Another Shooting

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[ab2cmiller]

Just to clarify above. I used the term "Assault Gun Death Rate". I now see that may confuse people. What I meant to say is .... the gun death rate that were from assault incidents. I didn't mean to imply the rates at which assault rifles were used to kill people. Sorry.

 

[drayer54]

Liberal asshat teacher doing ridiculous parade doesn't mean anything.

It's not the guns...

 

[NorthDakota]

So your practical solution is to put this program into place, keep the guns, and wait 10 or 15 years to see if it works? What if it doesn’t? Fifteen more years of mass shootings that could have been stopped by removing these guns from the equation. I’m all for your plan (although your party would laugh you out of the room for suggesting they fund such a hippy idea) but why not do both things. Take the guns and help the kids with mental health. Why do you think those “checkups” and vaccinations that were also administered to the student body boot camp style in my grade school, went away?

The guns aren't going away. SCOTUS has made that clear. Even under the most legitimate liberal 2nd amendment proposals, So yes, if you want to stop these things, you'll need to pursue alternate routes.

Shit like this is a stunt and unproductive. The intent is to frighten people and in particular, children. I grew up in the post-Columbine world. I was like 5 or 6 when that happened. Minnesota had a rough one when I was in middle or early high school. Virginia tech and the Amish school (I think) happened also in that time frame.

If a teacher had shown us a bucket of stuff in it, we would have laughed at him. It has toilet paper in it for Christ's sake. "Stuff we need to survive"... good Lord.

 

[drayer54]

This isn't a coincidence. Libs foster lawlessness without consequence. What we have now is a product of left-wing ideology in schools and in law-enforcement.

 

[drayer54]

Realistically, what is a path forward toward gun control?

What method do you (anyone who wants to outlaw ARs/guns) recommend for confiscating guns from citizens?

ESG. Use credit cards, banks, shippers, etc to create as many hurdles as possible to deter ownership and bankrupt manufacturers. That’s why they want to lawsuit people out of existence when someone kills with their gun. It’s been rough from the woke businesses.

 

[Greenore]

I dug into the data and it does include "self harm" incidents. Using an averages from 2016 to 2020, Wyoming had the 5th worst gun death rate overall, but almost all of it was from "self harm" incidents. If you exclude the self harm incidents, drops all the way to 34th.

The states with the worst gun death rates from self harm incidents was Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Idaho and New Mexico. The best New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, Hawaii and Rhode Island.

The worst states for gun death rates related to assault incidents was Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri and South Carolina. District of Columbia was the worst of all if you include them. The best Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Vermont and Rhode Island.

California has the toughest gun laws but ranked the 23rd best gun death rate related to assaults. Illinois has the 7th toughest gun laws but has the 9th worst gun death rate related to assaults.

It was kind of surprising that the total death rate for the United States from "self harm" incidents was close to double the assault rate.

*Edited to use better wording related to assaults.

Thanks ab2cmiller. Appreciate your efforts and insight.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[SeekNDestroy]

ESG. Use credit cards, banks, shippers, etc to create as many hurdles as possible to deter ownership and bankrupt manufacturers. That’s why they want to lawsuit people out of existence when someone kills with their gun. It’s been rough from the woke businesses.

I haven’t chimed in on any of this because I don’t have any answers (or think that I have any answers.) I am a gun owner but I don’t really like guns; I just hate the thought of needing one and not having it. That being said, if making it more difficult for people to use guns nefariously means that I can’t own an AR or that I have to jump through more hoops then I’m all for it.

I really just wanted to say that I think you are the worst person on this board and it’s not even close. You are a bad person and I hope you get what you deserve in this life; whatever that may be.

 

[Irish#1]

This isn't a coincidence. Libs foster lawlessness without consequence. What we have now is a product of left-wing ideology in schools and in law-enforcement.

What's the big deal? We already established in the Another Police Shooting thread that it's okay to refuse to cooperate with the police.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Says the guy who constantly berates and attacks other people on this board.

Not true. Feel free to sift through my posts. I’ve retired my asshole persona and turned over a new leaf.

 

[NorthDakota]

You are a bad person and I hope you get what you deserve in this life; whatever that may be.

lol what on earth

 

[Irish#1]

I’ll never understand the new found hate for drag and why it all the rage now. I guess if you throw enough shit at a wall some of it sticks on your cousin fucking dumbass cultists.

This is what people are upset with.

