Presidential Election 2024

[LifelongFan]

I don't really wade into the politics side, but I'd say look at the title: "MAGA has a problem" not fiscal conservatism has a problem. Everything is a culture war now, and I think cultural ideas are much more stable throughout life than economic ideas. MAGA and Trump are more defined by cultural values at the moment. It's more likely the harder liberals will evolve into blue dog democrats if MAGA were to remain the dominant ideology in the parry, which I doubt really.

 

[TorontoGold]

To the former, your civilization dying off. Not running out of workers or consumers. Basic Peter Zeihan stuff.

It's generally healthy for a country to have young men and women meet, fall in love, buy a home and start families. They aren't even meeting now, let alone having babies.

It's also very unhealthy mentally, emotionally and physically for young people today in the current state of loneliness for them.

I don't know what to do, government wise. I think China is trying some things because they are about to collapse by about 300 million people in the next 10 years. Germany is cooked. So are some other European countries.

Sure, you can just keep importing immigrants from other nations to fill the gaps but that's not fixing the societal issues. It's masking it.

If you're integrating new citizens into your nation are you not keeping your civilization going? If I was to immigrate to the US and my children were born in the US, would my kids not be keeping the civilization going?

If today's state is not conducive to having a healthy society, especially with the idea of income concerns, what aspects of current conservative policy lends itself to helping bridge a wealth gap so a greater number people can afford to start families?

(I know we'll probably not agree on social/culture matters and it's probably just my opinion vs yours)

 

[NDPhilly]

Regardless of the current “enthusiasm” for Kamala, i have a hard time believing the moderates in swing states (especially those who are older / not terminally online) are going to vote for someone who was previously one of the country’s most progressive senators. She can try to move to the center if she wants, but her record is her record, and her stance on cultural issues is going to be off putting to many in PA and Michigan IMO. There’s a reason she did so bad in 2020.

 

[Bishop2b5]

What is the downside of people having less children?

 

[LifelongFan]

The best chance for Kamala is being younger and more presentable. I think it's a toss-up right now. Most elections will be a toss-up because it is going to come down to 25,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin for the near future. I don't think policy matters. I think if people want someone more stable than Trump or Biden, both of whom were going to be the least stable candidates maybe ever, then Kamala can pull ahead. It's hard for vice presidents though. I think they can get the bad press of the presidency and none of the stuff people liked. Being a progressive senator might not kill her because she was tied with the Biden administration.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If you're integrating new citizens into your nation are you not keeping your civilization going? If I was to immigrate to the US and my children were born in the US, would my kids not be keeping the civilization going?

If today's state is not conducive to having a healthy society, especially with the idea of income concerns, what aspects of current conservative policy lends itself to helping bridge a wealth gap so a greater number people can afford to start families?

(I know we'll probably not agree on social/culture matters and it's probably just my opinion vs yours)

I honestly don't know, Toronto. I've only recently been delving into these issues. The crisis with young men, boss babes hitting thirty single and hitting the wall, modern home buying(we've been in ours for 20 years)and the astronomical costs now. Doesn't anybody build $250,000 homes anymore? You look around and say, nope.

All of this is contributing to the death of the American dream. 26 year olds used to be able to buy a home on one income. Young men felt like they could support a family and children were raised by their mother and not daycare.

I don't think either side really wants a solution. They both seem content with the two income trap and outsourcing manufacturing across the globe.

 

[Bishop2b5]

The best chance for Kamala is being younger and more presentable. I think it's a toss-up right now. Most elections will be a toss-up because it is going to come down to 25,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin for the near future. I don't think policy matters. I think if people want someone more stable than Trump or Biden, both of whom were going to be the least stable candidates maybe ever, then Kamala can pull ahead. It's hard for vice presidents though. I think they can get the bad press of the presidency and none of the stuff people liked. Being a progressive senator might not kill her because she was tied with the Biden administration.

But how do the Dems give Kamala any gravitas? This is someone who's public record is years and years of word salad nonsense, giggling inappropriately, 3 1/2 years of doing essentially nothing as the VP, and a track record of getting roasted in debates and real interviews. Nothing about her says she's serious or competent or capable. Everything about her screams nitwitted, no self-awareness, and not someone who's going to be strong or have any depth to them. Heck, those are all things many Dems themselves have been saying about her for years.

 

[IrishLax]

Regardless of the current “enthusiasm” for Kamala, i have a hard time believing the moderates in swing states (especially those who are older / not terminally online) are going to vote for someone who was previously one of the country’s most progressive senators. She can try to move to the center if she wants, but her record is her record, and her stance on cultural issues is going to be off putting to many in PA and Michigan IMO. There’s a reason she did so bad in 2020.

I’m pretty much convinced that *if* Trump loses it’ll be because he went full Sarah Palin with the Vance pick. He is already falling flat and there are rumors that Trump regrets the pick + Elon backed down from his $45M/month pledge.



