Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

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Independence is the reason ND has its own voice, its own leverage, its own identity. The BIG may bring more money and maybe better playoff access - hell, maybe it’s better overall. But joining means ND walks away from what it built over the last century to move into teh BIG's house, built by Michigan and OSU.

And once we’re in that house, we’re guests. We’re not shaping the place, we’re not dictating the rules, and we’re not sitting at the head of the table. We have to fit in within teh structure they built. Won't be easy.
 

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Independence is the reason ND has its own voice, its own leverage, its own identity. The BIG may bring more money and maybe better playoff access - hell, maybe it’s better overall. But joining means ND walks away from what it built over the last century to move into teh BIG's house, built by Michigan and OSU.

And once we’re in that house, we’re guests. We’re not shaping the place, we’re not dictating the rules, and we’re not sitting at the head of the table. We have to fit in within teh structure they built. Won't be easy.
Yeah, agreed. Like I said previously, I think there's an assumption by some ND fans that we will walk into a conference and take a seat at the head of the table with a welcoming party. I could actually foresee the B1G fucking with us in subtle ways and we would always be the Johnny Come Lately who is 3rd in line behind OSU and UM.
 

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Yeah, agreed. Like I said previously, I think there's an assumption by some ND fans that we will walk into a conference and take a seat at the head of the table with a welcoming party. I could actually foresee the B1G fucking with us in subtle ways and we would always be the Johnny Come Lately who is 3rd in line behind OSU and UM.
We would be viewed as a little brother like PSU. Fuck that noise.

Joining super conferences is for weak little bitches like USC.
 

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But seriously

Why dont we join the Big12 for real... a 2 year deal... and absolutely steamroll them, then wait for CFB to blow up

Big 12 is generally more shit than the ACC, just not this year. No national champions since 1984, and that's only because BYU just joined. If Texas Tech is throwing around money they could become a regular power, but generally I would still take the more traditional powers in the ACC over the "Big" 12 power players (If you can call them that).

If we have to get forced into the B1G or SEC, I say B1G. Playing in the South in Aug-early Oct may be fine occasionally but making it a regular thing could be hard on our guys that aren't accustomed to the heat and humidity, could go poorly. On the flip side, getting an Florida or LSU in South Bend in late November would be hilarious. Then again, if we don't have to play a conference game till about October it won't be much of a big deal, we could load up on the tune up games in September instead.
 

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I really do think this snubbing is going to be good for ND when we look back in a few years; and a turning point for the brand in the NIL / CFP / TP era.

I'm not sure exactly what's going to happen, but I think we'll remain independent but expand our P4 interactions in some way in the near future because it's necessary - All we have to do is look at next year's schedule - It's shit and it won't do us any favors if we maybe lose even one game, let alone 2 games.

Here's what I do know:

- We have an angry, experienced media rights lawyer by trade with a lot of experience as our Chief Brand/TV Rights negotiator and AD (and an Alum who knows what ND is)
- NBC has a slate of B1G games along with of course all ND home games
- We make buku shit loads of money that we get to keep for ourselves everytime we win a CFP game and make it to the next round
- As many have pointed out, P4 conferences, even the ACC are now all too big and they just don't have enough intra-conference good matchups - why we're seeing so much parity (may be an outlier season) where there are a lot of 1- , 2- and 3-loss teams that are left to some stupid, unknown tie-breaker system
- ESPN, the SEC, and the B1G have a lot of vested interest and control of the game and CFP process, the SEC conference is toughest narrative, and wanting to continue the CCGs (and keep imploring ND join one!), as something important to the game (and to their continued power and control) because they make shit loads of $, but the writing is on the wall, that these CCGs are kind of pointless if we're going to a 16-team field and will not be around much longer
- And all the conferences, esp. the SEC and B1G will agree to a 16-team field, but only with auto bids for the playoffs and lots of them for their conferences (another reason the CCG goes bye bye) and why then top P4 teams (see USC) will then be more comfortable playing tough OOC games like one with ND
- The SEC (and at least the B1G is likely to follow soon) is requiring teams to schedule at least one OOC game for many reasons but mainly because it's good for CFB, Media, and an expanded 16-team field in that we'll have more comparison data points
- And which team is the most available for great, featured OOC games? ND of course!
- We have the experience knowing how to set up a conference tie in because we did just that with the ACC which has been in place for over a decade now

