'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

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Serious question: he hasn't made the two-deep at Bama yet. What makes any of you think he'd be a stud at ND? It sure looks like he's a work in progress and not ready to be a star anywhere at the Power 4 level yet.
He was a natural fit at ND and is the most talented DL on the roster from day 1. Problem is he chose NIL, listened to money hungry family members and a bad defensive scheme for his play. 'Bama has already put about 30lbs on his frame and is trying to use him as a hybrid DT/DE.
 

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Serious question: he hasn't made the two-deep at Bama yet. What makes any of you think he'd be a stud at ND? It sure looks like he's a work in progress and not ready to be a star anywhere at the Power 4 level yet.
Maybe not a stud but with Botelho and Burnham hurt and Oben disappointing he would be a pretty valuable piece for us right now. Especially at the position/size we recruited him for, not whatever Bama’s trying to do with him.
 

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Maybe not a stud but with Botelho and Burnham hurt and Oben disappointing he would be a pretty valuable piece for us right now. Especially at the position/size we recruited him for, not whatever Bama’s trying to do with him.
A 104 page thread on a kid that just was never as good as the recruiting services made him out to be. It's not his fault. He isn't the first and won't be the last. But he was never a Vyper or pass rusher. At best a SDE or the DT Alabama moved him to.
Him and Vernon are poster children for fans addiction to recruiting hype.
Thank goodness for Bryce Young.
 

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His high school film was elite. His frame and play style was a perfect fit for what ND would ask him to do at strong side defensive end.

He was not a natural fit for the Saban/Bama defense, as he's been asked to bulk up over what his ideal weight should be, imo (looks to be 280+).

ND's current starter, Oben, has been underwhelming. Burnham is their current best player at the position has been hurt, with Young coming on. If Oben doesn't improve, they'll likely give Young a baptism by fire, which is normally not ideal relying on a true freshman for extensive reps. Had Keeley committed, he'd be your 6-6 260lb 1st year starter and Oben would be elsewhere.
If he's not good enough for Bama he's not good enough for ND, unless Alabama tried to put a square peg in a round hole but even then, this is college football. If he was good he would play.

He might just be a bust.
 

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If he's not good enough for Bama he's not good enough for ND, unless Alabama tried to put a square peg in a round hole but even then, this is college football. If he was good he would play.

He might just be a bust.
Maybe he was better in his original position at end. I thought that might have been the trouble with Tyson Ford for us. He was a highly recruited end, and we asked him to put on a shit ton of weight and play tackle. It never really worked.
 

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Serious question: he hasn't made the two-deep at Bama yet. What makes any of you think he'd be a stud at ND? It sure looks like he's a work in progress and not ready to be a star anywhere at the Power 4 level yet.

Maybe he was better in his original position at end. I thought that might have been the trouble with Tyson Ford for us. He was a highly recruited end, and we asked him to put on a shit ton of weight and play tackle. It never really worked.
100000000000% the guy was ELITE rushing the passer and you try to turn him into "Refrigerator" Perry??? All starts with the terrible decision to leave in the first place.
 

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If he's not good enough for Bama he's not good enough for ND, unless Alabama tried to put a square peg in a round hole but even then, this is college football. If he was good he would play.

He might just be a bust.
Fair take.

Having watched several of his hs games on espn, it seemed nearly impossible that'd be the case. He was an easy to rank high end 5 star for a reason.

I'm usually all about production in the portal, but I'd still take a flyer on him.
 

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A 104 page thread on a kid that just was never as good as the recruiting services made him out to be. It's not his fault. He isn't the first and won't be the last. But he was never a Vyper or pass rusher. At best a SDE or the DT Alabama moved him to.
Him and Vernon are poster children for fans addiction to recruiting hype.
Thank goodness for Bryce Young.
Real talk right here. Plenty of us here need to hear this.

Truth is, the cycle will continue to repeat itself no matter what. Too much recruiting hype and or people looking for anything to complain about.

Keeley. Bowen. Dante. Not missing a single one of them.
 

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If he's not good enough for Bama he's not good enough for ND, unless Alabama tried to put a square peg in a round hole but even then, this is college football. If he was good he would play.

He might just be a bust.

That's exactly what Bama tried to do, though. They attempted to convert him to the rush linebacker position in his 3-4 system, which set back his development considerably. Then they tried to bulk him up and play him inside at DT.

I'd gladly take him back with open arms if he ever indicated an interest in transferring to South Bend. He drops the bad weight he's gained in college and I think he could have a big impact.
 

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Real talk right here. Plenty of us here need to hear this.

Truth is, the cycle will continue to repeat itself no matter what. Too much recruiting hype and or people looking for anything to complain about.

Keeley. Bowen. Dante. Not missing a single one of them.
Also good reason not to - as is being discussed in the Skunk Bear thread - throw huge bags at high school kids. You don’t really know what you’ll get. Save that money for proven college football players, be they in the portal or on your own roster.

The trouble is the portal stuff all goes down in like two weeks while the high school recruiting hype train is forever. That makes it hard to tune out.
 

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Nil is going to destroy the development of elite guys like this with all the physical tools
 

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Also good reason not to - as is being discussed in the Skunk Bear thread - throw huge bags at high school kids. You don’t really know what you’ll get. Save that money for proven college football players, be they in the portal or on your own roster.

The trouble is the portal stuff all goes down in like two weeks while the high school recruiting hype train is forever. That makes it hard to tune out.
Nailed it. Your NIL money is best allocated to developed players you're retaining or transfers. A lot of this may become moot once we get to revenue sharing.
 

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Real talk right here. Plenty of us here need to hear this.

Truth is, the cycle will continue to repeat itself no matter what. Too much recruiting hype and or people looking for anything to complain about.

