Presidential Election 2024

[Bishop2b5]

You should read more Israeli news sources. There is a large number of Israelis, including all of the former heads of Shin Bet who support a two state solution.

Ironically enough, the most Orthodox Jews in Israel are adamant about not serving in the military.

But what do you do about the Palestinians? They've had chance after chance after chance to have their own state and share the region, yet have sabotaged it or outright refused to participate. For them, it's all or nothing. Kill every Jew and wipe them from the region then own the whole are. That's not going to happen, but they refuse any peaceful compromise.

 

[Bluto]

But what do you do about the Palestinians? They've had chance after chance after chance to have their own state and share the region, yet have sabotaged it or outright refused to participate. For them, it's all or nothing. Kill every Jew and wipe them from the region then own the whole are. That's not going to happen, but they refuse any peaceful compromise.

This is inaccurate.

I would encourage you to watch the documentary below where all of the former heads of Shin Bat are interviewed.

Israel has been bargaining in bad faith since Sharon was assassinated by a right wing Jew.

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The Israeli settler movement (which holds huge sway in Israeli politics) wants to do to the Palestinians exactly what you claim the Palestinians want to do to Jewish Israelis.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is inaccurate.

You should watch the documentary where all of the former leaders of Shin Bat are interviewed.

Israel has been bargaining in bad faith since Sharon was assassinated by a right wing Jew.

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I've seen it before. It's one-sided and slanted IMHO. I realize there are a lot of factors in play and neither side has been perfect, but the Palestinians have engaged in a LOT of terrorist acts over the years, intentionally targeted civilians, broken every agreement they've signed, and avoided any peaceful, two state solution. As the saying goes, if the Palestinians put down their arms tomorrow, there'd be peace. If the Israelis put down theirs, they'd all be dead the next day. Israel hasn't been perfect, but there's no moral equivalency here between the two sides. The Palestinians are 95% of the reason there's no peaceful two state solution in place already.

 

[Bluto]

I've seen it before. It's one-sided and slanted IMHO. I realize there are a lot of factors in play and neither side has been perfect, but the Palestinians have engaged in a LOT of terrorist acts over the years, intentionally targeted civilians, broken every agreement they've signed, and avoided any peaceful, two state solution. As the saying goes, if the Palestinians put down their arms tomorrow, there'd be peace. If the Israelis put down theirs, they'd all be dead the next day. Israel hasn't been perfect, but there's no moral equivalency here between the two sides. The Palestinians are 95% of the reason there's no peaceful two state solution in place already.

Ok sure. All of the former heads of Shin Bet are biased towards Palestinians. That makes zero sense.

I do not believe you actually watched it because if you did you would understand that the Oslo Accords and other agreements in the 90’s were not an agreement per se. What they did do was outline a process that if each side meet certain goals they would continue to negotiate in good faith.

The settler movement did and has done all of those exact same things you described above, including assassinating the Prime Minister of Israel all while being supported and even encouraged by the State of Israel and or Likud to torpedo that process.

That’s essentially the conclusion of all the former heads of Shin Bet presented in the documentary.

It seems you’re just making shit up and choosing to ignore anything that challenges your preconceived notions.

 

[drayer54]

Curious what the liberals in this thread about this blatant Ministry of Information shit that’s been going on regarding Kamala and the DNC, rewriting history on her positions and the media carrying water for it

I feel like we’re living in peak Soviet Union times for government and media credibility.

 

[TorontoGold]

Ok sure. All of the former heads of Shin Bat are biased towards Palestinians. That makes zero sense.

I do not believe you actually watched it because if you did you would understand that the Oslo Accords and other agreements in the 90’s were not an agreement per se. What they did do was outline a process that if each side meet certain goals they would continue to negotiate in good faith.

The settler movement did and has done all of those exact same things you described above, including assassinating the Prime Minister of Israel all while being supported and even encouraged by the State of Israel and or Likud to torpedo that process.

That’s essentially the conclusion of all the former heads of Shin Bet presented in the documentary.