Again, I'm not sure how the way forward is going to turn out, but hopefully Petey B, with his anger and experience, and the iconic INDEPENDENT ND Brand, and all the above current situation and leverage, ND can set up various levels of tie ins first and foremost with the B1G, but also hopefully, with the Big12 and the SEC, and maybe even keep ACC but make ND's new other sport conference the B1G, and downgrade the ACC tie in (or make one-off tie ins only w/ the best of the ACC (Clemson, Miami, FSU)) as punishment for their nasty behavior the past few weeks and for simply now sucking ass!

It won't be easy, and we'll need to concede some things (auto bids, $, etc.) but I think the way forward is to use all of ND's unique Brand and Independence leverage to get these relationships in place.

Just a few ideas:

- ND could bargain some of that top ass $ to go to conferences (of course within reason) in return for them making the tie ins. So maybe - just spit balling - each conference that plays ball with us, gets up to $4 mill. if ND wins the CFP Championship
- We can be flexible for when these P4 teams play ND in the season (it can't always be in late August / early Sept tho')
- Maybe NBC can help broker a B1G tie in
- Fox is probably happy to broadcast some B1G / ND key OOC matchups where the B1G school is hosting ND

It's mostly unchartered territory, and it won't be easy, but there is brand leverage, and the P4 conferences kind of need ND for a number of reasons including having great OOC games; and ND can then hopefully have a much better slate of games, being assured to get enough big games.

The fact is ND needs to do something to get a lot more big P4 games because that's what will get us in the CFP and what will command respect from the P4 conferences and CFP selection committee, and help to counter the strong ABC/Disney/ESPN juggernaut and power broker.
 

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It might not be a *bad* thing in the long run but I’m having trouble imagining it as a better catalyst for the brand than a successful national championship run.
 

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Big 12 is generally more shit than the ACC, just not this year. No national champions since 1984, and that's only because BYU just joined. If Texas Tech is throwing around money they could become a regular power, but generally I would still take the more traditional powers in the ACC over the "Big" 12 power players (If you can call them that).

If we have to get forced into the B1G or SEC, I say B1G. Playing in the South in Aug-early Oct may be fine occasionally but making it a regular thing could be hard on our guys that aren't accustomed to the heat and humidity, could go poorly. On the flip side, getting a Florida or LSU in South Bend in late November would be hilarious. Then again, if we don't have to play a conference game till about October it won't be much of a big deal, we could load up on the tune up games in September instead.
1. We went into Arkansas and rawdogged the CFPs mouthpiece right in front of their entire fan base. Stadium was emptied by third quarter. No one in the SEC did that this year, before or after we left change on the bedside table and told them to gtfo so we could some sleep.

2. We are not a cultural fit with B12 which is currently a hodgepodge of leftover College football gutter trash.

3. We are better off going to the 20-30 top financially sound teams that draw the most eyeballs and coming up with a system that monetarily and fairly trays all members. ie a super conference made up of teams from SEC BiG 10 and ACC. A premier league of college football.
 
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IDK if we partner with the Big Ten for SEC, but either way, can we get this clown on the schedule?



Didn't mind his entire statement when I listened to it. It's obvious that the one line is going to get grabbed and posted everywhere because we live in a Twitter clapback hellscape, but I agree with about 80% of what he said.
 

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Largely repeating a post from a week ago in the scheduling thread.

End ACC agreement. Be fully independent. Schedule long-term deals with individual teams that are rivals. No conference agreements. Re-join the Big East in basketball.

