appear good and then enjoy baiting real fans when things go bad.

It is (I think) important to try to distinguish between these groups and tolerate the real ND fans while ignoring the trolls and bandwagon jumpers.

One does not have to show their support for all things Notre Dame to be a fan...fair rational criticism is not the mark of a "bad fan"...anger and frustration is not the mark of a "bad fan". However enjoying the fall of ND IS the mark of a non-fan of ND.

 

[irishtrain]

This is a new coaching staff and new scheme. To not give that time to develop is over the line impatient. I know it's been decades of funk, but the reality is that this is all new and time has to be given. That is what has to happen every single time a new coach is hired. This was a bad game. It was a really bad game. But that's what it was, a bad game. Leave it at that and let the coaches etc. learn and grow from that. If they can't, then it's time to move on, but in Year One, what else can you do?

I wrote in a thread yesterday that something more than just lack of personnel is affecting ND. There is a serious stink of losing at ND and that may or may not be aided by the Admin, fans, media, etc. That's a mental deal that is rough to overcome. You need a serious kung fu champion to kick that out of the program. Give Kelly time to do that. It's more than X's and O's. It's a lifestyle deal. It's how you view your day and your tasks and your attitude. X's and O's are easy compared to that.

Also, did anyone else notice that stupid crazy schedule that BK has? That is just counterproductive if you ask me. You want someone to come in and win. Put him in a position to win. Don't load his schedule down with luncheons and meetings with money. I get that all that is part of the deal at ND, but maybe it's time to get some focus and shed the extra curricular BS.

Let me say this as simple as I can put it. If you want to win football games in todays enviroment you need an admn that says go get the players and win us some games. The culture is just not there for that to ever, ever, happen. What you see is what you will have to deal with if you love Notre Dame. I love Notre Dame and for that reason I say they need to dumb down who they are playing. Anybody anywhere anytime my @#$.

 

[Irish To The Core]

You sunshine and flowers fans are just as bad as the doomsayers. Your point of view is not the only criteria for being an ND fan. People don't have to subscribe to your rainbow and bubble bull****. People are on an ND board, many for longer than any of you have been here, and you have no basis in reality for calling the people who choose to offer negative critiques fair weather fans. We haven't been really good since the 90s, so anyone on this board is a genuine ND fan. Our last three records are 3-9, 6-6, 6-6. That will really get the fair weather fans out of the woodwork won't it? Your posts of unending positivity saying you know everything will work out with BK are pure opinion just like your counterparts on the other side of the aisle. No one knows for sure what is going to happen during Kelly's tenure, but a loss to Navy is a red flag, and especially the way the team responds to it. Keep your bleeding hearts and approach our team from an analytical standpoint, you'll find plenty of problems and reasons to be worried. There is nothing wrong with clinging to hope that ND is going to be great again under Kelly, but you can't choose to ignore the facts, one of which is this was a terrible loss to a Navy team, worthy of criticism in all aspects of the program.

I agree with most everything you have written mgriff. The one exception would be the absence of "fair weather fans" on a board like this. I think fair weather fans, the really fickle ones, have jumped on the ND bandwagon assuming the BK would be the savior. Most of these people were overly confident about the outlook for this season and are now looking for other teams to love.

 

[ChiefSecond]

You can talk about new schemes and the right recruits all you want...

When you have a 60lb advantage on the offensive line and a 240lb qb and you still cannot punch the ball in from 1yd out....then you suck and have no heart whatsoever.

6-6 and two FUGLY loses to utah and SC

 

[WaveDomer]

Let me say this as simple as I can put it. If you want to win football games in todays enviroment you need an admn that says go get the players and win us some games. The culture is just not there for that to ever, ever, happen. What you see is what you will have to deal with if you love Notre Dame. I love Notre Dame and for that reason I say they need to dumb down who they are playing. Anybody anywhere anytime my @#$.

I don't think you will ever see ND "dumb down" the competition. There's a pride there and I don't see that happening. As far as getting the players, well, according to recruiting rankings, we are getting the players. Plus, we just got whooped by a team and school with out of this world standards who deal with more than any other school ever has to deal with during war time. Plus, I'm pretty sure Stanford has high standards for their sports as well. It's more than just getting the players.

