'23 AL QB Chris Vizzina (Clemson Verbal)

[Whiskeyjack]

Fuck that, I was promised minions!

"Wait, you guys got minions when we bought the site?"

 

[irishff1014]

On Vizzina, something to consider, we offered Vizzina is October of 2021. There were two months from then to Freeman getting the job. Then, there were two months from when Freeman took over, called Vizzina to tell him he was our guy and Vizzina's end of December visit to that February Loy update. No chance ND doesn’t have the lead if we pressed like we should’ve from the moment of the offer or even the moment Freeman made that call. But we didn’t. Even Loy commented back then, on how Vizzina couldn’t commit without Dante getting a call. Recruits feel that and it gets back to them. The narrative was put out there that Dante was the #1 guy, from the very beginning, on purpose. They tried to skirt around it but it ultimately mattered. Just like it mattered last cycle with how everything was handled.

The end result is all that matters. Whether you can’t land the QB because you don’t have enough swag or you don’t land them because you don’t grind enough or you chose the wrong horse and that horse ended up being a dishonest bunch, is really irrelevant. What matters is who ya got. So far, we got nobody. I'd call that a miss.

As a whole, Rees has been QB coach since 2017. His QB recruiting has been a mixed bag. You give him credit for Buch and soon to be CJ but there is no way you can look at it and call it a success. Rees could not recruit a replacement for Ian so he had to get a GT in Coan. Coan isn't even a drafted NFL QB. The fact that after so long, Rees did not have his own QB to take over for Book is the problem. The fact that he's literally never recruited a QB that's in the NFL is a problem.

In fact, fun yet crazy fact. Since Rees came back in 2017, he has never recruited a QB, out of HS, that has started, finished, and won a game in a ND uniform. That's insanity. Buch in 2022, Rees 6th season back, will be his first chance.

This notion that when he gets called up by the Rams will be some sort of validation is misleading, IMO. It will be validation for his offensive mind and prowess, not his recruiting wins. The dude can call some good offense. The Rams won't be hiring him for the spotty recruiting. It will because he's smart offensive guy that will call plays.

Lucky dropping some bombs!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This notion that when he gets called up by the Rams will be some sort of validation is misleading, IMO. It will be validation for his offensive mind and prowess, not his recruiting wins. The dude can call some good offense. The Rams won't be hiring him for the spotty recruiting. It will because he's smart offensive guy that will call plays.

I'm not sure how much blame to lay on him for QB recruiting under Kelly. There were clearly systematic problems there that came from the top.

It's fair to say he hasn't proven much as a recruiter yet, though we'll have to see who he gets for '23 and '24 before a final verdict on this recruiting can be passed.

But to call him a bad OC is crazy. He wouldn't be getting interest from the team that just won to Super Bowl if that was the case.

 

[Dale]

I'm not sure how much blame to lay on him for QB recruiting under Kelly.

Going by commentary by Moore, Sayin and Carr, they may have ND near the top because of Rees, but Freeman’s part and specifically trusting Freeman is a huge part of the potential commitment. Every school out their that knows hey CJ loves Rees is gonna neg that Rees (or any OC) is leaving. HC provides stability.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

"Wait, you guys got minions when we bought the site?"

We can discuss this at our owners meeting in Destin in a few weeks. No sense in clogging up a recruits thread with this. Lol

 

[irishnd31]

We can discuss this at our owners meeting in Destin in a few weeks. No sense in clogging up a recruits thread with this. Lol

Can minions attend as well? I’ll be your +1

 

[condoms SUCk]

Sooo, we gonna try and get Vizz or what?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Sooo, we gonna try and get Vizz or what?

Nah, onward to the Manning kid. We're feeling froggy.

 

[NorthDakota]

We can discuss this at our owners meeting in Destin in a few weeks. No sense in clogging up a recruits thread with this. Lol

I'll see you there. I know the best spots.

 

[NDohio]

We can discuss this at our owners meeting in Destin in a few weeks. No sense in clogging up a recruits thread with this. Lol

Damn, that's where my V-Bucks went...

 

[IRISHMAN]

could ND get chris vizzina to reconsider coming to ND? he could compete for the starting job his sophomore year but if he goes to clemson he probably have to sit behind Cade Klubnik for two or three years before getting the starting job.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

could ND get chris vizzina to reconsider coming to ND? he could compete for the starting job his sophomore year but if he goes to clemson he probably have to sit behind Cade Klubnik for two or three years before getting the starting job.

All of the good programs have multiple kids standing in line to commit and willingly sit behind several others for years. ND can't even get a kid that wants to come in and start early. It's truly one of the world's greatest mysteries.

 

[NDIrish1988]

I'm not sure how much blame to lay on him for QB recruiting under Kelly. There were clearly systematic problems there that came from the top.

It's fair to say he hasn't proven much as a recruiter yet, though we'll have to see who he gets for '23 and '24 before a final verdict on this recruiting can be passed.

But to call him a bad OC is crazy. He wouldn't be getting interest from the team that just won to Super Bowl if that was the case.

He ruined every highly rated QB he worked with.

 

[NDIrish1988]

All of the good programs have multiple kids standing in line to commit and willingly sit behind several others for years. ND can't even get a kid that wants to come in and start early. It's truly one of the world's greatest mysteries.

Carr enrolling early would not be good for anyone. He needs another year of HS

 

[Sea Turtle]

All of the good programs have multiple kids standing in line to commit and willingly sit behind several others for years. ND can't even get a kid that wants to come in and start early. It's truly one of the world's greatest mysteries.