WATCH: Drag queen appears to perform lap dance on student at Pride event with high schoolers | Libs of TikTok

Forsyth Technical Community College hosted a Pride Festival on March 22, that boasted drag shows, contraceptives, and lured students in with free food and drinks. The festival was produced by Forsyth Tech’s Pride Club and was joined by organizations like

www.libsoftiktok.com

 

[PerthDomer]

I dug into the data and it does include "self harm" incidents. Using an averages from 2016 to 2020, Wyoming had the 5th worst gun death rate overall, but almost all of it was from "self harm" incidents. If you exclude the self harm incidents, drops all the way to 34th.

The states with the worst gun death rates from self harm incidents was Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Idaho and New Mexico. The best New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, Hawaii and Rhode Island.

The worst states for gun death rates related to assault incidents was Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri and South Carolina. District of Columbia was the worst of all if you include them. The best Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Vermont and Rhode Island.

California has the toughest gun laws but ranked the 23rd best gun death rate related to assaults. Illinois has the 7th toughest gun laws but has the 9th worst gun death rate related to assaults.

It was kind of surprising that the total death rate for the United States from "self harm" incidents was close to double the assault rate.

*Edited to use better wording related to assaults.

Prevalence of guns, ease of getting them etc. Is a driver (but not the only driver) of gun crime. Most gun crime isn't mass shooting. Even if you banned all guns, mass shootings would happen at a (reduced) rate.

Why don't we focus on things we know work? Rand has looked at different laws and finds some with high quality of evidence that work:

Child access prevention laws

Waiting Periods

Background Checks

Minimum age requirements

Prohibitions associated with domestic violence

Things that increase violent crime:

-Concealed Carry laws

-Stand your ground laws.

Informing the Gun Policy Debate

RAND's Gun Policy in America initiative provides information on what scientific research can tell us about the effects of gun laws. Our goal is to establish a shared set of facts that will improve public discussions and support the development of fair and effective gun policies.

www.rand.org

I'm sure we could create systems to flag people buying a bunch of guns in short order, punish adults whose kids misuse weapons provided by the family, etc. There's a space between Christmas photos with every child packing heat and gun prohibition.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Look, I sifted this through this page:

Do you know what ‘constantly’ means?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Realistically, what is a path forward toward gun control?

What method do you (anyone who wants to outlaw ARs/guns) recommend for confiscating guns from citizens?

Chris Rock talked about Bullet Control 25 years ago. Making bullets cost $5000.

I'm thinking mostly of my three kids and my wife, the high school teacher, but I also consider that stores, churches and virtually anywhere just isn't totally safe anymore for anyone so screw it. Tax the bullets.

 

[NorthDakota]

Chris Rock talked about Bullet Control 25 years ago. Making bullets cost $5000.

I'm thinking mostly of my three kids and my wife, the high school teacher, but I also consider that stores, churches and virtually anywhere just isn't totally safe anymore for anyone so screw it. Tax the bullets.

Cook County tried putting a $.05 tax per cartridge and got slapped down 6-0 by Illinois Supreme Court.

You may want to try again.

Since you support special taxes for people to exercise rights, you won't mind repealing the 24th amendment?

 

[IrishLax]

Chris Rock talked about Bullet Control 25 years ago. Making bullets cost $5000.

I'm thinking mostly of my three kids and my wife, the high school teacher, but I also consider that stores, churches and virtually anywhere just isn't totally safe anymore for anyone so screw it. Tax the bullets.

One of my favorite bits... "If he's got $10k worth of bullets in him, he probably deserved it."

 

[drayer54]

Trans shooters get glorified. Helluva world we live in.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Trans shooters get glorified. Helluva world we live in.

Well, just remember: it's not really her fault she killed 6 people. It's ours for not celebrating and validating her delusions.

 

[Wild Bill]

Prevalence of guns, ease of getting them etc. Is a driver (but not the only driver) of gun crime. Most gun crime isn't mass shooting. Even if you banned all guns, mass shootings would happen at a (reduced) rate.

Why don't we focus on things we know work? Rand has looked at different laws and finds some with high quality of evidence that work:

Child access prevention laws

Waiting Periods

Background Checks

Minimum age requirements

Prohibitions associated with domestic violence

Things that increase violent crime:

-Concealed Carry laws

-Stand your ground laws.