It seems you’re just making shit up and choosing to ignore anything that challenges your preconceived notions.

The best sources and the people at the front of Palestinian liberation are often Jewish. There is point in engaging on the matter here. Arabs in the opinion of some are just rabid dogs who need to be slaughtered.

A great example I heard was if you were to ask the average 3XL who rides for Bibi in nowheresville if they would support China funding native Americans to remove all of the residents living a place like Buffalo because it was their ancestral homeland. They would obviously say no because that would displace the residents who’ve lived there for decades AND having huge foreign investment on their doorstep would be big scary.

But, they heard allah akbar and Palestinians should die.

 

[GATTACA!]

I feel like we’re living in peak Soviet Union times for government and media credibility.

Anyone can edit a Wikipedia page. Shapiro could be doing it himself to increase his own chances.

You guys wouldn’t stop crying about leftist Palestine supporters. Now that it’s looking like the dem candidate might pick a Jewish running mate you’ve found a way to complain about that too. Lol.

 

[ulukinatme]

To be fair that’s essentially the same position that right wing Israelis, including Netanyahu have staked out.

I do find it interesting that American Christians seem to have a knee jerk reaction to side with the State of Israel at the expense of their fellow Christians who happen to be Palestinian.

I don't think Christianity comes into play really. As of 2015 the number of Christian Palestinians in the West Bank was between 1-2.5% of the population, while there was less than 1% in the Gaza Strip. Israel isn't much different, as of 2022 only 1.9% of the population in Israel is Christian. Despite population growth, there are less Christians in this area than there were 100 years ago.

I think for many Americans they side with Israel because they're a democratic ally, one of the few in the Middle East. I would argue that Judaism is closer linked to Christianity than Islam as well, given that the roots of Christianity come from the Old Testament. I'm just spitballin' though, there's probably other factors like economic ties that could be contributing.

 

[drayer54]

Anyone can edit a Wikipedia page. Shapiro could be doing it himself to increase his own chances.

You guys wouldn’t stop crying about leftist Palestine supporters. Now that it’s looking like the dem candidate might pick a Jewish running mate you’ve found a way to complain about that too. Lol.

I’m complaining about how we just observed media cover up a Presidents mental condition for at least a year, minimal pushback to a White House who lied about it, now we’re watching media align with the Harris campaign to edit previous articles to make old news stories align with her current talking points, a candidate is reversing on at least 10 major policy positions held within the last four years and it’s completely unchallenged, and the most aggressive media promotion of a candidate I’ve ever seen since Biden stepped down.

The media is so far left and so far gone that our government has no accountability. It’s a real problem.

 

[Irish#1]

Anyone can edit a Wikipedia page. Shapiro could be doing it himself to increase his own chances.

You guys wouldn’t stop crying about leftist Palestine supporters. Now that it’s looking like the dem candidate might pick a Jewish running mate you’ve found a way to complain about that too. Lol.

The fact that it’s being edited regardless of by whom is a sad statement in itself.

 

[NorthDakota]

You should read more Israeli news sources. There is a large number of Israelis, including all of the former heads of Shin Bet who support a two state solution.

Ironically enough, the most Orthodox Jews in Israel are adamant about not serving in the military

Hassids don't serve, correct.

I was warned by the orthodox jews to stay away from them lol. I was friends with a couple of them. One of them got married after I think about a month of dating.

 

[NorthDakota]

To be fair that’s essentially the same position that right wing Israelis, including Netanyahu have staked out.

I do find it interesting that American Christians seem to have a knee jerk reaction to side with the State of Israel at the expense of their fellow Christians who happen to be Palestinian.

My parents hosted foreign exchange students. The eldest came to visit a month ago and brought her Arab Israeli boyfriend. He's Catholic. From some little town by the border with Lebanon.

He's not super keen on Israel but he hates Palestinians lol. With Israel he has to put up with some stuff that makes him roll his eyes. With Palestinians he's either killed or a second class citizen. Those are his words, not mine.