 

[oldtimeirish]

what happened to the holy water that the nd priests use to spray on the field that got those great wins?

 

[DCirishfan]

are these real people posting these optimistic opinions. I mean how could you possibly take anything possible by getting your *** whipped by Navy a team that lost to friggin MD? Seriously, what leads people to think that things are looking anything less than hopeless? I mean please some tangible things I would like to hear them.

 

[Irish To The Core]

are these real people posting these optimistic opinions. I mean how could you possibly take anything possible by getting your *** whipped by Navy a team that lost to friggin MD? Seriously, what leads people to think that things are looking anything less than hopeless? I mean please some tangible things I would like to hear them.

I haven't seen anybody actually positive about the loss. I think everyone wants positive change. I want change and I am hopeful that the change is happening with BK. I will admit I hoped the same thing about Willingham and Weis too. I personally do not think it is hopeless and I will continue to support BK through this transition. Once the transition is done, then we will all see whether this loss to Navy was a bump along the road or just another car wreck.

 

[Irish To The Core]

And on the positive side...I sure saw a lot of clean cut Navy cadets who are going to be serving their country very soon enjoying the game immensely.

 

[DCirishfan]

Well honestly I wish I could be more like you I really do. I just can't believe how far we have fallen, I am not angry any more just very sad. I hope to wake up one day and have a respectable team to root for again.

 

[johnnykillz]

I'm back again, without the needed break I wanted. I honestly think we will right the ship, though it's taking on water. We just got to hope the rats jump while we work hard to stay on track.

Certainly, mediocrity is here and has been alive and well for longer than we want and would have liked to see. That being said, we have a tremendous defensive class coming to the university next year. Let's sew up the seams with these young men. A defense that gives up two touchdowns a game will certainly have attained a perfect record at this point.

That's the clear difference. And I believe Diaco is the man. We just need the right personnel... And the right QB. Maybe Dayne is the man. Maybe he isn't. But its too early to tell. We are young developmentally.

 

[Jerry]

The only thing that really gives me hope is the fact that if you look at other successful coaches in college football most of them had bad loses their first seasons. So as easy as it is to say that Kelly is just another version of Davie, Willingham and Weis, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will be able to make large changes in the direction of the program by next season.

Obviously if we get blown out by Navy next year I will not have as much faith.

 

[DirtySecret]

The only thing that really gives me hope is the fact that if you look at other successful coaches in college football most of them had bad loses their first seasons. So as easy as it is to say that Kelly is just another version of Davie, Willingham and Weis, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will be able to make large changes in the direction of the program by next season.

Obviously if we get blown out by Navy next year I will not have as much faith.

