'24 CA QB Julian Sayin (Alabama Verbal)

[Irishdrunk]

We should have two high level QBs in 2023 and 2024. Both Carr and Sayin were high on ND. Now we have Carr and Sayin says he hasn't heard from ND.

Rees is showing is green experience here. Perhaps if Dante wasn't committing recently he should have gone after Vizzina if he knew he had Carr or Sayin in 2024. Instead, we have Carr and his family clearling the decks for CJ. Whether he reclasses to 2023 or not doesn't matter. The other QB will be an Angeli type. (Top 200 player). I am not enamored like many with Rees.

 

[MacIrish75]

We should have two high level QBs in 2023 and 2024. Both Carr and Sayin were high on ND. Now we have Carr and Sayin says he hasn't heard from ND.

Rees is showing is green experience here. Perhaps if Dante wasn't committing recently he should have gone after Vizzina if he knew he had Carr or Sayin in 2024. Instead, we have Carr and his family clearling the decks for CJ. Whether he reclasses to 2023 or not doesn't matter. The other QB will be an Angeli type. (Top 200 player). I am not enamored like many with Rees.

 

[Dale]

The Georgia site said Sayin has hired an agency and expect his timeline to very much slow down now

Interesting the Sayin talk just completed halted and

Interesting the Sayin talk just completed halted and

247sports.com

 

[Poirette]

I think this is by far the biggest threat. They really like him. Based on the past 20 years of five star quarterback recruiting, Georgia has probably done the best at analyzing. Matthew Stafford to name one. Fromm was ok. Of course they have had misses, but Matthew Stafford is the best five-star quarterback in the past 20 years in my opinion. One could argue Cam Newton but I disagree, Stafford is a badass.

Sure Stafford was amazing. Far better than Trevor Lawrence that hack from Clemson.

 

[Irishdrunk]

An Agency? OMG. So the next step is the lawyers are going to be involved.

"Send in the clowns..."

 

[NDMD]

The Georgia site said Sayin has hired an agency and expect his timeline to very much slow down now

Interesting the Sayin talk just completed halted and

Interesting the Sayin talk just completed halted and

247sports.com

Since CA athletes can be paid prior to enrolling, it seems wise to avoid top CA QBs unless there is some settlement re: the legality of Pay to Play

 

[Dale]

Since CA athletes can be paid prior to enrolling, it seems wise to avoid top CA QBs unless there is some settlement re: the legality of Pay to Play

Thought the same thing, as long as Cali is an outlier in NIL it’ll be fascinating to see how schools handle that. The most talent rich QB state will be the most difficult recruitment from the jump.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I'm becoming more thankful for CJ Carr every day.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Thought the same thing, as long as Cali is an outlier in NIL it’ll be fascinating to see how schools handle that. The most talent rich QB state will be the most difficult recruitment from the jump.

The bust rate on Cali QBs is so high that recruiting them was arguably not worth it before NIL. Now that you'll have to deal with a 3-ring circus of "entertainment" lawyers and sleazy agents constantly looking to pimp their athlete out to the highest bidder? No thanks.

 

[Dale]

The bust rate on Cali QBs is so high that recruiting them was arguably not worth it before NIL. Now that you'll have to deal with a 3-ring circus of "entertainment" lawyers and sleazy agents constantly looking to pimp their athlete out to the highest bidder? No thanks.

I don’t think that’s been the case recently.

 

[Luckylucci]

As an early member of the Sayin fan club I am beyond elated that we didn’t end up deep in this recruitment. Too bad, I was really pulling for the kid.

 

[jprue24]

IMHO, any high rated Cali QB that doesn't fully explore NIL is doing himself a disservice.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don’t think that’s been the case recently.

Would be a good research projects. Over the last ten years: (1) how highly rated have the top Cali QBs been; and (2) where did they up getting drafted?

 

[jprue24]

Would be a good research projects. Over the last ten years: (1) how highly rated have the top Cali QBs been; and (2) where did they up getting drafted?