 

[Bluto]

I don't think Christianity comes into play really. As of 2015 the number of Christian Palestinians in the West Bank was between 1-2.5% of the population, while there was less than 1% in the Gaza Strip. Israel isn't much different, as of 2022 only 1.9% of the population in Israel is Christian. Despite population growth, there are less Christians in this area than there were 100 years ago.

I think for many Americans they side with Israel because they're a democratic ally, one of the few in the Middle East. I would argue that Judaism is closer linked to Christianity than Islam as well, given that the roots of Christianity come from the Old Testament. I'm just spitballin' though, there's probably other factors like economic ties that could be contributing.

Christianity has for thousands of years and always will continue to come into play in a conflict in that region in that many Chrisitan holy sites are in that area. During the British mandate Christian Palestinians were 9.5% of the total population. According to Wikipedia there were 500,000 Palestinian Christians globally as of 2000.

“The mayors of Ramallah, Birzeit, Bethlehem, Zababdeh, Jifna, Ein 'Arik, Aboud, Taybeh, Beit Jala and Beit Sahour are Christians. The Governor of Tubas, Marwan Tubassi, is a Christian. The former Palestinian representative to the United States, Afif Saffieh, is a Christian, as is the ambassador of the Palestinian Authority in France, Hind Khoury.”

Israel is democratic to a point. The US supports all kinds of shitty monarchs, dictators and terrorist producing countries.

That being the case I think that demonstrates democracy has little if anything to do with this. I think the reality is Britain saw Israel as an opportunity to jettison its some of its Jewish population post WW2. While both the US and British saw Israel as leverage/an attack dog against Arab nationalism which would help the US and Britain maintain its grip on oil revenues within the region.

I will say I find it strange that any “freedom loving” American would support a Theocratic, Apartheid State.

 

[Bluto]

My parents hosted foreign exchange students. The eldest came to visit a month ago and brought her Arab Israeli boyfriend. He's Catholic. From some little town by the border with Lebanon.

He's not super keen on Israel but he hates Palestinians lol. With Israel he has to put up with some stuff that makes him roll his eyes. With Palestinians he's either killed or a second class citizen. Those are his words, not mine.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I think that demonstrates the complexities of the situation.

Per my post above there are plenty of Christians who have had official positions with the Palestinian Authority.

 

[NorthDakota]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I think that demonstrates the complexities of the situation.

Per my post above there are plenty of Christians who have had official positions with the Palestinian Authority.

Yeah from what he said it sounds like a mess. Not sure how to solve that. He made a comment that people have fought over it for the last thousand years so it makes sense that this stuff is ongoing.

It was very interesting to hear his experiences. I'd love to go visit sometime when tensions aren't so high.

 

[Irish2155]

I just received my next mortgage statement. Every year under Biden my taxes have raised substantially. Total payment has literally increased 40% now since Biden has been in office. What was $1300 a month is now $1800.

I’ll be fine but just don’t understand. I work my ass off every day.

No reason to beat the hard working middle class down.

 

[drayer54]

I just received my next mortgage statement. Every year under Biden my taxes have raised substantially. Total payment has literally increased 40% now since Biden has been in office. What was $1300 a month is now $1800.

I’ll be fine but just don’t understand. I work my ass off every day.

No reason to beat the hard working middle class down.

My insurance went way up because of inflation and home/material prices. Auto insurance went up. Property taxes are no longer Indiana cheap. The Bidenomics has trickled into everything.

 

[GoIrish41]

I just received my next mortgage statement. Every year under Biden my taxes have raised substantially. Total payment has literally increased 40% now since Biden has been in office. What was $1300 a month is now $1800.

I’ll be fine but just don’t understand. I work my ass off every day.

No reason to beat the hard working middle class down.

Ive owned several houses since 1989 and this is the norm regardless of who is president. Welcome to capitalism.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Ive owned several houses since 1989 and this is the norm regardless of who is president. Welcome to capitalism.

