Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

[T-Boone]

James was ranked higher that either Flores and Greathouse. But all 4 stars.

Merriweather 4* top 100

Styles (not here) Colzie both 4 star top 125

Thomas 3 star

A lot of teams are doing a ton more with a lot less.

The fella's may have too much on their plate with going to classes and having to get proper grades.

 

[OhioIrish]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

 

[Rizzophil]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

Are we doing this again ?

 

[OhioIrish]

Are we doing this again ?

I guess so? I don’t think everyone visits IE daily. Feel free to comment on other threads.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

I think you're crazy. Thomas and Colzie both showed signs of improvement before injuries. Merriweather I would classify as frustrating more than anything. He was hurt and didn't produce last year. The last month will really show his progress. Styles just quit on the team and himself last year and I don't think ever truly wanted to be at ND. The freshmen have been impressive. The problem in my opinion is more with the OC and play calling. Parker isn't calling and scheming any many beaters, and unfortunately we aren't athletic at the position to beat man coverage by just being more athletic. We're not seeing enough pre-snap motion, and man coverage beater concepts on offense.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Is ND the only fan base that looks to make changes to coaching staffs, or playing time after a 58-7 win?? I feel like this is weekly thing. Do ND fans wake up, looking for something to complain about? I feel like we could play the perfect game, win 97-0 with one missed extra point, and the internet coaches would be calling to replace the special teams coordinator and the place kicker for failing to do their jobs. I am not calling you out, Ohio, but it does seem like every thread gets taken over by this stuff.

 

[allenm5333]

I mean, they could have had the Washington WR coach...

 

[OhioIrish]

I think you're crazy. Thomas and Colzie both showed signs of improvement before injuries. Merriweather I would classify as frustrating more than anything. He was hurt and didn't produce last year. The last month will really show his progress. Styles just quit on the team and himself last year and I don't think ever truly wanted to be at ND. The freshmen have been impressive. The problem in my opinion is more with the OC and play calling. Parker isn't calling and scheming any many beaters, and unfortunately we aren't athletic at the position to beat man coverage by just being more athletic. We're not seeing enough pre-snap motion, and man coverage beater concepts on offense.

Yea, I think that’s fair. Perhaps he deserves more time. We just haven’t seen the development when compared to the other position groups who play in the same system with the same line and their own injuries. But, point taken.

 

[OhioIrish]

Is ND the only fan base that looks to make changes to coaching staffs, or playing time after a 58-7 win?? I feel like this is weekly thing. Do ND fans wake up, looking for something to complain about? I feel like we could play the perfect game, win 97-0 with one missed extra point, and the internet coaches would be calling to replace the special teams coordinator and the place kicker for failing to do their jobs. I am not calling you out, Ohio, but it does seem like every thread gets taken over by this stuff.

I think it is games like this that make us realize that we are close, and as a result we look for weak links. I live in Columbus and can tell you we are definitely not the only fanbase that does this! It’s not meant to be a complaint, just an observation about where I think we can get better — personally, I enjoy that part of fandom. We are very close, imo, and in my experience the programs that find success tend to be those that are aggressive about upgrading talent and coaching.

 

[DillonHall]

I mean, they could have had the Washington WR coach...

That was probably a missed opportunity

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Yea, I think that’s fair. Perhaps he deserves more time. We just haven’t seen the development when compared to the other position groups who play in the same system with the same line and their own injuries. But, point taken.

Not sure how the offensive line play is going to scheme receivers open, but point taken

 

[arrowryan]

Yea, I think that’s fair. Perhaps he deserves more time. We just haven’t seen the development when compared to the other position groups who play in the same system with the same line and their own injuries. But, point taken.

Stuckey inherited nothing. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Tyree, Flores, Greathouse (when healthy, and Thomas (when healthy).

Next year will be the year where he will have real pieces to work with.

 

[Lberry]

Is ND the only fan base that looks to make changes to coaching staffs, or playing time after a 58-7 win?? I feel like this is weekly thing. Do ND fans wake up, looking for something to complain about? I feel like we could play the perfect game, win 97-0 with one missed extra point, and the internet coaches would be calling to replace the special teams coordinator and the place kicker for failing to do their jobs. I am not calling you out, Ohio, but it does seem like every thread gets taken over by this stuff.

I hate this reoccurring argument. It's a Notre Dame football discussion board. Not a happiness board.

Are there really people who cannot be happy with the result and overall direction of the program, while also acknowledging and discussing why we'll again fall short and are not one of the ~10 teams still playing for a national championship?

I pray to God the powers that be have much higher standards than "we whooped Pitt, everything is perfect".

