2022-2023 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

[arrowryan]

Fire up the Michael Dingleberry- Head Coach thread

 

[Irish4life]

Please....

 

[MacIrish75]

Have we ever done a #PrayerThread for basketball?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Fire up the Michael Dingleberry- Head Coach thread

Don't know why that made me laugh.

 

[notredomer23]

Prister and Loy reporting McDermott may be the leader in the clubhouse. Confirmed communication with Shrewsberry as well

 

[Irish4life]

Prister and Loy reporting McDermott may be the leader in the clubhouse. Confirmed communication with Shrewsberry as well

Uh oh

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Uh oh

McDermott would be a solid hire, but I wonder if he's be able to work the transfer portal at ND like he has at Creighton. He also isn't the world's greatest recruiter either. He gets a lot out of the guys he recruits, but Creighton's recruiting class for next year has one commit. Overall ranking is 104 on 247.

 

[Henges24]

I’d take McDermott over Shrewsberry only on the fact that he could turn it around quicker, IMO.

I’d take Shrewsberry in a heartbeat though.

 

[Irish4life]

McDermott would be a solid hire, but I wonder if he's be able to work the transfer portal at ND like he has at Creighton. He also isn't the world's greatest recruiter either. He gets a lot out of the guys he recruits, but Creighton's recruiting class for next year has one commit. Overall ranking is 104 on 247.

McDermott would be an incredible hire, but it's not happening unless ND is throwing around NIL money to recruits and/or starts taking undergrad transfers consistently.

 

[Henges24]

Shrewsberry actually has a son that is committed to Penn State. Would have to image he’d be our 2nd recruit in the class if MS is picked.

 

[NDPhilly]

Would be very happy with either. What McDermott has been able to do at a small Catholic school in Nebraska has been remarkable. If we was to just duplicate his success here he’d like have a Job for life.

 

[bobbyok1]

The Woke police at ND won't let these 2021 comments slide from McDermott without a ruckus.

Greg McDermott suspended by Creighton after racially insensitive comments

Creighton head coach Greg McDermott has been suspended from all team activities for racially insensitive comments he made to his players last week, the school announced Thursday night.

www.espn.com

 

[GowerND11]

The Woke police at ND won't let these 2021 comments slide from McDermott without a ruckus.

Greg McDermott suspended by Creighton after racially insensitive comments

Creighton head coach Greg McDermott has been suspended from all team activities for racially insensitive comments he made to his players last week, the school announced Thursday night.

www.espn.com

His players wanted him to stay. That shows me enough. He apologized, they recognized he wasn't racist, and moved on. You're making it more of a deal than needed right now actually.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I'm (31) years old, and I cannot remember the Men's Basketball program ever being this low in my lifetime.
We're going to finish the season in KenPom at 166th in the nation.
Below programs such as Tarleton St. & Radford
2013-2014 was tough, but we knew we had talent coming back that led us to the consecutive elite eight appearances.
Whomever takes over this program is going to have an entire blank canvas to build it.

It is not hyperbole to state that if this hire goes wrong, we could be walking into 10 + years of irrelevance.
Plenty of recent examples of programs that were once consistent tournament teams that almost seem irrelevant on the national stage now.

My pick would be Micah. He understands how to build a program quickly in this new NIL / transfer portal era...and has roots deep in the Indiana / Midwest basketball landscape.
Best of luck to Jack, this is a big one.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm (31) years old, and I cannot remember the Men's Basketball program ever being this low in my lifetime.
We're going to finish the season in KenPom at 166th in the nation.
Below programs such as Tarleton St. & Radford
2013-2014 was tough, but we knew we had talent coming back that led us to the consecutive elite eight appearances.
Whomever takes over this program is going to have an entire black canvas to build it.

It is not hyperbole to state that if this hire goes wrong, we could be walking into 10 + years of irrelevance.
Plenty of recent examples of programs that were once consistent tournament team that almost seem irrelevant on the national stage now.

My pick would be Micah. He understands how to build a program quickly in this new NIL / transfer portal era...and has roots deep in the Indiana / Midwest basketball landscape.
Best of luck to Jack, this is a big one.

Whatever we all thought of him, Brey held down the job for a very long time. There is something to be said for stability. That being said, it isn't hyperbole to say that this is a major hire because of that alone and I completely agree with you that Micah is the guy for the job in this moment.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Whatever we all thought of him, Brey held down the job for a very long time. There is something to be said for stability. That being said, it isn't hyperbole to say that this is a major hire because of that alone and I completely agree with you that Micah is the guy for the job in this moment.

Yes, 100%.
I have very little grievances with the Brey Era. Great memories, and fun teams who represented the University well! Plenty of four years players who loved playing for the program, and improved immensely during their time in South Bend.

His inability to recruit any true big man since Zach Auguste was the programs eventual downfall to where we find ourselves now in my opinion...but I don't think that was for lack of trying. It's just incredibly hard to find those type of players anymore.

 

[notredomer23]

Is it weird of me to say one of Micah's biggest selling points is his son is the 182nd ranked player in the 2023 class? If that helps turn a 3-4 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild, sign me up.

 

[anarin]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

 

[Irish14]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

So you watched a couple possessions? They are extremely well coached team. They pass the ball extremely well. Of course Pickett is gonna go 1 on 1 cause the dude is stud and he’s really good at it. That’s called coaching to your personnel not “hero ball”.


