2022-2023 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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I'm all for Holtmann, if for nothing else than being able to tell all my OSU friends OSU is a stepping stone job. If he's willing to take on what he's going to walk into, more power to him.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
LOL at those wanting a proven coach that can get beyond the 2nd round of the tournament with regularity.

Our program is currently a dumpster fire. If there is a coach that wants to jump aboard that up till this year had 7 straight appearances in the big dance, you take that without a second thought.
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One of the constant complaints about Brey from his detractors is that he hasn't had success in the tournament. Holtmann, despite an easier path with less hurdles, has been worse. Piggybacking on the success of Stevens/Miller at Butler and then Motta at OSU for his best results doesn't instill a lot of confidence that he's a good fit at ND. But to each their own.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Holtman's '22 class included 4 top 70 recruits and '23 class includes 3 top 50 recruits. Man will increase the talent level if nothing else.
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The coach isn't the barrier to getting talent on campus. See: Hillman, Brandyn.
 
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sfk324 said:
But so is Holtmann, despite having more resources and less administrative hurdles.
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IIRC, Holtmann has had to deal with with a lot of injuries since going to OSU.

Being in Indy, I've followed Butler and Holtmann caught my attention when he took over. He was recruiting a different player at Butler than at OSU, but those are the same guys (3-4 year players) that ND basically recruits.
 
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notredomer23 said:
I see your point and tend to agree. I think I am happy with Holtmann. I just think one of the others like Shrewsbury have a higher ceiling which I'd prefer given it's going to take time to rebuild.
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Not sure I agree that it's going to take time. All it takes is 1 or 2 players to change the trajectory quickly. Regardless of who is selected, I will be happy to see the coach go more than 6-7 deep with playing time. lol
 
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notredomer23 said:
Shrewsberry, Devries, or Langel (Colgate) per Prister
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notredomer23 said:
Shrewsberry, Devries, or Langel (Colgate) per Prister
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Word is speading it will be one of those three. All are playing this weekend (and probably not beyond). Shrewsberry is the most coveted but Penn St might give him a big contract and keep him. Geprgetown wants him and its unclear if he prefers ND to them. Probably will come down to the interviews. Warm fuzzy feeling there LOL.

Langel is bound for Temple unless ND strikes quickly. Haven't seen much re Devries. Unlike Shrewsberry, those two are at schools that will not be able to compete with ND money wise.
 
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stpeteirish said:
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Word is speading it will be one of those three. All are playing this weekend (and probably not beyond). Shrewsberry is the most coveted but Penn St might give him a big contract and keep him. Geprgetown wants him and its unclear if he prefers ND to them. Probably will come down to the interviews. Warm fuzzy feeling there LOL.

Langel is bound for Temple unless ND strikes quickly. Haven't seen much re Devries. Unlike Shrewsberry, those two are at schools that will not be able to compete with ND money wise.
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Would Georgetown have the money? How much was Ewing making?
 
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Irish#1 said:
Would Georgetown have the money? How much was Ewing making?
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They're trying to lure Cooley away from Providence which will cost 4 mill give or take. If Cooley says no they're pretty much obligated to off option #2 (Shrewsberry) something close.
 
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Whoever ND gets I hope they keep Solomon on staff. He was key when ND made their run in the NCAA tournament, too bad his hands were tied behind his back the past couple of years.
 
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I was arguing about Shrewsbury last night with my Penn State buddy. He said that none of the open jobs (ND, St. John's and Georgetown) are better than Penn State and that Penn State will give him whatever money he wants to stay.
I was arguing that all 3 of them are better and will pay him just as much if not more, so he's an idiot if he stays at Penn State.
 
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thekid33 said:
I was arguing about Shrewsbury last night with my Penn State buddy. He said that none of the open jobs (ND, St. John's and Georgetown) are better than Penn State and that Penn State will give him whatever money he wants to stay.
I was arguing that all 3 of them are better and will pay him just as much if not more, so he's an idiot if he stays at Penn State.
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ND and Georgetown are definitely better jobs. And Penn St is about to be an even worse job than it already is when UCLA and USC join the Big Ten. He would be wise to get out now while his stock is high.


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Irish14 said:
ND and Georgetown are definitely better jobs. And Penn St is about to be an even worse job than it already is when UCLA and USC join the Big Ten. He would be wise to get out now while his stock is high.


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Exactly. He can get paid by Penn State, but he's looking at a ton of first or second round exits (at best). The floor there is occasionally making the tournament and the ceiling is occasionally getting lucky and making the Sweet 16.

The floor and ceiling are higher at all 3 of those other places. I actually think St. John's is a sleeping giant with the talent in the NYC area and NIL. ND might actually be the 3rd best job of those three, tbh.

But, it's far better than Penn St

Coaches want to win and make $. Staying at Penn St only guarantees the money and that goes away if you aren't winning consistently.
 
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notredomer23 said:
At this point hoping for Shrewsbury but expecting Devries. Either way, needs to be done by early week to stop the bleeding
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I saw somewhere that DeVries killed his Wichita St interview yesterday and is expected to be their next coach. I don’t know how reliable to source was I’d have to find it again.


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Irish14 said:
I saw somewhere that DeVries killed his Wichita St interview yesterday and is expected to be their next coach. I don’t know how reliable to source was I’d have to find it again.


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Idk why anyone would want Wichita at this point, either. They decided they were too big for The Valley, and now they’re just some obscure regional university that will occasionally pop up every now and then when discussing Cinderella stories in March.

Wichita State isn’t that much better of a job than Drake is.
 
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Doesn't the AD have any part in this debacle? The look for ND athletics is pretty sad on various fronts.
 
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