 

[NDFAN2008]

Cam Williams
Is on the way he’s a day one starter

 

[PutuporShutup]

I don’t get what they’re doing with Thomas and greathouse

Thomas was in running deep route in the fourth quarter I think and it looked like he twinged it again

This is not how you get a hamstring to improve, you have to build it back up…
Using it for 4-5 hours albeit sporadically is not it

 

[INLaw]

This years freshman are the tits. The next year freshman look great on paper. I wanna see more of that group before I have a real opinion on Stuckey

 

[Crazy Balki]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

Thomas has been hurt most of the year. Merriweather is in his first year of action and hit a road-block. Colzie has been out with injury.

Styles gave up.

And the Freshman regressed? Huh? What are you talking about? Flores has PRO-gressed, not regressed. Greathouse is also coming back from injury.

The reality is that ND doesn't have a lot of talent or bodies right now. Building the WR corp is going to take time because of how bad the unit was left when Kelly and Del moved on.

 

[stpeteirish]

Is ND the only fan base that looks to make changes to coaching staffs, or playing time after a 58-7 win?? I feel like this is weekly thing. Do ND fans wake up, looking for something to complain about? I feel like we could play the perfect game, win 97-0 with one missed extra point, and the internet coaches would be calling to replace the special teams coordinator and the place kicker for failing to do their jobs. I am not calling you out, Ohio, but it does seem like every thread gets taken over by this stuff.

It "seems like?" It does. Its actually worse now because everyone's in love with the Head Coach. So the assistants must be terrible.

 

[brewdog_14527]

I hate this reoccurring argument. It's a Notre Dame football discussion board. Not a happiness board.

Are there really people who cannot be happy with the result and overall direction of the program, while also acknowledging and discussing why we'll again fall short and are not one of the ~10 teams still playing for a national championship?

I pray to God the powers that be have much higher standards than "we whooped Pitt, everything is perfect".

You have taken that to an art form. And as much as I appreciate you putting words into my mouth, if you want to constantly bitch about the state of the program, be my guest. It is just annoying as hell to see it ALL the time. I know what you and some others are going to say about a coach, recruit, admin before I ever get to your post in a thread. That doesn't make your comments something unbelievably intelligent. If I know what you are going to say before I read it, you are just producing the same inane commentary as the last post you spoke in. If you want to complain after a 56-7 win, and complain about the state of the program, by all means go for it. Just seems like a miserable way to "enjoy" a football season that lasts about 14 weeks of the year.

 

[stpeteirish]

I don’t get what they’re doing with Thomas and greathouse

Thomas was in running deep route in the fourth quarter I think and it looked like he twinged it again

This is not how you get a hamstring to improve, you have to build it back up…
Using it for 4-5 hours albeit sporadically is not it

Its pretty obvious what they're doing with those two guys. They don't trust the rest of the WR group so they go with Thomas and Greathouse who look good in practice going 80-90%.
Not sure it isn't the best option, but I'd love to see what Faison can do. He is gifted with some genuine elusive talent. That punt return was impressive.

And there's hope that Colzie can get back in there soon.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Are we doing this again ?

Apparently

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I’m not as concerned w/ Stuckey as I am the fact that three of the starting WR have hamstring issues to varying degrees. Colzie looked like he was breaking out at the end of last year and started this year w/ a bang…albeit vs Navy…before getting injured & requiring surgery.

I noticed no one in this thread pointed out how great Tyree has progressed in less than one season at WR. Kid seems to get better every game.

I assume ND goes “Ones vs Ones” in practice? If so, these young WR are going against arguably the best CB in the nation. My hope is by the bowl game they’ll have improved at getting off press coverage & winning jump balls.

 

[greyhammer90]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

He's had less than 2 years and inherited one of the worst WR rooms we've ever had. He's had one class come in and two of them are unquestionable hits that have immediately helped us win football games, with his other recruits rumored to be looking very good at this stage in their development. His second class also looks great. I don't understand what you think a good job looks like here.

 

[stlnd01]

Its pretty obvious what they're doing with those two guys. They don't trust the rest of the WR group so they go with Thomas and Greathouse who look good in practice going 80-90%.
Not sure it isn't the best option, but I'd love to see what Faison can do. He is gifted with some genuine elusive talent. That punt return was impressive.

And there's hope that Colzie can get back in there soon.

How many games did Colzie play in before he got hurt? Two? He should probably stay at four games and preserve a year of eligibility. Maybe come back after the bye.