If Trump had picked Rubio I think the race would be 100% over because he would guaranteed carry Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I really don't get the Vance pick. Not a bad guy, but adds nothing to the ticket and doesn't swing anyone Trump's way. It won't happen, but I wish Vance would announce that he's changed his mind and let Trump have a Mulligan.

 

[Henges24]

Decent space on X right now detailing the attempted assassination, for anyone interested.

 

[NDPhilly]

I’m pretty much convinced that *if* Trump loses it’ll be because he went full Sarah Palin with the Vance pick. He is already falling flat and there are rumors that Trump regrets the pick + Elon backed down from his $45M/month pledge.



If Trump had picked Rubio I think the race would be 100% over because he would guaranteed carry Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia.

Agree, I didn’t get it at the time, and I get it even less after hearing him speak. If his sole job is to appeal to midwestern voters, then maybe he’s ok, but not a great start.

 

[LifelongFan]

But how do the Dems give Kamala any gravitas? This is someone who's public record is years and years of word salad nonsense, giggling inappropriately, 3 1/2 years of doing essentially nothing as the VP, and a track record of getting roasted in debates and real interviews. Nothing about her says she's serious or competent or capable. Everything about her screams nitwitted, no self-awareness, and not someone who's going to be strong or have any depth to them. Heck, those are all things many Dems themselves have been saying about her for years.

Because it's about image. Kamala is Xanned out for sure, but if she seems sharp in speeches and can stay on topic she will look better than Trump and DEFINITELY Biden. Democrats just needed anyone to re-energize them. It's a weird election. Kamala is probably the worst choice because baggage will come up more than Whitmore or Shapiro or whoever they could have picked. But the base is back up.

 

[LifelongFan]

Vance was a classic screw up, just like Tim Kaine was for Hillary. He was picked because he has been kissing Trump's ass and Trump is egotistical enough for that to work. Like that tweet said, he did pretty terrible in Ohio all things considered. He's a weirdo, cosplays as an Appalachian, clear careerist, flip flops like crazy. He's a lot like Hillary honestly.

 

[NDPhilly]

Trump literally just needs to run something like this and swing states and keep his mouth shut.

 

[Irish#1]

lol

 

[Irish#1]

Probably when you started having responsibility. Having a wife, children, and owning land tends to do that to you. Having a stake in things rather than simply existing like somebody single in an apartment.

I married when I was 20 and had two kids within the first 2 1/2 years. For the record, she wasn't pregnant when we married. lol

 

[Irish#1]

 

[NDVirginia19]

This isn't just normal gaslighting. This is advanced gaslighting.

 

[NorthDakota]

This isn't just normal gaslighting. This is advanced gaslighting.

So shameless lmao

 

[yankeehater]

Here is a poll that shows Trump has a 19-point advantage over Kamala with young voters (18-34). The margin is larger than he even had over Biden. Maybe the population turning younger isn't a bad thing after all for Trump.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

Here is a poll that shows Trump has a 19-point advantage over Kamala with young voters (18-34). The margin is larger than he even had over Biden. Maybe the population turning younger isn't a bad thing after all for Trump.

MSN

www.msn.com

I have skepticism over a lot of these polls. I see very little chance Trump wins 18-34 by 19 points, if he wins that demographic it would be very slight.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Trump literally just needs to run something like this and swing states and keep his mouth shut.

GovTrack…a non-partisan org…has her left of Bernie Sanders. Why weren’t all the Bernie Bros clamoring for her earlier?!

 

[ab2cmiller]

GovTrack…a non-partisan org…has her left of Bernie Sanders. Why weren’t all the Bernie Bros clamoring for her earlier?!

I'm assuming it's because they don't trust that she's really that far left. They fear that it was all pretend just to elevate her profile amongst the party. Instead they fear that she's the hard ass prosecutor going after people for smoking marijuana.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTL2VctXUAA7EYG?format=png&name=900x900

 

[NDVirginia19]

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

 

[ulukinatme]

Saw Hawk Tuah was trending again, but not because of the viral Hailey girl. Apparently that's the name they're giving to Kamala. I could see that backfiring.

 

[NDPhilly]

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

As a guy who aligns with Mitt Romney more than anyone, its difficult to not go full MAGA when the media and our institutions are so blatantly in the bag for the Democratic party.

 

[NDShark]

In the meantime I recommend people check out: 2024 Presidential Quiz

I am 81% aligned with Trump. My highest were Youngkin and Haley at 84%.

45% aligned with Joe Exotic

 

[NDVirginia19]

Truly the enemy of the people. "JoUrnAliSts Don'T piCk a SiDe. PerIod"

 

[ulukinatme]

This is so true. I was a staunch Dem when I was younger. I don't remember when I flipped, but it was in that 30 range.

Welcome to IE!

With age comes wisdom.

Young people tend to vote liberal for a reason. Kamala knows.