21% inflation over four years is most certainly NOT the norm. Gas has doubled over the past four years. Food cost has more than doubled. Housing is up over 20%. This is not the norm.

 

[Irish2155]

Ive owned several houses since 1989 and this is the norm regardless of who is president. Welcome to capitalism.

My step mom has owed property before you were born. And no, this is not the norm.

 

[GoIrish41]

21% inflation over four years is most certainly NOT the norm. Gas has doubled over the past four years. Food cost has more than doubled. Housing is up over 20%. This is not the norm.

My parents bought their house in 1975 for $27k. That house is currently on the market for $225k in a very, very average neighborhood. How do you explain that 833 percent difference?

My mortgage goes up every year by $200 or more because the assessed value goes up. Of course it’s normal.

“Between 2021 and 2022, the food and beverage industry recorded more than $155 billion in profits, according to Forbes. Cargill recorded a 23 percent jump in revenue last year to $165 billion—$6.68 billion of which was profit. Tyson Foods, the largest meat producer in the U.S., nearly doubled its profits in the first quarter of 2022 due to soaring meat prices.

That profit windfall is making its way to corporate food executives and their shareholders. Last year, Tyson Foods’ CEO’s salary increased by 33 percent to $12 million. Cargill doled out $1.21 billion in its fiscal year 2022 to shareholders—an all-time record.”

 

[Irish2155]

My parents bought their house in 1975 for $27k. That house is currently on the market for $225k in a very, very average neighborhood. How do you explain that 833 percent difference?

My mortgage goes up every year by $200 or more because the assessed value goes up. Of course it’s normal.

“Between 2021 and 2022, the food and beverage industry recorded more than $155 billion in profits, according to Forbes. Cargill recorded a 23 percent jump in revenue last year to $165 billion—$6.68 billion of which was profit. Tyson Foods, the largest meat producer in the U.S., nearly doubled its profits in the first quarter of 2022 due to soaring meat prices.

That profit windfall is making its way to corporate food executives and their shareholders. Last year, Tyson Foods’ CEO’s salary increased by 33 percent to $12 million. Cargill doled out $1.21 billion in its fiscal year 2022 to shareholders—an all-time record.”

You’re full of shit. I don’t even need to read this to know you’re full of shit. If you can’t even agree on a stone cold fact, then I feel bad for you.

Here is a fact: trump gets elected and that mortgage payment starts coming down.

 

[Irish2155]

I’ve had this house for 10 years. How come the payment raised 40% only in the last four. Idiot

 

[ulukinatme]

Christianity has for thousands of years and always will continue to come into play in a conflict in that region in that many Chrisitan holy sites are in that area. During the British mandate Christian Palestinians were 9.5% of the total population. According to Wikipedia there were 500,000 Palestinian Christians globally as of 2000.

“The mayors of Ramallah, Birzeit, Bethlehem, Zababdeh, Jifna, Ein 'Arik, Aboud, Taybeh, Beit Jala and Beit Sahour are Christians. The Governor of Tubas, Marwan Tubassi, is a Christian. The former Palestinian representative to the United States, Afif Saffieh, is a Christian, as is the ambassador of the Palestinian Authority in France, Hind Khoury.”

Israel is democratic to a point. The US supports all kinds of shitty monarchs, dictators and terrorist producing countries.

That being the case I think that demonstrates democracy has little if anything to do with this. I think the reality is Britain saw Israel as an opportunity to jettison its some of its Jewish population post WW2. While both the US and British saw Israel as leverage/an attack dog against Arab nationalism which would help the US and Britain maintain its grip on oil revenues within the region.

I will say I find it strange that any “freedom loving” American would support a Theocratic, Apartheid State.