Urban Meyer first years - Bowling Green 8-3 Utah 10-3 Flordia 9-3

Stoops and Tressel both went 7-5 their first years at tOSU and Okla.. The only two I can think of that had trouble was Nick Saban at MSU and Mack Brown at UNC. When both left they won 8 to 9 games at their next stop.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I said this in a different space: a). the offensive scheme works. The quarterbacking doesn't work consistently yet, but it will---Tommy Rees hit all seven receivers and they were open [one flubbed the route a bit]. Whether it's Dayne or Tommy or Andrew or Luke next year, we will function offensively.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------b). The defense "sort-of" works. We were pretty good against several teams this year. Schematically we need more animalism on the line and more speed on the outside backers. If we hold our current commitments, and people like Te'o, Calabreese, Fleming, Shembo, Spond, etc keep upgrading themselves [and I have noticed such "natural" development to be the norm rather than the exception], the speed and animal power seem to be coming onto the team and in play. I am probably a minority of one in that I believe that our current secondary is plenty good right now, and does an exceptional job on a team without a pass rush. Add the recruits coming who will learn from them and then step in, and I have good feelings about all of that.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Our skill players even with Rudolph and Floyd leaving in a speculative worst case scenario, are still loaded with two and three deep talent once guys like Atkinson and Daniels join TJ, Riddick, Jackson, and, I suspect Daniel Smith and Collingsworth [plus Welch and Koyack]--Same when Hayes and perhaps Huggins join Wood, Gray, Roberson at RB. OK, that's the future, but who in their right mind thought REALLY that Kelly could install a smooth-working fast-paced, fast-decision, fast-instinct football team in a year, let alone seven games?-------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------My view coming into this season was overly optimistic, but it wasn't because I thought that Kelly would get everything working impeccably. It was because I underrated the quality of our opponents, including Navy. I thought "8-4" maybe "7-5". I was wrong. But i do not believe that i was wrong about buying into what Kelly tries to do. And anyone listening to the press conference could see that he was p*ssed that we had such a bad game. But even then he said that what he is looking for this first year are the details of growth that only are visible to the staff, mainly during practice, but even in other "activities" that the team as a rather unwieldy "family" participates and gets better at. He specifically then said: it's hard losing games while those growing pains are going on though. Amen, Coach, but I'm still with you, and with a patience that unfortunately too many lack. Maybe growing up in WW2 and just after has something to do with that, with 6-inch TV screens, a half dozen programs, and a dime allowance to buy a coke and a comic book. Getting everything we want "yesterday" isn't reality.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I said this in a different space: a). the offensive scheme works. The quarterbacking doesn't work consistently yet, but it will---Tommy Rees hit all seven receivers and they were open [one flubbed the route a bit]. Whether it's Dayne or Tommy or Andrew or Luke next year, we will function offensively.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------b). The defense "sort-of" works. We were pretty good against several teams this year. Schematically we need more animalism on the line and more speed on the outside backers. If we hold our current commitments, and people like Te'o, Calabreese, Fleming, Shembo, Spond, etc keep upgrading themselves [and I have noticed such "natural" development to be the norm rather than the exception], the speed and animal power seem to be coming onto the team and in play. I am probably a minority of one in that I believe that our current secondary is plenty good right now, and does an exceptional job on a team without a pass rush. Add the recruits coming who will learn from them and then step in, and I have good feelings about all of that.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Our skill players even with Rudolph and Floyd leaving in a speculative worst case scenario, are still loaded with two and three deep talent once guys like Atkinson and Daniels join TJ, Riddick, Jackson, and, I suspect Daniel Smith and Collingsworth [plus Welch and Koyack]--Same when Hayes and perhaps Huggins join Wood, Gray, Roberson at RB. OK, that's the future, but who in their right mind thought REALLY that Kelly could install a smooth-working fast-paced, fast-decision, fast-instinct football team in a year, let alone seven games?-------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------My view coming into this season was overly optimistic, but it wasn't because I thought that Kelly would get everything working impeccably. It was because I underrated the quality of our opponents, including Navy. I thought "8-4" maybe "7-5". I was wrong. But i do not believe that i was wrong about buying into what Kelly tries to do. And anyone listening to the press conference could see that he was p*ssed that we had such a bad game. But even then he said that what he is looking for this first year are the details of growth that only are visible to the staff, mainly during practice, but even in other "activities" that the team as a rather unwieldy "family" participates and gets better at. He specifically then said: it's hard losing games while those growing pains are going on though. Amen, Coach, but I'm still with you, and with a patience that unfortunately too many lack. Maybe growing up in WW2 and just after has something to do with that, with 6-inch TV screens, a half dozen programs, and a dime allowance to buy a coke and a comic book. Getting everything we want "yesterday" isn't reality.

Way to put things into the correct perspective....as always thank you MIKE!

 

[Jerry]

Urban Meyer first years - Bowling Green 8-3 Utah 10-3 Flordia 9-3

Stoops and Tressel both went 7-5 their first years at tOSU and Okla.. The only two I can think of that had trouble was Nick Saban at MSU and Mack Brown at UNC. When both left they won 8 to 9 games at their next stop.

Pete Carroll 6-6 first year at SC (loses to Stanford and ND). Jim Tressel 7-5 first year at OSU in a mediocre Big Ten (loses to below .500 Wisconsin and Penn State teams). Nick Saban 7-6 first year at Bama (loses to Miss State and Louisiana Monroe, Lost last 4 games of regular season).

These guys weren't setting the world on fire their first seasons and I'm sure there was plenty of doubt in their collective fan bases. But all three showed significant improvement in year two and beyond as we know. I'm giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt that ND is going through these same types of growing pains that other top coaches have went through.

