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[Polish Leppy 22]

I addressed the 5 star that got replaced at Alabama by Gibbs. He went to SMU.

You also won't see me crying for Ga Tech either.

Georgia Tech Football Has 4th Bigget Net Rating Gain Amongst Transfer Classes In the ACC

Georgia Tech has had a busy offseason of adding talent to their roster. The Yellow Jackets have looked at upgrading a few key spots on offense, but most of the

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Creating parity isn't the point of NIL. Creating parity isn't the point of allowing transfers.

Tons of dudes in sports media celebrated NIL and transfer portal as a way to bring more parity to college football. Might not have been you, but it was incredibly shortsighted on many levels.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

2021 - 2023: Bama/GA/OSU/UW/Mich/TCU/UC/Texas: 8 teams over 3 years
2014-2020: Bama/GA/OSU/UW/Clem/OK/FSU/MSU/Oregon/LSU/ND: 11 teams over 7 years.

One can make the argument that the playoffs with NIL has provided more parity.

Yep, you can make that argument. I can counter by saying those teams from the 50s and 60s (none of which are blue bloods) won national titles without any playoff.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yep, you can make that argument. I can counter by saying those teams from the 50s and 60s (none of which are blue bloods) won national titles without any playoff.

Sure, you could compare the 50s and 60s to now. But it would likely make more sense to focus on comparing timelines that operated under the same path to a championship. If the measure is championships, how can you justify comparing winners under different paths?

The numbers bear out that parity (whether anyone likes it or not) is greater under NIL. You can look at the 12 year period you selected, but then look at the following years, was there no NIL in the 70s or 80s? Seemed like it was the same bunch of teams then. Parity dipped from your period you selected, but has shown to be measurably better with NIL but it isn't at the level of the 50's or 60's so therefore NIL isn't providing parity?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sure, you could compare the 50s and 60s to now. But it would likely make more sense to focus on comparing timelines that operated under the same path to a championship. If the measure is championships, how can you justify comparing winners under different paths?

The numbers bear out that parity (whether anyone likes it or not) is greater under NIL. You can look at the 12 year period you selected, but then look at the following years, was there no NIL in the 70s or 80s? Seemed like it was the same bunch of teams then. Parity dipped from your period you selected, but has shown to be measurably better with NIL but it isn't at the level of the 50's or 60's so therefore NIL isn't providing parity?

Go back to my original post. I specifically said up to the 70s and 80s when the TV money became a thing, which is really what separated the big boys from the not so big boys in college ball. Prior to that, everything was fairly on the same level between the schools playing college football (stadiums, facilities, coaches, trainers, TV exposure, etc.)

We would also have to break down what we're defining as parity: number of 5 stars on a roster? number of playoff appearances? 4 team vs 12 team format? records? conference championships? national championships?

 

[TorontoGold]

Go back to my original post. I specifically said up to the 70s and 80s when the TV money became a thing, which is really what separated the big boys from the not so big boys in college ball. Prior to that, everything was fairly on the same level between the schools playing college football (stadiums, facilities, coaches, trainers, TV exposure, etc.)

We would also have to break down what we're defining as parity: number of 5 stars on a roster? number of playoff appearances? 4 team vs 12 team format? records? conference championships? national championships?

Perfect, so we’ve established that there was an inflection point in the 70s and 80s. Now, take the recent history as I posted above, there are more “unique” teams in the NIL era in the playoffs than before that.

I think it would be those who claim NIL is hurting the sport and ruining parity to provide what they consider to be “parity” or how they’re measuring harm. Because without that, it’s just running in circles about feelings, the 50s, and how CFB doesn’t feel like Rudy anymore.

 

[NDWarrior]

This has prolly been discussed here in this thread, but is there a reason that ND is not doing this? Or, more importantly, not going after online NIL donations in return for an ND collector token of some kind, like it sounds like Ohio State is now doing? Kind of like VP Kamala Harris' campaign asking registered Dems for as little as $25 online. Can help build up the ND Collective NIL war chest, no? Especially with ND's national, if not global fanbase?

