'25 NV WR Derek Meadows (Alabama Verbal)

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Yeah because MF was hired to win recruiting battles like this. He wasn’t hired because of his success as a HC.
He’s three years in at this point. We’re #6 in the country with one of the most deeply talented teams we’ve had in a long time. Whatever skill set he was hired for, he seems to be doing fine.
 

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MF is supposed to win the recruiting battle of a WR who’s been committed to a school with the same QB for half a year and then still get him when that QB flips to a school that said WR has also visited and has interest in?

I mean I get the angst if we strike out on all these guys, but:

Olesh: Current UM commit
Meadows: See above
NOB: Just not that into us
Wiggins: Refirms his UF commit after visit where they beat LSU.

I’m not sure *these* four specific recruitments are the indictment of MF that you think they are.

Freeman and ND were in on Meadows LONG before LSU, Michigan, and Underwood.
 

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All you bitching about freeman being a good recruiter idc how good you are Freeman ain’t gonna beat out up front NIL money these kids wants gurantees. It ain’t no different than all you being at a company for 5 years making 100,000 a year and some recruiter offers you a job for 150,000 thousand what would you do?
 

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Freeman and ND were in on Meadows LONG before LSU, Michigan, and Underwood.

So the criticism is that ND identified, actively pursued, and laid out the red carpet for this kid before the other schools, but didn't end up landing him? Because that just sounds like he didn't want to go here and/or is getting more money to go elsewhere, not that the staff did a bad job recruiting him.

I get the frustration because we hired a coach with great recruiting chops and now NIL has upset the apple cart. That being said, losing out on Tobias Merriweather 2.0 because Michigan just paid his BFF 10 million dollars doesn't strike me as an indictment on Freeman's suitability as head coach. It seems especially silly when you consider that we're currently in position to host a playoff game.
 

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All you bitching about freeman being a good recruiter idc how good you are Freeman ain’t gonna beat out up front NIL money these kids wants gurantees. It ain’t no different than all you being at a company for 5 years making 100,000 a year and some recruiter offers you a job for 150,000 thousand what would you do?
It’s more like you graduate from college and are offered two jobs. One company offers you a $250K signing bonus with an annual salary of $50,000, 5 year employment contract. Second company offers you a $100K signing bonus with a $75K annual salary to start but with up to 50% annual increases depending on performance goals, also a 5 year employment contract.
 

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And he chose other teams twice. Frankly, we should be more concerned with the narrow board we have than a single guy going elsewhere
Yep. ISD has repeatedly said that Brown and Freeman completely botched the WR board this cycle. They said that Brown isn't a good recruiter and virtually no WR recruits talk about him. He has gotten very few blue-chip WR's in both the 25 and 26 classes to visit campus since he was hired. Apparently it's not an Al Golden situation where he puts very little effort into recruiting, he's just bad at it. That is extremely, extremely alarming. Next year should be a put-up or shut-up year for him on the recruiting front. Same with Al Washington with DL recruiting.
 

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Yep. ISD has repeatedly said that Brown and Freeman completely botched the WR board this cycle. They said that Brown isn't a good recruiter and virtually no WR recruits talk about him. He has gotten very few blue-chip WR's in both the 25 and 26 classes to visit campus since he was hired. Apparently it's not an Al Golden situation where he puts very little effort into recruiting, he's just bad at it. That is extremely, extremely alarming. Next year should be a put-up or shut-up year for him on the recruiting front. Same with Al Washington with DL recruiting.

We should be looking for an upgrade this offseason
 

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Yep. ISD has repeatedly said that Brown and Freeman completely botched the WR board this cycle. They said that Brown isn't a good recruiter and virtually no WR recruits talk about him. He has gotten very few blue-chip WR's in both the 25 and 26 classes to visit campus since he was hired. Apparently it's not an Al Golden situation where he puts very little effort into recruiting, he's just bad at it. That is extremely, extremely alarming. Next year should be a put-up or shut-up year for him on the recruiting front. Same with Al Washington with DL recruiting.

