‘24 NJ DL Owen Wafle (Michigan Verbal)

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What is this a cult? Don’t think there’s a consensus on this matter bc we aren’t sure what the deal is.
 
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CanadalovesND said:
I like Wafle. Not sure how high of ceiling he would have had, but I still believe he’ll be a solid college player.

I see the Michigan chatter, but I wonder if Elko goes hard after him. He’s a Duke Legacy.
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If he was indeed trying to visit Michigan then it's a zero tolerance policy and I understand the decision.

If it wasn't, then I'm with you and I see a solid prospect that likely holds some value to the depth chart at some point in his collegiate career. Listed at 6'2, 290 and built like a brick shit house. He has much less physical development in front of him than say a Sevillano. And he's a decent athlete at that size. I think we'd be looking at a slightly bigger/better version of Kurt Hinish.

Do we need better than that to win a Natty? Yes, we do. Do we have better than that in this class? Not yet. Is Sean Sevillano that prospect? I don't think so.

So, it might be a slight upgrade in prospect at the risk of leaving us exposed in the event things don't go our way. I'd have 2 DT's with Scott being the 3rd if in the end he can say no to the big money. I don't like the risk reward of this, if it was just the coach's decision.
 
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If he was indeed trying to visit Michigan then it's a zero tolerance policy and I understand the decision.

If it wasn't, then I'm with you and I see a solid prospect that likely holds some value to the depth chart at some point in his collegiate career. Listed at 6'2, 290 and built like a brick shit house. He has much less physical development in front of him than say a Sevillano. And he's a decent athlete at that size. I think we'd be looking at a slightly bigger/better version of Kurt Hinish.

Do we need better than that to win a Natty? Yes, we do. Do we have better than that in this class? Not yet. Is Sean Sevillano that prospect? I don't think so.

So, it might be a slight upgrade in prospect at the risk of leaving us exposed in the event things don't go our way. I'd have 2 DT's with Scott being the 3rd if in the end he can say no to the big money. I don't like the risk reward of this, if it was just the coach's decision.
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22 sacks as a junior as a idl? Idk if he is really as poor as you guys are making him out to be, but I am no expert
 
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22 sacks as a junior as a idl? Idk if he is really as poor as you guys are making him out to be, but I am no expert
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The argument is that he doesn’t play at the highest level of Florida High School football. The film shows a gap between his competition and the top level competition in the state.
 
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22 sacks as a junior as a idl? Idk if he is really as poor as you guys are making him out to be, but I am no expert
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Unsure how you reached that conclusion from what I said.

I said I think Wafle is a solid prospect and he’s a slight upgrade. Don’t understand how one could interpret that as saying he’s bad, unless you’re trying too.

I also said he isn’t a championship level DT. There is a lot of good between bad and a first day DT.
 
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Unsure how you reached that conclusion from what I said.

I said I think Wafle is a solid prospect and he’s a slight upgrade. Don’t understand how one could interpret that as saying he’s bad, unless you’re trying too.

I also said he isn’t a championship level DT. There is a lot of good between bad and a first day DT.
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What makes you think he’s not a championship dt though? His rating? His measurables? Because he is dominating lower level competition, like someone being recruited should
 
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What makes you think he’s not a championship dt though? His rating? His measurables? Because he is dominating lower level competition, like someone being recruited should
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I’m not trying to be rude, I’m genuinely curious why we are low on him when he has great stats
 
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I don't believe I'm low on him. I believe I have a higher opinion of him than most sites do.

He lacks ideal height/length for an elite DT. Likely sub 6'2. Doesn't mean he can't be just means odds are stacked against him. I think he shows very good balance, leverage, and burst. But, he needs some body work and will likely max out below someone that is taller/longer. The competition is terrible so seeing how he performs against bigger guys would only help. He looked good at a camp setting I saw footage of. But again, short/wide, quick of the ball DT. Love it.

As I posted in his thread. This is a quality prospect. But, he's no different than the Howard Cross's and Jacob Lacey's of the world. Solid additions to a depth chart but the very type of DT prospect nobody wanted, a few months ago.
 
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Wouldn’t this be the second player in recent classes to lave us for scUM? Not the other way around?
 
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What’s your take on it?
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I didn’t think he was a hot recruit but man did Driskell swear by him and I do think Driskell views lots of film. To his credit he has stayed w his opinion on this kid.

I would think the staff see a couple better recruits ahead to let him go.
 
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Luckylucci said:
I don't believe I'm low on him. I believe I have a higher opinion of him than most sites do.

He lacks ideal height/length for an elite DT. Likely sub 6'2. Doesn't mean he can't be just means odds are stacked against him. I think he shows very good balance, leverage, and burst. But, he needs some body work and will likely max out below someone that is taller/longer. The competition is terrible so seeing how he performs against bigger guys would only help. He looked good at a camp setting I saw footage of. But again, short/wide, quick of the ball DT. Love it.

As I posted in his thread. This is a quality prospect. But, he's no different than the Howard Cross's and Jacob Lacey's of the world. Solid additions to a depth chart but the very type of DT prospect nobody wanted, a few months ago.
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To be fair, Jacob Lacey was a fairly highly rated DT who held offers from Clemson, Tennessee, Penn State and Michigan. Teams definitely wanted him.

Sevillano appears to have a higher physical ceiling than either of them. Lacey and Cross could never seem to get past 280-290 in a college weight room. Sevillano is 325 as is.

Now, I think he has a good bit of development needed in order to cut the bad weight and add more good weight, but I'd say he can carry a good bit more weight and play the NT spot compared to either of those two.

I'm not sure if he's a championship caliber DT, but the fact that he is able to consistently show that level of balance, leverage and burst, while playing at 325 for his height is a good sign that he can play at a significantly higher weight than Cross or Lacey while it not hindering any of those qualities.
 
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