 

[zbikowski88]

Bring back Del

 

[OhioIrish]

He's had less than 2 years and inherited one of the worst WR rooms we've ever had. He's had one class come in and two of them are unquestionable hits that have immediately helped us win football games, with his other recruits rumored to be looking very good at this stage in their development. His second class also looks great. I don't understand what you think a good job looks like here.

2 years is more than enough time to develop talent, he hasn’t really done it. Styles was an absolute hit too as a freshman, then regressed after Stuckey arrived. Flores and Greathouse are talents that were developed at a high level when they arrived, but they have stagnated, imo. Merriwhether is stuck in neutral, as is Thomas. Colzie was a 5 star in some circles and has not blossomed at all. I’m just calling it like I see it. A good job resembles our RB and TE rooms — players growing and contributing as the spend more time in the program. It’s a pretty non-controversial take, tbh.

 

[MacIrish75]

2 years is more than enough time to develop talent, he hasn’t really done it. Styles was an absolute hit too as a freshman, then regressed after Stuckey arrived. Flores and Greathouse are talents that were developed at a high level when they arrived, but they have stagnated, imo. Merriwhether is stuck in neutral, as is Thomas. Colzie was a 5 star in some circles and has not blossomed at all. I’m just calling it like I see it. A good job resembles our RB and TE rooms — players growing and contributing as the spend more time in the program. It’s a pretty non-controversial take, tbh.

@OhioIrish “seeing it”…

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I’ve reached a point that I am willing to start looking around for a new WR coach if I am MF — maybe give Chansi another year if we can’t find a home run hire. It appears as though CS is a very solid recruiter, but NONE of the WRs has developed — even taking injuries into consideration. It’s not just a Del A. problem anymore.

Thomas - stagnate
Merriwhether - stagnate or regressed
Colzie - stagnate or regressed
Styles - regressed all the way to CB and out
Freshman - started strong, then regressed.

If we can upgrade, we should. WR production is what holds this program back, imo. We should see development, similar to the trajectory we see at TE and RB, but it is just not there. Am I crazy?

This is one of the worst takes I've seen, at least this week. (IE is really good at really bad takes)

Chansi has recruited well and developed the guys. I think we need to seriously upgrade S&C after the season. Balis left us in the lurch and whoever is filling in isn't cutting it. Way too many hamstrings in the WR room and that has seriously killed production.

Chansi was given a depleted cupboard and he has us back to being near the scholarship numbers we need. After this next class, we'll have a healthy room again. We'll be fortunate to keep Chansi, I imagine there'll be a number of programs that would like to poach him for his acumen on the trail.

Oh yeah, Tyree converted from WR -> RB and he just keeps getting better.
Flores and Greathouse have run into the "freshman wall" but have still produced more than any freshman since?
Colzie is injured.
Thomas has been injured, not stagnate.
Merriweather has underperformed.

Just couldn't disagree more with everything stated or suggested in your post.

 

[OhioIrish]

This is one of the worst takes I've seen, at least this week. (IE is really good at really bad takes)

Chansi has recruited well and developed the guys. I think we need to seriously upgrade S&C after the season. Balis left us in the lurch and whoever is filling in isn't cutting it. Way too many hamstrings in the WR room and that has seriously killed production.

Chansi was given a depleted cupboard and he has us back to being near the scholarship numbers we need. After this next class, we'll have a healthy room again. We'll be fortunate to keep Chansi, I imagine there'll be a number of programs that would like to poach him for his acumen on the trail.

Oh yeah, Tyree converted from WR -> RB and he just keeps getting better.
Flores and Greathouse have run into the "freshman wall" but have still produced more than any freshman since?
Colzie is injured.
Thomas has been injured, not stagnate.
Merriweather has underperformed.

Just couldn't disagree more with everything stated or suggested in your post.

I see a lot of excuse making here, no accountability. I hope you are right, because we are close and WR is holding us back. The bare cupboard argument is only half-true — Styles, Colzie, and Thomas we all highly rated, none has panned out under Chansi. CS has been ok considering the circumstances, but we can get a better WR coach, of that I am fairly certain.

 

[IrishLax]

I see a lot of excuse making here, no accountability. I hope you are right, because we are close and WR is holding us back. The bare cupboard argument is only half-true — Styles, Colzie, and Thomas we all highly rated, none has panned out under Chansi. CS has been ok considering the circumstances, but we can get a better WR coach, of that I am fairly certain.

What does "accountability" mean? If you gave Brian Hartline or any NFL WR coach this group who is getting more production and how? Almost every single guy he recruited + the converted RB he has coached up has met or exceeded expectations. Including a true freshman lax bro walk-on whose primary position was QB in HS.