'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[jprue24]

What are ND transfer restrictions?

There are a few, but the main one that causes issues for undergrads is to be on track to finish your degree program in 4 years. This is a problem when all credits don't transfer in to ND.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

No he didn't and that was a bad look on his end.

I will give him a little bit of slack for that, because Deion to CU was kind of a last minute thing that completely changed his recruitment, given his relationship.

Bowen doesn't have that excuse, given OU has been there the whole time.

This is also assuming he is actually still committed and he didnt already have the conversation with MF but everything is being kept under wraps if he is just truly undecided at this point. So many possibilities in play right now, both good and bad for ND.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Watts is trying with a very true and mature response.

He forgot to say not to let that devils vagina cloud up his head.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ultimately what will make me the most upset is that he has waited this long to go somewhere else ( if he does). That sucks. He should have at least decommitted and opened his recruitment up. Now if he bails we are gonna have a hard time pulling in a decent safety so late in the game.

 

[M40]

Ultimately what will make me the most upset is that he has waited this long to go somewhere else ( if he does). That sucks. He should have at least decommitted and opened his recruitment up. Now if he bails we are gonna have a hard time pulling in a decent safety so late in the game.

He hasn’t been a solid recruit for multiple months. When any commit is visiting other schools over and over then they are not solid

 

[indianamouse]

Ultimately what will make me the most upset is that he has waited this long to go somewhere else ( if he does). That sucks. He should have at least decommitted and opened his recruitment up. Now if he bails we are gonna have a hard time pulling in a decent safety so late in the game.

There are other decent safeties in the class already

 

[Crazy Balki]

Ultimately what will make me the most upset is that he has waited this long to go somewhere else ( if he does). That sucks. He should have at least decommitted and opened his recruitment up. Now if he bails we are gonna have a hard time pulling in a decent safety so late in the game.

ND already has 2, possibly 3 better than decent safeties committed already in Minich, Shuler and possibly Hillman.

What would piss me off is that Bowen could've just told Freeman to his face that he was not coming and I'd at least respect him for it. If he pulls this last second nonsense, that's a spineless move.

 

[CanadalovesND]

There are a few, but the main one that causes issues for undergrads is to be on track to finish your degree program in 4 years. This is a problem when all credits don't transfer in to ND.

To add, several ND Colleges don’t accept transfers into them past either first or second semesters of sophomore year.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I get the feeling that until Charlie Baker gets all the horses back into the barn, five star recruits are going to use verbal commitments to ND or supposed silent commitments to ND to build up their brand and get the factories to start bidding for them. Dante, Keeley and Bowen have written the playbook for everyone else to follow.

 

[stlnd01]

I get the feeling that until Charlie Baker gets all the horses back into the barn, five star recruits are going to use verbal commitments to ND or supposed silent commitments to ND to build up their brand and get the factories to start bidding for them. Dante, Keeley and Bowen have written the playbook for everyone else to follow.

I guess, but those guys are all Top 20 players. Frankly they don't need an ND offer to launch a bidding war.

I think all three very much liked what we had to offer, which is why things got as far as they did. But when it came down to brass tacks, we were missing one crucial ingredient that other schools - that also have a lot to offer - could bring to the table. ND making piece with NIL is an easier fix than Baker getting the horses back in the barn, if we want to compete for Top 20 players.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

I get the feeling that until Charlie Baker gets all the horses back into the barn, five star recruits are going to use verbal commitments to ND or supposed silent commitments to ND to build up their brand and get the factories to start bidding for them. Dante, Keeley and Bowen have written the playbook for everyone else to follow.

100 percent this.

 

[Dale]

If Bowen was running a value increase playbook, why is he going to Oklahoma? He’d have gone to Oregon or A&M.

Think our brains are a bit too scrambled by NIL. We lost to the only vice older than money, women.

Limar was more NIL than Bowen, and he’s a fringe four star.

 

[Blazers46]

Maybe time to get rid of the verbal stuff. Outlaw the BS hat pick 6-12 months before signing day and make it so you can sign with a team as soon as your senior year starts. That way a verbal means nothing, it’s nothing or the ink.

 

[Dale]

Maybe time to get rid of the verbal stuff. Outlaw the BS hat pick 6-12 months before signing day and make it so you can sign with a team as soon as your senior year starts. That way a verbal means nothing, it’s nothing or the ink.

You can’t outlaw something that to your point, isn’t actually bound or backed by anything. Outlaw tweeting an edited graphic? What’s the punishment?

 

[M40]

If Bowen was running a value increase playbook, why is he going to Oklahoma? He’d have gone to Oregon or A&M.

Think our brains are a bit too scrambled by NIL. We lost to the only vice older than money, women.

Limar was more NIL than Bowen, and he’s a fringe four star.

If Bowen picks OU it’s from a combination of
Close proximity, Girlfriend, NIL, proven Defensive staff, soon to be roommate Jackson Arnold

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If Bowen picks OU it’s from a combination of
Close proximity, Girlfriend, NIL, proven Defensive staff, soon to be roommate Jackson Arnold

OU’s what now? 🤣

 

[IrishLax]

If Bowen was running a value increase playbook, why is he going to Oklahoma? He’d have gone to Oregon or A&M.

Think our brains are a bit too scrambled by NIL. We lost to the only vice older than money, women.

Limar was more NIL than Bowen, and he’s a fringe four star.