 

[irishff1014]

I am by no means ready to see Kelly leave. I wouldn't mind see the DC leave with his 3-4 defense i just dislike that.I think after 2 springs and on 1 season in the book he will have had time to understand what his players are able to do and not what to do. And just find away to keep getting these good players to come here.

 

[We_Are_ND]

No Notre Dame fan likes going through these frustrating losses. Some fans express their support for the team with patience and equate support for the coach (especially a new coach) with support for the team.

Other Notre Dame fans feel more empowered, they want to produce the answer, the solution. These are the armchair quarterbacks some of whom are knowledgeable and analytical in their approach others who just know that it hasn't worked so change something.

They are all Notre Dame fans and they all want the same thing, but they can irritate the Hell out of one another when things get tough.

However there is a third group who are not even ND fans. They are the bandwagon jumpers and trolls. They express their ND love when things appear good and then enjoy baiting real fans when things go bad.

It is (I think) important to try to distinguish between these groups and tolerate the real ND fans while ignoring the trolls and bandwagon jumpers.

One does not have to show their support for all things Notre Dame to be a fan...fair rational criticism is not the mark of a "bad fan"...anger and frustration is not the mark of a "bad fan". However enjoying the fall of ND IS the mark of a non-fan of ND.

This. I love you all. Go Irish.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I am by no means ready to see Kelly leave. I wouldn't mind see the DC leave with his 3-4 defense i just dislike that.I think after 2 springs and on 1 season in the book he will have had time to understand what his players are able to do and not what to do. And just find away to keep getting these good players to come here.

Two weeks ago Bob Diaco was everybody's best friend; even last week. Now, he needs to be eliminated. But Brian Kelly brought him in – twice.

To me, there is no question about supporting Notre Dame. I have talked to people that are upset beyond belief after the Navy loss; can't say that I am not among those most distressed. I have heard and seen some unbelievable things. I have seen more upset (among Notre Dame fans), than I did when the economy crashed two years ago!

But when you take time to sift though it all of it, to really analyze it; maybe there is a pattern to it, a theme. Maybe, for the last thirteen seasons, we have been more interested in recruiting the kind of player that looks good, but doesn't necessarily perform. Arguments have been exclusively about how many stars a player has, not about what they are going to do on the field, not about what kind of killer instinct they have, or what they will do with their back to the wall.

Maybe we enjoyed complaining about the refs, a little too much. Maybe we have been “just a little” elitist, knowing in all of our hearts, that we have enjoyed and taken a little comfort in believing that we have had a decided schematic advantage. Maybe we have enjoyed our conflicts with all of the cheaters, scumbags, and persons of low moral character that have competed unfairly against us, even though they have pounded us in recent years.

Maybe the depths that we fell to this weekend there was a sickening realization, that this team, a product of the past ND admin and coaching, with this coach, isn't going to amount to anything. In his press conference, Brian Kelly identified the sickening truth. As hard to face as it is, Saturday we marched the ball right down the field and were not able to move the ball one foot when it counted, when we outweighed them by 70 (plus) lbs per man, and our quarterback was even significantly larger than their largest linebacker. That moment at the end of our first drive is called crunch time, and we simply didn't respond.

Maybe that sickening feeling we had that ran in waves through the team, the staff, the administration, and the fan base, is that we know deep down, until we replace the majority of the team, and a whole lot of those entitled hangers on, wherever they may be; we will not amount to crap on Saturday afternoon. (I didn't want to say **** and get asterisked out!) Not until we build a team that gets back to the roots of what made the Irish tough in the first place.

 

[irishff1014]

very well put

 

[RDU Irish]

Some great comments in here. Just some of my thoughts on what I think the problem may be. Go ahead and call me an ignoramus or whatever creative garbage makes you feel better. Even if we stink forever, I will continue to support my team and eagerly watch every game.

I think the core issue is a sense of ENTITLEMENT. In the fans as much as the players. Kelly has been trying to beat this out of the players from day one. If ANY team is the ying to this yang it is Navy. Our pretentious attitude of entitlement got its arse handed to it for the third time in four years by the Naval Academy.

