'25 MS QB Deuce Knight Auburn Verbal Ole Miss ???

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Quarterback
Lucedale, MS
George County

Measurements
Ht: 6'4"
Wt: 185

Ratings
247: .................. :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #66 OA, 93 Rating
247 Comp: ..... :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #51 OA, .9729
Rivals: ............... :s::s::s::s: #1 QB-D, #52 OA, 5.9
ESPN: ................ :s::s::s::s: #2 QB-D, #133 OA, 82
On3: ................. :s::s::s::s: #6 QB, #54 OA, 94


Offers
Notre Dame ......... Offered 3-17-23 ....... Committed 9-18-23
Auburn
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Colorado
Georgia
Indiana
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Mississippi St
Oregon
Ole Miss
S Carolina
TCU
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Tulsa
USF
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Va Tech
Washington
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Irish5Saint

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I think the difficulty with ND and transfer QBs is that they have only been able to get graduates admitted. A one year rental at QB can be hit or miss because of having to adapt to a new system, etc. In the case of Caleb Williams and Joe Burrow, they were both two year players at USC and LSU not to mention Lincoln Riley was Caleb’s coach at Oklahoma. Kyler Murray went to Oklahoma for 3 years although only played for 2. Williams won in his first year but having the same coach made that much easier. Maybe at some point ND could take a transfer QB with 2 years of eligibility but so far that hasn’t been the case. Not only that, we’ve had 3 different OCs the past 3 years.
ND would be able to take a lot of undergrad transfers, but they wouldn’t be the game changing players we need.

The bigger problem is the inconsistency at OC.
 

SeekNDestroy

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This. The evaluations and choices of when and who to pursue have been mind boggling, especially at the QB position.
I don’t think this is really true, though. Regardless of the results, Hartman and Leonard were highly desired QB transfers, especially Leonard.
 
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I don’t think this is really true, though. Regardless of the results, Hartman and Leonard were highly desired QB transfers, especially Leonard.
I don't think the evaluation of Hartman was as bad as Leonard's. With Leonard there were near obvious better choices talent wise, like Cam Ward. ND staff also failed to give him their own physical which played a role in them not realizing how bad his ankle was and that he'd have to miss spring camp. His passing was always inconsistent even during his best season with 20TDs and 6INTs on 63% passing. Hartman was actually doing ok until he met some of the better defenses and he was a significantly better passer than Leonard at ND, he just didn't live up to the insane hype that fans and media placed on him. You have to base evals on results to some extent and Leonard hasn't even had a 200yrd game passing yet, Hartman hit 300 once and 200 multiple times.
 

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I don't think the evaluation of Hartman was as bad as Leonard's. With Leonard there were near obvious better choices talent wise, like Cam Ward. ND staff also failed to give him their own physical which played a role in them not realizing how bad his ankle was and that he'd have to miss spring camp. His passing was always inconsistent even during his best season with 20TDs and 6INTs on 63% passing. Hartman was actually doing ok until he met some of the better defenses and he was a significantly better passer than Leonard at ND, he just didn't live up to the insane hype that fans and media placed on him. You have to base evals on results to some extent and Leonard hasn't even had a 200yrd game passing yet, Hartman hit 300 once and 200 multiple times.
If Cam Ward hadn't already graduated from Washington State (I'm not sure either way) I don't know if he'd be admittable for us. I doubt Incarnate Word requires two semesters of philosophy. He's clearly a better QB than Leonard though.

Agree on Hartman though. He was the best available in a year we absolutely needed a transfer QB. Then the OC he committed to left. And he was solid. If we have him this year we're 5-0 no question. Leonard has a higher ceiling but is more raw a passer and has missed a lot of time to injury. Maybe he turns it on yet but I also think in hindsight we'd maybe have been just as well off to roll with Angeli or Minchey.
 

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If Cam Ward hadn't already graduated from Washington State (I'm not sure either way) I don't know if he'd be admittable for us. I doubt Incarnate Word requires two semesters of philosophy. He's clearly a better QB than Leonard though.