 

[IrishLion]

This has prolly been discussed here in this thread, but is there a reason that ND is not doing this? Or, more importantly, not going after online NIL donations in return for an ND collector token of some kind, like it sounds like Ohio State is now doing? Kind of like VP Kamala Harris' campaign asking registered Dems for as little as $25 online. Can help build up the ND Collective NIL war chest, no? Especially with ND's national, if not global fanbase?

My limited understanding is that ND decided this type of stuff was too small-time, and they basically just let the heavy hitters throw their cash around in the background instead.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This has prolly been discussed here in this thread, but is there a reason that ND is not doing this? Or, more importantly, not going after online NIL donations in return for an ND collector token of some kind, like it sounds like Ohio State is now doing? Kind of like VP Kamala Harris' campaign asking registered Dems for as little as $25 online. Can help build up the ND Collective NIL war chest, no? Especially with ND's national, if not global fanbase?

No reason not to imo. As long as we are all third party donators.

 

[Irish#1]

Anyone see this coming? UNLV QB Sluka says he's not playing anymore because representations were not upheld! Listening to the radio, there is some conjecture that he got a better offer and is sitting out to preserve his final year. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but either way, this is not good for CFB.

UNLV QB to sit out season after agent says $100,000 promised for transfer has not been paid

UNLV quarterback Matthew Sluka has decided to sit out the rest of the undefeated team’s season because of a dispute over a $100,000 NIL payment that was promised but never paid after he agreed to transfer to the Rebels last winter, Sluka’s agent told The Associated Press.

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[Jiggafini19Deux]

Billy Napier's $27M buyout isn't good for college football either, but that's probably going to be happening soon.

If you're going to promise things, you'd better deliver. Simple as that, really. If he's pulling shenanigans, that's something totally different. Either way, this is pretty much how the coaching carousel works anyway. Back channels are always at work.

UNLV was always an interesting spot for Barry Odom. He spent most of his coaching career at Missouri with a DC stop at Memphis before he became HC and a DC stop at Arkansas after. I don't know how this affects UNLV going forward, but it isn't good and will require some major spin the next time they go for someone in the Portal with NIL promises.

 

[stlnd01]

Anyone see this coming? UNLV QB Sluka says he's not playing anymore because representations were not upheld! Listening to the radio, there is some conjecture that he got a better offer and is sitting out to preserve his final year. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but either way, this is not good for CFB.

UNLV QB to sit out season after agent says $100,000 promised for transfer has not been paid

UNLV quarterback Matthew Sluka has decided to sit out the rest of the undefeated team’s season because of a dispute over a $100,000 NIL payment that was promised but never paid after he agreed to transfer to the Rebels last winter, Sluka’s agent told The Associated Press.

apnews.com

If true, that's pretty messed up.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That's pretty messed up.

So is having zero structure to any of this. So because of that, we're just getting started unless they put some parameters in place to control it.

Barry Odom is getting $1.75M a year. Think his direct deposits are late?

 

[SoIll]

Billy Napier's $27M buyout isn't good for college football either, but that's probably going to be happening soon.

If you're going to promise things, you'd better deliver. Simple as that, really. If he's pulling shenanigans, that's something totally different. Either way, this is pretty much how the coaching carousel works anyway. Back channels are always at work.

UNLV was always an interesting spot for Barry Odom. He spent most of his coaching career at Missouri with a DC stop at Memphis before he became HC and a DC stop at Arkansas after. I don't know how this affects UNLV going forward, but it isn't good and will require some major spin the next time they go for someone in the Portal with NIL promises.

So is having zero structure to any of this. So because of that, we're just getting started unless they put some parameters in place to control it.

Barry Odom is getting $1.75M a year. Think his direct deposits are late?

You're insufferable..