Informing the Gun Policy Debate

RAND's Gun Policy in America initiative provides information on what scientific research can tell us about the effects of gun laws. Our goal is to establish a shared set of facts that will improve public discussions and support the development of fair and effective gun policies.

www.rand.org

I'm sure we could create systems to flag people buying a bunch of guns in short order, punish adults whose kids misuse weapons provided by the family, etc. There's a space between Christmas photos with every child packing heat and gun prohibition.

Permanently lock habitual offenders in cages. You're not rehabilitating a three time loser. Instead we're doing the opposite - we just let them out to commit more crimes. Oh yeah, definitely a great time to hand over my weapons to the government perpetuating this nonsense.

 

[Blazers46]

Exclusive | CBS execs bar the word ‘transgender’ from reports on Nashville shooter: ‘This is not journalism’

The CBS News directive was delivered on a Tuesday morning editorial call by Ingrid Ciprian-Matthews, the executive vice president of newsgathering; and Claudia Milne, the senior vice president of s…

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[Irish#1]

Exclusive | CBS execs bar the word ‘transgender’ from reports on Nashville shooter: ‘This is not journalism’

The CBS News directive was delivered on a Tuesday morning editorial call by Ingrid Ciprian-Matthews, the executive vice president of newsgathering; and Claudia Milne, the senior vice president of s…

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But people who've said "has a problem" with their existence - Bishop, calls it a mental illness which in my opinion is an issue with their existence.

Toronto believes that Bishop thinking it's a mental illness is an issue with their existence. CBS not acknowledging their existence is even worse. This is going to set transgenderism back to the dark ages.

 

[Blazers46]

Toronto believes that Bishop thinking it's a mental illness is an issue with their existence. CBS not acknowledging their existence is even worse. This is going to set transgenderism back to the dark ages.

Well, it is in the DSM-5. Which is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition.

 

[TorontoGold]

Toronto believes that Bishop thinking it's a mental illness is an issue with their existence. CBS not acknowledging their existence is even worse. This is going to set transgenderism back to the dark ages.

Some people wake up and say good morning to their significant other, in your case you seem to always have a message for me. I am honored to see that.

Also - DSM5 Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis

the DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”

Remember when I said you guys are obsessed with other people's genitals? You're certainly not doing yourself any favors lol.

 

[Blazers46]

Some people wake up and say good morning to their significant other, in your case you seem to always have a message for me. I am honored to see that.

Also - DSM5 Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis


Remember when I said you guys are obsessed with other people's genitals? You're certainly not doing yourself any favors lol.

The DSM was changed for the same reason the definition of racism and other words have changed. It was to rid trans people with the stigma of disorder. If you look up the elements that make up the mental illness that is gender dysphoria, it basically describes a transgender person. So while it might not stand alone, it basically does.

Must have two of the following to have a mental illness.

• A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
• A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)

 

[TorontoGold]

The DSM was changed for the same reason the definition of racism and other words have changed. It was to rid trans people with the stigma of disorder. If you look up the elements that make up the mental illness that is gender dysphoria, it basically describes a transgender person. So while it might not stand alone, it basically does.

Must have two of the following to have a mental illness.

So the DSM-5 which you previously cited, is in your opinion wrong? No offense, but I'll take the DSM-5 definition over yours.

 

[Blazers46]

So the DSM-5 which you previously cited, is in your opinion wrong? No offense, but I'll take the DSM-5 definition over yours.

That’s not what I said at all but I know reading comprehension is hard for you. I’m saying they changed gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria to take the stigma of mental disorder off trans people (which they admit is the reason). But that basic elements of gender dysphoria (which is still a mental disorder according to the DSM-5) describe a trans person. So they can write “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder,” but the basic elements that make up the disorder describe a trans person.

 

[NorthDakota]

So the DSM-5 which you previously cited, is in your opinion wrong? No offense, but I'll take the DSM-5 definition over yours.

I think all he's saying is that regardless of what dicta the DSM put in there, basically everyone who claims to be transgender is going to have the requisite symptoms to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

 

[Blazers46]

Exclusive | CBS execs bar the word ‘transgender’ from reports on Nashville shooter: ‘This is not journalism’

The CBS News directive was delivered on a Tuesday morning editorial call by Ingrid Ciprian-Matthews, the executive vice president of newsgathering; and Claudia Milne, the senior vice president of s…

nypost.com

At any rate. Didn’t we just have a convo on the media and their misleading coverage?

 

[GATTACA!]

At any rate. Didn’t we just have a convo on the media and their misleading coverage?

24 hour news cycle has destroyed public discourse.