USC
Navy
Stanford
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Pitt
BC
Miami
Georgia Tech/Indiana/Northwestern/Army/Air Force rotating
Ohio State/Penn State/Florida State/Clemson rotating
Major P4 (Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, Texas, Tennessee, Oregon, etc.)
 

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Largely repeating a post from a week ago in the scheduling thread.

End ACC agreement. Be fully independent. Schedule long-term deals with individual teams that are rivals. No conference agreements. Re-join the Big East in basketball.

USC
Navy
Stanford
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Pitt
BC
Miami
Georgia Tech/Indiana/Northwestern/Army/Air Force rotating
Ohio State/Penn State/Florida State/Clemson rotating
Major P4 (Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, Texas, Tennessee, Oregon, etc.)

I don't think the ACC teams will be eager to help us fill out our schedules in October/November if we just lit their conference on fire.
 

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Largely repeating a post from a week ago in the scheduling thread.

End ACC agreement. Be fully independent. Schedule long-term deals with individual teams that are rivals. No conference agreements. Re-join the Big East in basketball.

USC
Navy
Stanford
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Pitt
BC
Miami
Georgia Tech/Indiana/Northwestern/Army/Air Force rotating
Ohio State/Penn State/Florida State/Clemson rotating
Major P4 (Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, Texas, Tennessee, Oregon, etc.)

We can't get most of those teams to schedule us in November without the conference tie in.
 

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We can't get most of those teams to schedule us in November without the conference tie in.

I know this has been a response, but we did this for decades without issue. Our 2012 schedule was very similar to the above. Why is it suddenly a problem? One more conference game has this kind of effect?
 

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I know this has been a response, but we did this for decades without issue. Our 2012 schedule was very similar to the above. Why is it suddenly a problem? One more conference game has this kind of effect?

Because everyone is trying to make the playoffs and a tough out of conference game late puts that in jeopardy.
 

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If true, the Big 12 universities clearly want to take down the Big East as extra motivation besides the benefit of adding ND. WVU and UC are the two that care about the Big East.

On the B1G note, I am not surprised to hear ND has talked to the Big 10 about post 2030. Again if true. I don’t think it would really be the “Big Ten” anymore it would be some giant conglomerate that also includes ACC defectors.
 

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No thank you to the Big 12. That conference has added too mid-majors to even stay afloat.

I don’t think we’d get a fair shake in the SEC.
Too much good ole boy politicking.

The Big Ten’s all or nothing approach isn’t advantageous as well.
 

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If true, the Big 12 universities clearly want to take down the Big East as extra motivation besides the benefit of adding ND. WVU and UC are the two that care about the Big East.

On the B1G note, I am not surprised to hear ND has talked to the Big 10 about post 2030. Again if true. I don’t think it would really be the “Big Ten” anymore it would be some giant conglomerate that also includes ACC defectors.
If the Big Ten absorbed Miami, Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Virginia, joining up would look more appealing. As said, it would be such a giant group with footprints all across the States.
 

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No thank you to the Big 12. That conference has added too mid-majors to even stay afloat.

I don’t think we’d get a fair shake in the SEC.
Too much good ole boy politicking.

The Big Ten’s all or nothing approach isn’t advantageous as well.
I'm with you on the Big 12.

There is a stigma.

BYU went 11-1 in the regular season and was on the outside looking in. Yes their out of conference schedule sucked, but there simply is little respect for the conference.
 

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If true, the Big 12 universities clearly want to take down the Big East as extra motivation besides the benefit of adding ND. WVU and UC are the two that care about the Big East.

On the B1G note, I am not surprised to hear ND has talked to the Big 10 about post 2030. Again if true. I don’t think it would really be the “Big Ten” anymore it would be some giant conglomerate that also includes ACC defectors.

Everything this guy posts has to (1) be taken with a grain of salt and (2) be viewed through a B12 shill lens.

Have to think joining the B12 in an agreement that mirrors the ACC one would be incredibly unpopular with ND leadership
 
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