 

[GowerND11]

Can't we go back to secret bagmen and living in ignorant bliss?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Can't we go back to secret bagmen and living in ignorant bliss?

The 30 for 30 episodes in 20 years will be so much more interesting.

 

[stlnd01]

So is having zero structure to any of this. So because of that, we're just getting started unless they put some parameters in place to control it.

Barry Odom is getting $1.75M a year. Think his direct deposits are late?

For sure. The lack of rules is the problem. The whole sport has become the Wild West, in pretty much every direction. Players, coaches, collectives all kind of do whatever the fuck they want at this point. Obviously they need to put some rules in place but the NCAA has been so bitch-slapped by lawsuits they seem unable to come up with anything.

Personally I think a big part of the answer involves treating student-athletes more like employees, so you can have legit, above-board contracts (which can include academic requirements if you want). I'm not clear why a school like Notre Dame, which is so invested in the survival of traditional college football, is so opposed to that.

 

[Irish#1]

If true, that's pretty messed up.

He reportedly posted online, so I'm thinking this is true. This won't be the first and last time we hear a player doing this.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

For sure. The lack of rules is the problem. The whole sport has become the Wild West, in pretty much every direction. Players, coaches, collectives all kind of do whatever the fuck they want at this point. Obviously they need to put some rules in place but the NCAA has been so bitch-slapped by lawsuits they seem unable to come up with anything.

Personally I think a big part of the answer involves treating student-athletes more like employees, so you can have legit, above-board contracts (which can include academic requirements if you want). I'm not clear why a school like Notre Dame, which is so invested in the survival of traditional college football, is so opposed to that.

The sound of pearls being clutched.

Rashada already sued Napier and Florida. This is a lesser scale incident involving UNLV and a transfer from Holy Cross, but we're just getting started. If you promise and can't deliver, I don't see any reason why the player shouldn't be able to bounce at this point. There is no rule in place making UNLV accountable for giving him what was negotiated, so if he wants to call it a day I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to.

I want to know how many people here would just stick around and do it for free out of "love for their teammates." At the end of the day, I like the people I work with, but I'm not going to do it for nothing if the Private Equity Mothership decides to stop paying me.

 

[RDU Irish]

The UNLV QB thing is just popcorn worthy stuff. The uglier and more painful this NIL conversion the better. Quickly reaching the point of just ditching it all and having colleges host semi-pro teams. Why pretend anyone is a student anymore.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Remind me again why the NCAA denied Jack Coan another season at ND.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Agree with this pretty much 1000%.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[dublinirish]

getting messy

 

[yankeehater]

College football made its own bed. It has to come crashing down at some point and it will be interesting to see what that results in.

 

[Irish#1]

If that's true, then F him.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[IrishSpartan]

So some team has supposedly offered him a lot the shut down and enter the portal.... If you think about the teams that could possibly do this and their depth I can only think of a couple.
Texas no
Bama no
OhioSt no
USC no
Florida no
Oregon no
FSU doubt it
Auburn would probably put money on it

 

[IrishLion]

So some team has supposedly offered him a lot the shut down and enter the portal.... If you think about the teams that could possibly do this and their depth I can only think of a couple.
Texas no
Bama no
OhioSt no
USC no
Florida no
Oregon no
FSU doubt it
Auburn would probably put money on it

Hugh Freeze gets to do something underhanded, and he gets an excuse to visit Las Vegas on the down-low to make it happen?

Hugh Freeze having himself a good old time in that situation.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

He is completing 43.8% of his passes this year. I think it's more likely somebody who made some promises to pay him now thinks Sluka's performance isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

 

[IrishLax]

This kind of crap has happened quite frequently... parties backing out of promises or contractual obligations and screwing over players that then are basically forced to sue or transfer + start over... it's just not usually this public or high profile.

And "buyer's remorse" is certainly a thing... not sure if that's what happened here or something else... can you imagine someone asking for their money back on Riley Leonard?