I think you just haven't met enough people from Israel. I worked for a company for several years that was originally based in Tel Aviv, with a US office in Texas. We would get employees from Tel Aviv coming to the states frequently and we'd get to hear what life was like over there. We also sent some of our guys there for cross training. Most did their time in the IDF, got out and enjoyed a peaceful life and wanted nothing else. They did have some wild stories about serving though. Stories like during a ceasefire my buddy was sitting up against a tank at an outpost late at night, he passes out for a bit, only to be awoken by the sound of bullets ricocheting off the tank around his head from Hamas terrorists. Stories of rockets being fired from civilian structures, like hotels and schools, trying to bait Israelis into counterattacks to make them look like the bad guys. Around this same time Hamas was also broadcasting Tomorrow's Pioneers, essentially indoctrinating future terrorists in the guise of a children's television program. If you've never seen that, look that shit up.

While there were a lot of crazy stories about stuff that goes on there, day to day live is typically peaceful. Despite some of the nasty things they've seen and experienced, the general consensus was that they all wanted to live in peace and supported a 2 state setup. Many have friends on the other side. One of my good friends, not work related, moved from Israel to Canada 20 years ago. He lost an eye to a Hamas insurgent during his time in the IDF, but his best friend in this world in an Arab man that lives in Palestine. I think you'd find in many ways they're a lot like us. Unlike Hamas strong arming the people of Palestine, Israel has fair elections and they generally use their military for defense.

 

[calvegas04]

Bought my house in 2014 and taxes and food cost have gone up every year since.

 

[TorontoGold]

Dear lord, we’re doing the “I don’t understand how the economy works, my diaper is full” routine. If you think for a second Donny being elected would drop your mortgage payment out of anything he’s doing you’re probably not capable of driving a car.

 

[GoIrish41]

You’re full of shit. I don’t even need to read this to know you’re full of shit. If you can’t even agree on a stone cold fact, then I feel bad for you.

Here is a fact: trump gets elected and that mortgage payment starts coming down.

I suspect you really are as dumb as you sound so I’ll keep it simple for ya. The economy improved and the value of your house increased. The assessed value translates to higher tax rates. I’m sure you’ll be sure to praise Biden when you sell your house for double what you purchased it for (you won’t) in a few years. 🙄

The median cost for a house in the US climbed from $299k in 2020 to $412k today. On average, homeowners are paying real estate taxes on homes that have appreciated nearly $138% since Biden took office, almost perfectly reflecting the mortgage increase you claim. I don’t know what to tell ya, bro, the math is the math.

Those assessments will rise no matter who is president the next 4 years. But I’m full of shit, so by all means you you keep yelling at the shadows and I’ll roll my eyes at your lack of practical life experience and eagerness to point fingers at liberal boogie men whenever you don’t understand how the world works.

 

[Bishop2b5]

My parents bought their house in 1975 for $27k. That house is currently on the market for $225k in a very, very average neighborhood. How do you explain that 833 percent difference?

My mortgage goes up every year by $200 or more because the assessed value goes up. Of course it’s normal.

“Between 2021 and 2022, the food and beverage industry recorded more than $155 billion in profits, according to Forbes. Cargill recorded a 23 percent jump in revenue last year to $165 billion—$6.68 billion of which was profit. Tyson Foods, the largest meat producer in the U.S., nearly doubled its profits in the first quarter of 2022 due to soaring meat prices.

That profit windfall is making its way to corporate food executives and their shareholders. Last year, Tyson Foods’ CEO’s salary increased by 33 percent to $12 million. Cargill doled out $1.21 billion in its fiscal year 2022 to shareholders—an all-time record.”

You said that sort of rise in prices was the norm. It most certainly isn't. If you believe it is, then show us how often inflation has risen 21% in a four year span.

 

[ulukinatme]

Record inflation during this administration, 5+% increase on interest rates, and household debt jumped from $14 trillion in 2020 to $18 trillion today, twice the jump it did under the previous administration.

But yeah, take your crazy pills, things are better today because of Bidenomics! We clearly don't see the truth right in front of our eyes.

 

[GoIrish41]

I’ve had this house for 10 years. How come the payment raised 40% only in the last four. Idiot

… most likely because you are lying to try to win an argument, dumb fuck.