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[CTIDANDREW]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

For what's it worth.
PSU finished 11th in Assist to turnover ratio in the entire NCAA.
I like that stat when it comes to playing "team" basketball. Just my two cents.
(NCAA College Men's Basketball DI current team Stats | NCAA.com)

 

[Irish14]

For what's it worth.
PSU finished 11th in Assist to turnover ratio in the entire NCAA.
I like that stat when it comes to playing "team" basketball. Just my two cents.
(NCAA College Men's Basketball DI current team Stats | NCAA.com)

And it was extremely evident when you actually watch them


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[Free Manera]

Pickett is their first All American in literally 70 years so he kind of is a hero lol. He is also a big strong guard like Marcus Smart that is able to back down defenders into the paint and dish out to their shooters. PSU is kind of limited as far as "slashing" ability, they don't really have guys that can dive to the paint and go over defenders. So drive and dish is basically their offense, and it worked fine for them.

If nothing else Shrewsbury showed he can create offense from the personnel he has.

 

[SoIll]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

Clueless.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

We should hire the dude from Princeton.

He played for Princeton, I'm curious if he would even leave.

 

[Irish14]

Pickett is their first All American in literally 70 years so he kind of is a hero lol. He is also a big strong guard like Marcus Smart that is able to back down defenders into the paint and dish out to their shooters. PSU is kind of limited as far as "slashing" ability, they don't really have guys that can dive to the paint and go over defenders. So drive and dish is basically their offense, and it worked fine for them.

If nothing else Shrewsbury showed he can create offense from the personnel he has.

There’s a difference between being a hero and “hero ball”


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[Jiggafini19Deux]

Yes, 100%.
I have very little grievances with the Brey Era. Great memories, and fun teams who represented the University well! Plenty of four years players who loved playing for the program, and improved immensely during their time in South Bend.

His inability to recruit any true big man since Zach Auguste was the programs eventual downfall to where we find ourselves now in my opinion...but I don't think that was for lack of trying. It's just incredibly hard to find those type of players anymore.

Admittedly, I dropped off after Digger was gone, which was basically the start of my teen years and the Jordan Bulls Dynasty. ND Hoops passed the time until spring football LOL.

I got more into it once Brey took off. Those back to back Elite Eight appearances were incredibly fun seasons. I didn't really have a great deal of beef with Brey because my expectations were never truly high. Football has always ruled the roost. Those Elite Eight runs certainly gave a glimpse of what is possible, though.

I guess it boils down to big men not really growing on trees. Plus anyone worth his shoe size is going to the NBA within a year or two tops.

 

[sfk324]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

Nobody who follows ND hoops forgets the burn offense. But the burn was specifically designed to shorten the game when Harangody got injured in 09-10, that is, after ND's "hero ball" player was out (coincidentally, like Pickett, 'Gody was a 2nd team All American). They continued to use it the next season and had a really good year before getting smoked at the United Center by FSU in the round of 32 despite ND entering the tournament as #5 in the AP poll and a #2 seed. The shot-clock has since been reduced from 35 to 30 seconds, and over the course of a game, those 5 seconds per possession add up. Slow-paced offenses are not well-suited for success in the current iteration of college basketball.

 

[Henges24]

The only game I watched Penn State play was in the tournament, just so I can see Shrewsbury's system. And I'll say that I wasn't a huge fan of the "hero ball" philosophy on offense. Maybe it was how it played out in the tournament setting, but it wasn't something I think would work at ND, unless he was able to recruit some serious 1 on 1 ball players. I feel like they need to reach out to someone who develops more a of team ball approach, like early in the Brey years. People forget that Brey ran a very slow paced offense at one time and made sure it was a team attack on offense.

Did you see the fullback-sized man with the ball?

 

[Old Man Mike]

If this coach comes, he seems to be a good yet "traditional" Midwest recruiter. His freshman class at PSU was rated well and had two 6'10"s. While he was at Purdue, those classes were almost entirely core Midwest. and not particularly big city. This doesn't necessarily mean anything, just seems to be a fact that he is/has been focused at the BIG heartland plus a little East Coast. I was fantasizing about a European player or two or three at ND.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Admittedly, I dropped off after Digger was gone, which was basically the start of my teen years and the Jordan Bulls Dynasty. ND Hoops passed the time until spring football LOL.

I got more into it once Brey took off. Those back to back Elite Eight appearances were incredibly fun seasons. I didn't really have a great deal of beef with Brey because my expectations were never truly high. Football has always ruled the roost. Those Elite Eight runs certainly gave a glimpse of what is possible, though.

I guess it boils down to big men not really growing on trees. Plus anyone worth his shoe size is going to the NBA within a year or two tops.

I think once he hit those Elite 8 runs, it raised his ceiling and the expectations of the program from new highs. Prior to that, majority of fans seemed content with competing for tournament appearances and being competitive in the Big East, then we joined the ACC and the program was at an all time high under Brey.

Coupled with the fact that he signed an elite recruiting class in 2018 (at least on paper), it goes without saying that people expected a lot more out of this program than we got in the past five years.

Similar to Mark Dantonio at Sparty, I think a guy gets a lot of rope when they ascend a program to unforeseen heights, but at some point you have to hold a guy responsible for burning it down to the ground, even if it was his own creation.