No matter how many times Navy beats us, ND Nation still finds it unbelievable that these brave men have the nerve to show us up. Guess what, THEY SHOW UP EVERY YEAR AND BRING THEIR BEST FOR NO LESS THAN FOUR QUARTERS!!! They don't care what the score is or who the opponent is, they ALWAYS bring their best on every snap.

Rather than show proper respect or learn from their attitude, ND Nation poo-poos these games as our cupcakes and expect to win 70-3 every year.

Kelly tried to instill respect by devoting time to the triple option for weeks leading up to this game. I am sure our elitist mentality rationalizes this by thinking Kelly just does that to avoid looking like Weis. NO, he knew there was a problem and he rightfully respected this opponent.

What did he get? Another Western Michigan effort from a bunch of silver spoon fed top recruits that figured they would have an easy scrimmage to pad some stats.

That's right they learned nothing from getting beat 2 of the last 3 versus this team. The Defense was complacent in their improvements over last year and thought they could physcally own the Middies. Whoops. Offensively, we can blame scheme change all we want but our O-line was owned by a bunch of people with 20% less mass.

The message was sent on the goal line at the end of the first series. Our players did not answer the call. One play epitomizing our problems, our good-enough attitude versus the other team bringing their best effort, every single snap.

Bring on the killer schedule of 2012. ND will need to work twice as hard as anybody else to earn back the respect that has rightfully been lost. Our problem is not talent, it is a losing mentality.

Kelly understands that he is re-programing a program, not rebuilding. You can measure and project necessary physical gains to compete, but how do you put a timeline on changing the way an entire university thinks?

 

[Jerry]

Some great comments in here. Just some of my thoughts on what I think the problem may be. Go ahead and call me an ignoramus or whatever creative garbage makes you feel better. Even if we stink forever, I will continue to support my team and eagerly watch every game.

I think the core issue is a sense of ENTITLEMENT. In the fans as much as the players. Kelly has been trying to beat this out of the players from day one. If ANY team is the ying to this yang it is Navy. Our pretentious attitude of entitlement got its arse handed to it for the third time in four years by the Naval Academy.

No matter how many times Navy beats us, ND Nation still finds it unbelievable that these brave men have the nerve to show us up. Guess what, THEY SHOW UP EVERY YEAR AND BRING THEIR BEST FOR NO LESS THAN FOUR QUARTERS!!! They don't care what the score is or who the opponent is, they ALWAYS bring their best on every snap.

Rather than show proper respect or learn from their attitude, ND Nation poo-poos these games as our cupcakes and expect to win 70-3 every year.

Kelly tried to instill respect by devoting time to the triple option for weeks leading up to this game. I am sure our elitist mentality rationalizes this by thinking Kelly just does that to avoid looking like Weis. NO, he knew there was a problem and he rightfully respected this opponent.

What did he get? Another Western Michigan effort from a bunch of silver spoon fed top recruits that figured they would have an easy scrimmage to pad some stats.

That's right they learned nothing from getting beat 2 of the last 3 versus this team. The Defense was complacent in their improvements over last year and thought they could physcally own the Middies. Whoops. Offensively, we can blame scheme change all we want but our O-line was owned by a bunch of people with 20% less mass.

The message was sent on the goal line at the end of the first series. Our players did not answer the call. One play epitomizing our problems, our good-enough attitude versus the other team bringing their best effort, every single snap.

Bring on the killer schedule of 2012. ND will need to work twice as hard as anybody else to earn back the respect that has rightfully been lost. Our problem is not talent, it is a losing mentality.

Kelly understands that he is re-programing a program, not rebuilding. You can measure and project necessary physical gains to compete, but how do you put a timeline on changing the way an entire university thinks?

I agree with the sense of entitlement by the fans and especially Alumni. But how are the players showing a sense of entitlement? Most of them have little if any links to Notre Dame before they come here. Maybe Weis instilled a selfish NFL mentality that Kelly is trying to break down into more of a team first attitude.

But really I think they just need to play better. And if the guys that are playing aren't good enough then we need to replace them with players that can.

 

[RDU Irish]

How does a physically superior player with incredible pedigree get owned, not just beaten a few times, but owned their opponent? Not just a couple of players but the entire team? Position by position, owned by significantly smaller and slower players?