Agree on Hartman though. He was the best available in a year we absolutely needed a transfer QB. Then the OC he committed to left. And he was solid. If we have him this year we're 5-0 no question. Leonard has a higher ceiling but is more raw a passer and has missed a lot of time to injury. Maybe he turns it on yet but I also think in hindsight we'd maybe have been just as well off to roll with Angeli or Minchey.
Did we *need* Hartman? I went to NDSU. We had three consecutive QB's make (and are still on) NFL rosters. Only one of them took the reigns with any experience.

And that experience was playing Tebow ball for 6 weeks until Carson Wentz could play in the natty.
 

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Did we *need* Hartman? I went to NDSU. We had three consecutive QB's make (and are still on) NFL rosters. Only one of them took the reigns with any experience.

And that experience was playing Tebow ball for 6 weeks until Carson Wentz could play in the natty.
Who was the QB coach? Sign him up for ND.
 

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Did we *need* Hartman? I went to NDSU. We had three consecutive QB's make (and are still on) NFL rosters. Only one of them took the reigns with any experience.

And that experience was playing Tebow ball for 6 weeks until Carson Wentz could play in the natty.
Whether we "need"ed Hartman or not, Freeman would've been driven out of the Gug with pitchforks if he didn't take a transfer QB after what happened in 2022. So he got the best available.
 

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Can we drop the sanctimonious attitude toward other universities and their players regarding admissions and academia now? I’d bet the farm Deuce wasn’t in the top portion of his class and crushing his college admissions entrance exams. Yes, I’m being that petty.

And where was that grainy video filmed? Dick’s Sporting Goods?
 

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Calling out the obvious here… But does Anyone else find it kinda lame how a lot of people on here are shitting on Deuce (ironic i know), acting as if “we never wanted that bum”, just because he left ….??

Yet if he was a solid ND commit, these same people would still be RAVING about the elite qb recruit we are getting, and how LOADED the qb room is.

The kids got elite traits, will probably be great, and chose to go elsewhere. Blows, but let’s not be bitter bitches about it.
 

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That is the public perception, so he may as well have.

It’s not hard to flip the perception:

Issue a statement about the importance of judging people on their word, throw a jab about “I know it’s different for some programs, where relationships are built on money, not trust,” then start sobbing at the podium while slamming your fist on it while lamenting about having to talk about the same things.


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Calling out the obvious here… But does Anyone else find it kinda lame how a lot of people on here are shitting on Deuce (ironic i know), acting as if “we never wanted that bum”, just because he left ….??

Yet if he was a solid ND commit, these same people would still be RAVING about the elite qb recruit we are getting, and how LOADED the qb room is.

The kids got elite traits, will probably be great, and chose to go elsewhere. Blows, but let’s not be bitter bitches about it.
I've never shit on Deuce as a player, just a decision maker. Although I have my doubts he ever really suits up for Auburn, it's just a wild decision when even Ole Miss is obviously better. If he came right out of HS and went to Auburn...Oh well, maybe he's a lifelong fan. But to get flipped by a shit show tells me he's either stupid or scared. No in between in my eyes, but based on some interviews....I'm going with stupid.
 

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Calling out the obvious here… But does Anyone else find it kinda lame how a lot of people on here are shitting on Deuce (ironic i know), acting as if “we never wanted that bum”, just because he left ….??

Yet if he was a solid ND commit, these same people would still be RAVING about the elite qb recruit we are getting, and how LOADED the qb room is.

The kids got elite traits, will probably be great, and chose to go elsewhere. Blows, but let’s not be bitter bitches about it.
Of course we’re being hypocritical but that’s the nature of following recruiting. That said, stick-to-it-iveness is also an elite trait and maybe turns out Deuce doesn’t have that one?
 

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It’s not hard to flip the perception:

Issue a statement about the importance of judging people on their word, throw a jab about “I know it’s different for some programs, where relationships are built on money, not trust,” then start sobbing at the podium while slamming your fist on it while lamenting about having to talk about the same things.


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Wish they would.
 

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Calling out the obvious here… But does Anyone else find it kinda lame how a lot of people on here are shitting on Deuce (ironic i know), acting as if “we never wanted that bum”, just because he left ….??

Yet if he was a solid ND commit, these same people would still be RAVING about the elite qb recruit we are getting, and how LOADED the qb room is.