Look at our offense and qb play since Quinn. Nobody who is worth their salt wants to be a part of that.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

could ND get chris vizzina to reconsider coming to ND? he could compete for the starting job his sophomore year but if he goes to clemson he probably have to sit behind Cade Klubnik for two or three years before getting the starting job.

No. He knows he’ll likely sit a few years & then start for one or two and go pro (assuming he’s as good as advertised) w/ minimal mileage on his body.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

Look at our offense and qb play since Quinn. Nobody who is worth their salt wants to be a part of that.

A great new OC hire could change that instantly.

 

[NDRock]

Look at our offense and qb play since Quinn. Nobody who is worth their salt wants to be a part of that.

No idea if we will be shopping for a new OC but overall the job would be very enticing.

• Defensive minded HC who will at least get another 2 years at a minimum.
• Plenty of talent on the roster.
• If Rees' salary is accurate then the pay will be very good.
• Following the 80th ranked offense. Nowhere to go but up.

 

[FWIrish4]

Look at our offense and qb play since Quinn. Nobody who is worth their salt wants to be a part of that.

While I agree, we should have better QB play more frequently, this is just a tad bit exaggerating.

Jimmy Clausen completed 68% of his passes for 3,700 yard and 28 touchdowns with 4 interceptions in 2009. I mean that’s pretty elite play.

DeShone Kizer threw for a hair under 3,000 yards both years he started. We can definitely discuss his regression in Year 2, but that was definitely partly his doing and the poor team around him.

Our beloved Ian Book was a very, very good college QB. Not elite that could win us a title, but definitely nowhere near average QB play. 3,000 yards with 34 TDs and 6 picks along with 550 yards rushing and 4 more TDs in 2019.

Also, discussion back to Vizzina. Prister on the Irish Illustrated pod this week made a comment that he heard Vizzina is more inclined to sit 2 years at Clemson than play more at ND. Which is not great to hear that is a top QB recruit’s sentiment at the moment. It’s also funny to me that Clemson is viewed as this QB factory when DJU has regressed terribly the last 2 years.

 

[Blazers46]

While I agree, we should have better QB play more frequently, this is just a tad bit exaggerating.

Jimmy Clausen completed 68% of his passes for 3,700 yard and 28 touchdowns with 4 interceptions in 2009. I mean that’s pretty elite play.

DeShone Kizer threw for a hair under 3,000 yards both years he started. We can definitely discuss his regression in Year 2, but that was definitely partly his doing and the poor team around him.

Our beloved Ian Book was a very, very good college QB. Not elite that could win us a title, but definitely nowhere near average QB play. 3,000 yards with 34 TDs and 6 picks along with 550 yards rushing and 4 more TDs in 2019.

Also, discussion back to Vizzina. Prister on the Irish Illustrated pod this week made a comment that he heard Vizzina is more inclined to sit 2 years at Clemson than play more at ND. Which is not great to hear that is a top QB recruit’s sentiment at the moment. It’s also funny to me that Clemson is viewed as this QB factory when DJU has regressed terribly the last 2 years.

Clausen - 2007 to 2009
Kizer - 2015 to 2016
Book - 2018 to 2020

Too many gaps the other programs don't have. At other programs, if a QB is not working they go to the next 5-star guy. Joe Burrow transferred because he was in a QB room with Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones, and JT Barrett.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Clausen - 2007 to 2009
Kizer - 2015 to 2016
Book - 2018 to 2020

Too many gaps the other programs don't have. At other programs, if a QB is not working they go to the next 5-star guy. Joe Burrow transferred because he was in a QB room with Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones, and JT Barrett.

Yes. We need to start operating like the big boys if we ever want to be one.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Also, discussion back to Vizzina. Prister on the Irish Illustrated pod this week made a comment that he heard Vizzina is more inclined to sit 2 years at Clemson than play more at ND. Which is not great to hear that is a top QB recruit’s sentiment at the moment. It’s also funny to me that Clemson is viewed as this QB factory when DJU has regressed terribly the last 2 years.

This is embarrassing.

 

[T-Boone]

Printer shouldn’t have reported that

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Printer shouldn’t have reported that

Why?

 

[Crazy Balki]

He ruined every highly rated QB he worked with.

Such as?

Dude's never had an opportunity to use a highly rated QB. Jurkovec was driven off by Kelly and Long and Buchner got hurt 2 games into his career.

So far, he's only had a year of Book, a year of Coan and a few games with Pyne.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Such as?

Dude's never had an opportunity to use a highly rated QB. Jurkovec was driven off by Kelly and Long and Buchner got hurt 2 games into his career.

So far, he's only had a year of Book, a year of Coan and a few games with Pyne.

Well maybe he would have if he had stocked the QB room, a room he has been responsible for during that whole time period? We fail to remember this lil nugget.

 

[NDFAN2008]

At the end of the day ND coaches ruined their chance with VIZZINA who wants to be someones plan B?

 

[NDIrish1988]

Such as?

Dude's never had an opportunity to use a highly rated QB. Jurkovec was driven off by Kelly and Long and Buchner got hurt 2 games into his career.

So far, he's only had a year of Book, a year of Coan and a few games with Pyne.

Wimbush, Jurkovec, Buchner

 

[Wild Bill]

At the end of the day ND coaches ruined their chance with VIZZINA who wants to be someones plan B?

My ex didn't mind

 

[Free Manera]

Printer shouldn’t have reported that

Prister, O'Malley, and Sampson have all grown increasingly critical of Rees over the past year. He's not the only one they are critical of, but they are really calling a spade a spade with him. I feel like QB recruiting or lack thereof comes up every podcast.