I will give Al Washington some lee way because the youth on his very injured position group has been playing lights out. He has an argument that he might be an Elston style developer.

Brown has been extremely disappointing though, no argument there.
 

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The shitty thing about nil throwing chaos into recruiting is that none of these other teams are close to sniffing the playoffs. Winning used to matter.

Sky isn't falling, but at least when we lost out on some guys, it was typically because those teams were performing better on the field. Now, it's almost as if the current success of a program is the 4th or 5th factor for prospects, or even no factor at all.

Give me the guys who are addicted to winning.
 

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I guess we’ll find out real quick if Pete B was full of shit when he said he wants to win championships
 

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I guess we’ll find out real quick if Pete B was full of shit when he said he wants to win championships
They need to start bringing in transfers who don’t just have 1 year of eligibility left. And when freshman studs like Caleb Downs hit the portal, you need to get them or at the very least be right in the thick of things. It didn’t sound like ND made a big push to get him when he hit the portal.
 

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It’s going to happen. Our class will be lucky to be top 10.
Even worse is if we replace those whiffs with 3* mid level projects. Somethings gotta give especially with WR recruiting, teams like Texas Tech are even landing 5* guys.
 

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Being an “elite recruiting coach” has been significantly neutralized by upfront NIL. I don’t really think you can blame Freeman like we did Kelly. Sherrone was a shitty recruiter until Michigan’s NIL funds hit 2 months ago.
I disagree with this take. ND doesn't have NIL problems....they had the best NIL offer for Meadows! He was leaning to us again, and if Underwood doesn't flip to Michigan he winds up at ND.
 

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I disagree with this take. ND doesn't have NIL problems....they had the best NIL offer for Meadows! He was leaning to us again, and if Underwood doesn't flip to Michigan he winds up at ND.

So again he was looking for a reason not to come here. Our WR coaching has been a disaster.
 

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Even worse is if we replace those whiffs with 3* mid level projects. Somethings gotta give especially with WR recruiting, teams like Texas Tech are even landing 5* guys.

The only way we are getting a 5 star player is offensive lineman or a linebacker.
 

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I think Meadows is a great talent and could potentially be very good but right now he is very raw. I honestly feel until Mike Brown proves us wrong that Meadows might not have been a good fit for us. For now we need guys like Faison and Greathouse who were developed well in highschool.
 

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It’s going to happen. Our class will be lucky to be top 10.
ND will struggle to be inside the top 8 in final recruiting rankings. I think ND will perennially be in the 8-14 range with recruit rankings. It happenes every year. ND may be in top five starting out but by end of year when everyone had their signings ND drops.

We need to build the quality of depth with incoming freshman (keep the BCR above 75), find the diamonds where we can and fill in with portal transfers at specific needs each year.

NIL and the 12 team playoff will bring parity and I think ND is positioned to do very good things in the future.
 

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From a business model standpoint, it makes a LOT more sense to give proven players up front money guarantees. With relatively unproven HS players with potential, a moderate buy in supported by an incentive based ongoing “contract” seems like the smartest gameplan. I had mentioned in the Deuce Knight thread a while back that ND’s NIL proposal was more lucrative than what Auburn offered but Auburn front loaded the vast majority of the NIL package with little after that (and rumored employment for his parents). The source indicated that Knight‘s supporters favored the up front money. I have a friend that is an NIL attorney and Auburn grad…….and he admitted ND’s package was not only better overall but also was presented in a more professional fashion (I don’t know more details on the amounts).
The vast majority of the time Up Front Money is going to win. The old "Bird in the hand" scenario.
 

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I think Meadows is a great talent and could potentially be very good but right now he is very raw. I honestly feel until Mike Brown proves us wrong that Meadows might not have been a good fit for us. For now we need guys like Faison and Greathouse who were developed well in highschool.
You know where you find them? The states where those two guys are both from.

TBF, didn't Faison play QB in a Wing T offense in HS?
 
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