They thought they would win by just showing up. They thought their recruiting rankings and ND jerseys would be enough to secure victory. All of this after losing 2 of the previous 3 and getting embarrassed in the first half vs. Western Michigan.

Entitlement may not be the right word but there is a serious mental problem, over a decade in the making, that keeps our players from attacking assignments week in and week out.

 

[Jerry]

Yeah I don't know what it is either? I was shocked at how our lines were dominated by Stanford, but figured they were (hopefully) one of the best teams in the country. Getting beat up by Navy for 4 quarters is really sad. There is some type of mentality problem right now but I don't know what it is? Players had to of felt entitled (or whatever we want to call it) during the Holtz Era as well, but they managed to still bring a nasty brand of football to the field. That has been missing in South Bend for some time.

 

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

Some great comments in here. Just some of my thoughts on what I think the problem may be. Go ahead and call me an ignoramus or whatever creative garbage makes you feel better. Even if we stink forever, I will continue to support my team and eagerly watch every game.

I think the core issue is a sense of ENTITLEMENT. In the fans as much as the players. Kelly has been trying to beat this out of the players from day one. If ANY team is the ying to this yang it is Navy. Our pretentious attitude of entitlement got its arse handed to it for the third time in four years by the Naval Academy.

No matter how many times Navy beats us, ND Nation still finds it unbelievable that these brave men have the nerve to show us up. Guess what, THEY SHOW UP EVERY YEAR AND BRING THEIR BEST FOR NO LESS THAN FOUR QUARTERS!!! They don't care what the score is or who the opponent is, they ALWAYS bring their best on every snap.

Rather than show proper respect or learn from their attitude, ND Nation poo-poos these games as our cupcakes and expect to win 70-3 every year.

Kelly tried to instill respect by devoting time to the triple option for weeks leading up to this game. I am sure our elitist mentality rationalizes this by thinking Kelly just does that to avoid looking like Weis. NO, he knew there was a problem and he rightfully respected this opponent.

What did he get? Another Western Michigan effort from a bunch of silver spoon fed top recruits that figured they would have an easy scrimmage to pad some stats.

That's right they learned nothing from getting beat 2 of the last 3 versus this team. The Defense was complacent in their improvements over last year and thought they could physcally own the Middies. Whoops. Offensively, we can blame scheme change all we want but our O-line was owned by a bunch of people with 20% less mass.

The message was sent on the goal line at the end of the first series. Our players did not answer the call. One play epitomizing our problems, our good-enough attitude versus the other team bringing their best effort, every single snap.

Bring on the killer schedule of 2012. ND will need to work twice as hard as anybody else to earn back the respect that has rightfully been lost. Our problem is not talent, it is a losing mentality.

Kelly understands that he is re-programing a program, not rebuilding. You can measure and project necessary physical gains to compete, but how do you put a timeline on changing the way an entire university thinks?

Extremely good post, thank you.

 

[kmoose]

I am by no means ready to see Kelly leave. I wouldn't mind see the DC leave with his 3-4 defense i just dislike that.I think after 2 springs and on 1 season in the book he will have had time to understand what his players are able to do and not what to do. And just find away to keep getting these good players to come here.

You can't play a 4-3 defense without a dominant ILB. We don't have one of those.

 

[TerryTate]

You can't play a 4-3 defense without a dominant ILB. We don't have one of those.

We don't have a dominant ILB?

 

[Jerry]

Can people please stop talking about changing defenses? We've switched back and forth enough over the last 5+ years. Time to stick with a scheme, teach, recruit and build on it.

 

[lookingdeadred]

One can be both faithful and frank about the team's shortcomings.

One can be both faithful and frank about the team's shortcomings.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I believe the thread was titled "For the Faithful..." Its obvious this thread wasn't intended for the likes of those who aren't such.

 

[lookingdeadred]

Thank you.

Thank you.

calling to dump the 3-4 and or Diaco is just ridiculous. Give the guy some time to get his guys in place and then see how he does. The problem is not the 3-4, the 3-4 works great if you have the right guys.

Can people please stop talking about changing defenses? We've switched back and forth enough over the last 5+ years. Time to stick with a scheme, teach, recruit and build on it.