Even looking at pro athletes, there are plenty who turn down *millions* more money for better fit. The "why not" on A&M is obvious, and similarly is Oregon a "fit"? Probably not. The value increase playbook would be to extract maximum value from Oklahoma if he wants to go there by getting competitive offers from other places to drive up the compensation. The market is always set by the first loser, not the winner. No different really than negotiating a real estate transaction or salary for a typical office job.

 

[Free Manera]

I get the feeling that until Charlie Baker gets all the horses back into the barn, five star recruits are going to use verbal commitments to ND or supposed silent commitments to ND to build up their brand and get the factories to start bidding for them. Dante, Keeley and Bowen have written the playbook for everyone else to follow.

The horses aren’t going back to the barn. The rancher burned the barn to cinder and took the insurance money and bought a shit ton of crypto.

 

[Dale]

Even looking at pro athletes, there are plenty who turn down *millions* more money for better fit. The "why not" on A&M is obvious, and similarly is Oregon a "fit"? Probably not. The value increase playbook would be to extract maximum value from Oklahoma if he wants to go there by getting competitive offers from other places to drive up the compensation. The market is always set by the first loser, not the winner. No different really than negotiating a real estate transaction or salary for a typical office job.

That’s fair in general, and I think summarizes Keeley’s commitment to Alabama well. I just haven’t seen anything to think Bowen is anything besides what it’s always been from Day 1. Do I think OU prepared a NIL package? Sure. So did we I’m sure, we just know that isn’t up front money. Do I think it was the reason he’s not going to ND or without it wouldn’t be going to OU? No. If the market is set by the first loser, why is the first loser someone with zero pay for play NIL? We’re the worst team to use as leverage.

Limar on the other hand, and other prospects out there, it seems to be a top 1 - 2 reason they’ll have chosen their school.

 

[M40]

OU’s what now? 🤣

BV, Todd Bates, Miguel Chavis all from Clemson and Jay Valai (Bama) have proven track records. Completely different defensive scheme was installed and this is their first recruiting cycle considering BV came on board about a week prior to signing day last year

 

[Whiskeyjack]

BV, Todd Bates, Miguel Chavis all from Clemson and Jay Valai (Bama) have proven track records. Completely different defensive scheme was installed and this is their first recruiting cycle considering BV came on board about a week prior to signing day last year

Venables isn’t your DC. He’s the HC now, which requires a completely different skill set. And in the “defense optional” Big-12, I’m not sure one can call any defensive staff proven.

 

[tecateparty]

I was ready for him to de-commit on Friday. Wild we are still here this Sunday evening.

 

[Grahambo]

BV, Todd Bates, Miguel Chavis all from Clemson and Jay Valai (Bama) have proven track records. Completely different defensive scheme was installed and this is their first recruiting cycle considering BV came on board about a week prior to signing day last year

They gave up over 40+ points 5 times this season.

 

[M40]

Venables isn’t your DC. He’s the HC now, which requires a completely different skill set. And in the “defense optional” Big-12, I’m not sure one can call any defensive staff proven.

Like it or not, the staff carries weight with defensive players. At the end of the day college football has tier one (Georgia, Bama, and Ohio St). ND and OU are in tier two right now with multiple others. Defining OU on a single 6-6 season would be as equally dumb as defining ND on losing to Marshall and a 3-9 standford in the same season

 

[Dale]

Like it or not, the staff carries weight with defensive players. At the end of the day college football has tier one (Georgia, Bama, and Ohio St). ND and OU are in tier two right now with multiple others. Defining OU on a single 6-6 season would be as equally dumb as defining ND on losing to Marshall and a 3-9 standford in the same season

I agree with this if it wasn’t for OU joining the SEC. If it was the status quo where Oklahoma likely rebounds to be a perennial Big 12 favorite, that’d be one thing. Bowen will likely be on a SEC OU for 2 years. Those teams have a chance to drop OU out of that tier two for years to come.

Legitimate chance the 6 win team he is joining is just that most of his career.

 

[Blazers46]

You can’t outlaw something that to your point, isn’t actually bound or backed by anything. Outlaw tweeting an edited graphic? What’s the punishment?

Outlaw may have been exaggerating but if you made signing day much much earlier the verbal would mean nothing. You missed the point. So a recruit makes a graphics, nobody cares if you can sign.

 

[Blazers46]

I was ready for him to de-commit on Friday. Wild we are still here this Sunday evening.

Probably won’t know until Wednesday. But even then he doesn’t technically have to do anything until Feb 2.

 

[GATTACA!]

Probably won’t know until Wednesday. But even then he doesn’t technically have to do anything until Feb 2.

 

[M40]

I agree with this if it wasn’t for OU joining the SEC. If it was the status quo where Oklahoma likely rebounds to be a perennial Big 12 favorite, that’d be one thing. Bowen will likely be on a SEC OU for 2 years. Those teams have a chance to drop OU out of that tier two for years to come.

Legitimate chance the 6 win team he is joining is just that most of his career.

Probably won’t know until Wednesday. But even then he doesn’t technically have to do anything until Feb 2.

He’s an early enrollment player so I’d be shocked he he doesn’t sign somewhere Wednesday

 

[Blazers46]

He’s an early enrollment player so I’d be shocked he he doesn’t sign somewhere Wednesday

For sure, but it would make a great thread. Lol