The kids got elite traits, will probably be great, and chose to go elsewhere. Blows, but let’s not be bitter bitches about it.
The guy gave me Dante vibes months ago, I just assumed he would flake at some point. I'm fine as long as Carr remains, the future is bright. The way I see it Deuce was never really all in, so nothing lost. If anything we stand to gain a more loyal player by him leaving.
 

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I genuinely don’t think our season looks any different if Will Howard or Cam Ward came here instead of Riley Leonard.

Not a Riley defender. Just realistic about our offensive woes and the fact that they extend far beyond QB.

If we were a Big Ten team, we are closer in makeup to Iowa/Wisconsin than we are to OSU. And OSU, for all of the success that they’ve had, hasn’t really had the best string of QBs (aside from Stroud).

Just as much as we need to hit on QB, we need more speed on the perimeter, skill position guys who can easily break coverage, create separation, etc. Arguably we need this more right now than the QB. I think it’s easier to succeed with stud WRs and an average QB, than a stud QB and an average WR cast. This is our problem.

I want to watch a Notre Dame game and have our offense look like Falcons/Bucs last night, not Iowa/Wisconsin. We are slowly getting there but still have a long way to go.
 

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Nobody answered my question from a few days ago and it was a sincere question. So I'll ask again as I know some of you guys are tuned into recruiting as a whole not just ND. Has there ever been a QB that was so wishy washy like Deuce or Moore that went on to be a stud? I'm not talking about a simple flip (although I would be curious on that as well) I'm talking about the dragging it out and playing games. I feel like quick decision making is an attribute that's mandatory for a great QB. I just can't imaging the QBs as of late that made it to the NFL (CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Tua, Trevor, and Fields doing shit like this on the recruiting trail right out of HS. I get transfers and understand that once a kid is on campus he may realize not a great situation like Kyler, Ewers, Hurts and even Nix.
 

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Nobody answered my question from a few days ago and it was a sincere question. So I'll ask again as I know some of you guys are tuned into recruiting as a whole not just ND. Has there ever been a QB that was so wishy washy like Deuce or Moore that went on to be a stud? I'm not talking about a simple flip (although I would be curious on that as well) I'm talking about the dragging it out and playing games. I feel like quick decision making is an attribute that's mandatory for a great QB. I just can't imaging the QBs as of late that made it to the NFL (CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Tua, Trevor, and Fields doing shit like this on the recruiting trail right out of HS. I get transfers and understand that once a kid is on campus he may realize not a great situation like Kyler, Ewers, Hurts and even Nix.
I think there is very much a direct correlation between the kids that are wishy washy on their commitments and on the field production. Seems like it even goes beyond the QB position but it's definitely more prevalent there that at other positions because a QB has to be a good decision maker and other positions you can be good instinctually or just plane out athletically. I'm sure there are example out their of QBs that have been that way and still been successful but overall statistically I think you are right.
 

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I just would never recruit a left-handed QB, all things equal. It’s just so different from what most players are used to and takes some serious adjustment to get the rest of the offense acclimated.
 

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The guy gave me Dante vibes months ago, I just assumed he would flake at some point. I'm fine as long as Carr remains, the future is bright. The way I see it Deuce was never really all in, so nothing lost. If anything we stand to gain a more loyal player by him leaving.
Duece is the Dante of the 25 class.
 

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I am more of a bird in hand kind of guy. If this roster could have Chris Vizzina on it and Bear Bachmeier verballed to it, that would be my preference. Luckily they landed Minchey to fill the spot Moore and Vizzina could have. They have to pull that trick off again.

I understand the experts who evaluate these guys see the difference in quality, but to my fan eyes any of the gaps can be filled via development in a college program. Not to mention Notre Dame, more than most, is a program where culture has to be considered into the equation in the process. Certain guys past and present were able to adapt to it, but times have drastically changed.

Marcus rolled the dice on Dante and Deuce. Lost both times. Have to wonder if that's a gamble he's willing to make again. They certainly snapped up Grubbs early in the process, so maybe they're going to new route. Hopefully it is a while before we have to find out. Take the bird in hand.
 
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