Dec 30 | South Carolina | Gator Bowl

[Grahambo]

Freeman doesn't believe anyone else will sit out or transfer before the bowl game.

Merriweather and Bracy practicing and good to go for the bowl game.

Curious if that means Styles stays next season.

 

[ulukinatme]

If he passes, it would probably be cancelled. It might anyway.

Hopefully it's not that serious. AD is running the program short term right now, so I wouldn't expect the bowl to be cancelled.

 

[stlnd01]

Curious if that means Styles stays next season.

Why wouldn't Styles stay next season? He can be WR1 on our team, and after the year he had, he's not going to transfer to someplace better. He just needs to get his head on straight.

 

[ndfi78]

Hopefully it's not that serious. AD is running the program short term right now, so I wouldn't expect the bowl to be cancelled.

Everything I've seen is that it is very serious.

 

[Free Manera]

Everything I've seen is that it is very serious.

Yeah it's dire according to the MSU beat reporters. The pirate "needs a miracle" was the one tweet. Leach has always been one of my favorite CFB personalities. I read his book and it's great. Hoping he pulls through.

 

[Dale]

 

[rtrn2glory]

These exhibition bowls are turning into survival of the fittest in regards to the portal. Going to end up forcing the CFP to expand to 16-32 teams like the rest of college football does their post season.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

These exhibition bowls are turning into survival of the fittest in regards to the portal. Going to end up forcing the CFP to expand to 16-32 teams like the rest of college football does their post season.

Well, it should have been 8. Never once in my 40 years of watching college football have I EVER thought the #9 team at the end of the year should have really been national champion, ffs.

So 12 is just so stupid. But might as well wade all the way into the shit now and make it 16.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I wonder what the story is with Lloyd? Just looking for a payday?

 

[fightingirish26]

Well, it should have been 8. Never once in my 40 years of watching college football have I EVER thought the #9 team at the end of the year should have really been national champion, ffs.

So 12 is just so stupid. But might as well wade all the way into the shit now and make it 16.

You've also never seem the number 9 nine team go on the sort of winning run to close out the season it would take for them to win the CFP now.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

You've also never seem the number 9 nine team go on the sort of winning run to close out the season it would take for them to win the CFP now.

Quite right. It’s unnecessary because the regular season effectively determines things. You go on a run during that, you’re the best. Pretty open and shut. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Grahambo]

Why wouldn't Styles stay next season? He can be WR1 on our team, and after the year he had, he's not going to transfer to someplace better. He just needs to get his head on straight.

Agreed. Thought I saw rumblings.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Damn, I thought we were losing a lot of players but South Carolina is bleeding. Marshawn was their only real threat, at least in terms of numbers from their rushing attack:

Here's SCs top 4 runners:

1	MarShawn Lloyd	SO	RB	9	111	573	5.16	9	12.33	63.67
2	Jaheim Bell	JR	TE	12	73	261	3.58	3	6.08	21.75
3	Juju McDowell	SO	RB	12	56	191	3.41	2	4.67	15.92
4	Christian Beal-Smith	SR	RB	8	36	148	4.11	5	4.50	18.50

And they lost their top TE and 2nd TE and their best defensive back (who is projected as a 1st or 2nd rounder). And they lost a DL, probably one of their top 4 in terms of stats.

I really hope ND can exploit SC in the run game mismatch.

 

[stlnd01]

Agreed. Thought I saw rumblings.

I guess there was a lot smoke this time last year that he didn’t like playing for Del?
And random speculation at times this season that he’d leave b/c Pyne sucked, but that never made a ton of sense to me, assuming we’d have someone better at QB next year.

But who knows. We shall see.

 

[ulukinatme]

Everything I've seen is that it is very serious.

Sadly yes, I just saw an update earlier today.

 

[Wild Bill]

You've also never seem the number 9 nine team go on the sort of winning run to close out the season it would take for them to win the CFP now.

I can't recall any but could be wrong.