Keeley. Bowen. Dante. Not missing a single one of them.
Do you ever get the sense you're shouting into the void? I've read several similar posts of yours, specifically on recruiting threads, attempting to separate yourself from others as not interested.

I am genuinely fascinated by the chase and how these stories unfold. We all know they're kids and no one will ever get it 100% right. I maintain a right to have an opinion.


This part isn't directed at any poster in particular, but I enjoy these forums dedicated to discussing it. If someone doesn't or feels some sort of shame in doing so, don't read it and don't post on it. Hit that ignore button. Just don't waste a post trying to shame others into doing what you want them to.

Live and let live.
 

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A 104 page thread on a kid that just was never as good as the recruiting services made him out to be. It's not his fault. He isn't the first and won't be the last. But he was never a Vyper or pass rusher. At best a SDE or the DT Alabama moved him to.
Him and Vernon are poster children for fans addiction to recruiting hype.
Thank goodness for Bryce Young.
I agree to an extent but both players mentioned are true sophomores. There is still time to blossom or become dependable depth pieces or solid starters. Also agree with posters saying this is the reason to spend more NIL at retaining and transfer players.
 

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Do you ever get the sense you're shouting into the void? I've read several similar posts of yours, specifically on recruiting threads, attempting to separate yourself from others as not interested.

I am genuinely fascinated by the chase and how these stories unfold. We all know they're kids and no one will ever get it 100% right. I maintain a right to have an opinion.


This part isn't directed at any poster in particular, but I enjoy these forums dedicated to discussing it. If someone doesn't or feels some sort of shame in doing so, don't read it and don't post on it. Hit that ignore button. Just don't waste a post trying to shame others into doing what you want them to.

Live and let live.
No. Not really.

Just doing what you've so eloquently stated. Posting on a message board, not trying to harm anyone, not really giving a fuck what anyone thinks about what I have to say one way or another. It's not that serious.

In the end, whatever happens, whatever we say here....football is going to be played.

Have a nice weekend.
 

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Also good reason not to - as is being discussed in the Skunk Bear thread - throw huge bags at high school kids. You don’t really know what you’ll get. Save that money for proven college football players, be they in the portal or on your own roster.

The trouble is the portal stuff all goes down in like two weeks while the high school recruiting hype train is forever. That makes it hard to tune out.
Right. I think it's a miserable idea. Especially in this era because, as you've stated, you can use your resources to go out and get a proven veteran who is capable of stepping in and helping you sooner than later.

  • Keon Keeley is in year two. He has one career tackle.
  • The next INT Peyton Bowen gets will be his first.
  • Dante Moore is on his second school and his highlight reel is less than 90 seconds long.

Recruiting is engaging, dramatic, fun, the pivot to food discussions is hilarious. Yet, at the end of the day, any hand wringing really isn't worth it. Especially by us as fans. These three guys were the top dogs on the board and their careers seem to have gotten off to starts typical of second year college players. Maybe they still flourish, maybe they could have flourished at ND, but either way life is going on without them. ND has three more games to play and a shot at being in the playoff to host a first round game.
 

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Fair take.

Having watched several of his hs games on espn, it seemed nearly impossible that'd be the case. He was an easy to rank high end 5 star for a reason.

I'm usually all about production in the portal, but I'd still take a flyer on him.
As a walk on yes
 

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I remember when Bowen committed to ND, I was pumped; Keeley was already committed to ND.

It's a shame how some of these high profile high school kids handle the NIL, I think Deuce Knight is going to fall into this bucket.

Is it too early to write off Keeley & Bowen? Sometimes the college game doesn't translate to some of these high profile high school kids until their junior year or redshirting is best.

I would've loved to see what Keeley & Bowen could've done in a ND uniform; if I had to choose 1 of them I'd take Keeley over Bowen.
 

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I remember when Bowen committed to ND, I was pumped; Keeley was already committed to ND.

It's a shame how some of these high profile high school kids handle the NIL, I think Deuce Knight is going to fall into this bucket.

Is it too early to write off Keeley & Bowen? Sometimes the college game doesn't translate to some of these high profile high school kids until their junior year or redshirting is best.

I would've loved to see what Keeley & Bowen could've done in a ND uniform; if I had to choose 1 of them I'd take Keeley over Bowen.
Absolutely Bowen’s behavior with his commitment flip flopy hat game involved out and out lies to our staff and his fellow recruits in that class. Keeley just picked somewhere else way earlier so we could fill his spot and did it for more money and prestige which was more the “business decision”. Bowen in the end chose to stay home which would have been fine but for the lying behavior.
 

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Right. I think it's a miserable idea. Especially in this era because, as you've stated, you can use your resources to go out and get a proven veteran who is capable of stepping in and helping you sooner than later.

  • Keon Keeley is in year two. He has one career tackle.
  • The next INT Peyton Bowen gets will be his first.
  • Dante Moore is on his second school and his highlight reel is less than 90 seconds long.

Recruiting is engaging, dramatic, fun, the pivot to food discussions is hilarious. Yet, at the end of the day, any hand wringing really isn't worth it. Especially by us as fans. These three guys were the top dogs on the board and their careers seem to have gotten off to starts typical of second year college players. Maybe they still flourish, maybe they could have flourished at ND, but either way life is going on without them. ND has three more games to play and a shot at being in the playoff to host a first round game.
I’m beginning to buy into the idea that film and character are better than 5 stars. As long as you are elite at evaluating film. Not easy to do. But ND seems to get a lot more out of their 3-4 star players than most other teams do. With the obvious exception being at QB.

I could be wrong but maybe Keeley would be excelling at ND with several sacks and scouts already looking at him. Would we have brought the better version out of him? Boub and Young sure look poised to continue making an impact.
 
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