 

[Dale]

WR3 and FS

 

[zelezo vlk]

It was hilarious listening to Pete and Matt Fortuna talk on last week’s Shamrock podcast both agreeing that ND was hit harder by injuries opt outs etc than South Carolina. Lol they must have done literally no research


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[DONTH8]

It was hilarious listening to Pete and Matt Fortuna talk on last week’s Shamrock podcast both agreeing that ND was hit harder by injuries opt outs etc than South Carolina. Lol they must have done literally no research


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Losing our Starting QB and best offensive player/team MVP and best defensive player I think gives us the nod that we were hit harder.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It was hilarious listening to Pete and Matt Fortuna talk on last week’s Shamrock podcast both agreeing that ND was hit harder by injuries opt outs etc than South Carolina. Lol they must have done literally no research


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We are losing two first round talents and our best player on both sides of the ball. I guess it could be a quality over quantity argument, but admittedly I didn't listen to it.

 

[Dale]

It was hilarious listening to Pete and Matt Fortuna talk on last week’s Shamrock podcast both agreeing that ND was hit harder by injuries opt outs etc than South Carolina. Lol they must have done literally no research


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Not really close unless you put insane value on losing Pyne.

ND:

- QB Drew Pyne
- TE Michael Mayer
- DE Isaiah Foskey
- CB Cam Hart

South Carolina:

- DT Pickens
- CB Rush
- CB Smith (NFL stud)
- RB/TE Bell
- TE Stogner
- RB Lloyd
- DE Edmond
- FS Reed (TBD injury)
- RB2 Beal-Smith (TBD injury)
- WR3 Vann

 

[rtrn2glory]

One could argue production wise we took the bigger hit, but in terms of numbers not so much.

 

[Dale]

Losses amount to down their top 2 rushers and 3 of their top 5 receivers along with their best defensive player who is an NFL guy and #1 edge rusher with 9 TFLs.

I think there is an odd pessimism with this game, but South Carolina is a okay team that has gotten significantly worse since the bowl was announced. If NDs gets even something from the QB, they should win by double digits. They honestly might be able to safely win running the Clemson no passing offense.

 

[GowerND11]

These exhibition bowls are turning into survival of the fittest in regards to the portal. Going to end up forcing the CFP to expand to 16-32 teams like the rest of college football does their post season.

It's almost like ESPN, advertisers, sponsors, and other higher ups wanted it all along...

 

[stlnd01]

Losses amount to down their top 2 rushers and 3 of their top 5 receivers along with their best defensive player who is an NFL guy and #1 edge rusher with 9 TFLs.

I think there is an odd pessimism with this game, but South Carolina is a okay team that has gotten significantly worse since the bowl was announced. If NDs gets even something from the QB, they should win by double digits. They honestly might be able to win running the Clemson/Cuse no passing offense.

Feels like a lot of the pessimism is b/c they have a QB who just finally started living up to his hype and we have????

Agree we’re as good or better when it comes to the other 21 guys on the field though.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Not really close unless you put insane value on losing Pyne.

ND:

- QB Drew Pyne
- TE Michael Mayer
- DE Isaiah Foskey
- CB Cam Hart

South Carolina:

- DT Pickens
- CB Rush
- CB Smith (NFL stud)
- RB/TE Bell
- TE Stogner
- RB Lloyd
- DE Edmond
- FS Reed (TBD injury)
- RB2 Beal-Smith (TBD injury)
- WR3 Vann

Why is Cam Hart not playing? Injury?

 

[PANDFAN]

Why is Cam Hart not playing? Injury?

surgery for injury i believe

 

[Dale]

Feels like a lot of the pessimism is b/c they have a QB who just finally started living up to his hype and we have????

Agree we’re as good or better when it comes to the other 21 guys on the field though.

Idk I didn’t watch the Clemson game but don’t really take much from the Tennessee game. It should be more likely they score less than 10 pts than Rattler has some big day IMO.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

surgery for injury i believe

Thanks. And for Gods sake can your avatar chick eat that piece of pizza already?

 

[Dale]

Just saw the line is ND -2.5. If you assume the oddsmakers set the original line knowing Mayer and Foskey likely were not playing all along, it was more like ND -4.5 - 5.5 before, so we’re assigning 3 pts to the spread for Pyne. I’m not too sure Pyne is worth 3 pts to the spread….