2009-2018 on 247

2009 - Matt Barkley - 1 Overall, #98 dft pk
2013 - Jared Goff - 15 Pro, #1 dft pk
2015 - Josh Rosen - 1 Pro, #10 dft pk
2015 - Sam Darnold - 5 Dual, #3 dft pk
2016 - Ian Book - 1 Dual, #1 dft pk (4 NCs, statue in SB)
2018 - Matt Corral - 4 Pro, #94 dft pk

Plenty of high rated (top 100 overall) flops

Max Browne, Max Wittek, Zach Kline, Keller Chryst, Blake Barnett, Brady White, Jake Browning, Ricky Town, KJ Costello, Malik Henry, JT Daniels, Tanner McKee.

 

[stlnd01]

Kinda wild that Ian Book was 247's the 58th ranked player in California in the Class of 2016. Behind such immortal Pac-12 quarterbacks as Patrick O'Brien, Devon Modster and Max Gillam.

Anyway, I too like Minchey and am skeptical we pull Novosad out of Texas in the end. I assume Minchey's recruitment has been quiet in part because of his standing commitment to Pitt and our "no OVs if you're committed" policy applying in the inverse. But maybe it's too quiet.

 

[irishff1014]

Exit stage right.

 

[Dale]

QBs Top 150 Composite

2012
- Gunner Kiel, Jameis Winston, Cyler Miles, Anthony Alford, Tanner Mangum, Matt Davis

- Zach Kline

2013
- Christian Hackenburg, Max Browne, Brice Ramsey, Shane Morris, Cooper Bateman, Cody Thomas, Kevin Olsen, Asiantii Woulard, JT Barrett

- Hayden Retting, Troy Williams

2014
- Sean White, Jacob Park, Drew Barker, David Cornwell, Brandon Harris, Jerrod Heard, Will Grier, Deshaun Watson, Kyle Allen

- Brad Kaaya, Keller Chryst

2015
- Drew Lock, Deondre Francois, Brandon Wimbush, Jarrett Stidham, Kyler Murray

- Sam Darnold, Travis Johnson, Ricky Town, Jake Browning, Brady White, Blake Barnett, Josh Rosen

2016
- Dwayne Haskins, Jarrett Guarantano, Brandon Peters, Feleipe Franks, Jacob Eason, Shea Patterson

- Malik Henry, KJ Costello

2017
- Dylan McCaffrey, Sam Ehlinger, Kellen Mond, Tate Martell, Jake Fromm, Hunter Johnson, Tua Tagovailoa, Davis Mills

- CJ Sears

2018
- Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Justin Rogers, Tyler Shough, Jacob Simon, Colson Yankoff, Emory Jones, Phil Jurkovec, Jaren Williams

- JT Daniels, Tanner McKee, Matt Corral, Adrian Martinez

2019
- Sam Howell, Graham Mertz, Bo Nix, Spencer Rattler

- Ryan Hilinski, Jayden Daniels

2020
- Haynes King, Harrison Bailey, Luke Doty, Hudson Card, Ja’Quinden Jackson

- Jay Butterfield, Ethan Garbers, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, DJ Uiagalelei


That is the somewhat raw data from 2012 to this years draft eligible class. The definition of bust will get debated but I bolded the guys drafted in the Top 3 rounds knowing that’s what the services would for sure count as a “win”. CJ and Bryce is the recency bias but would make a noticeable dent in there. With those 2 both non-Cali and Cali are around 20%.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Lots of names on there that wound up not having the ability to hit a bull in the ass with a banjo.

 

[jprue24]

Clear data on why QBs hunting for big NIL deals is going to be a logical reality going forward.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Clear data on why QBs hunting for big NIL deals is going to be a logical reality going forward.

Also on why life isn't over with the third or fourth QB prospect on your list

 

[du Lac]

So much money is going to be wasted on complete busts it’s unreal. Dante, Nico, Nelson, Arch. I bet 1 of them or none are first round picks based on the hardcore facts. The bust potential is higher coming out of high school than coming out of college.

This is why depth is always more important than a blue chip kid. You don’t miss a QB class by foolish all in policy. It’s dumb on all accounts.The can’t afford to miss mantra is bc if you miss, your chances of having someone emerge drop off substantially. As much as I love CJ, assuming he’ll be great so we can afford to miss, is ignoring the historical facts surrounding 5 star QBs. We just have to hope someone pans out through depth, teaching, and competition. 5 star QB busts are not unique to ND.

 

[NDBoiler]

So much money is going to be wasted on complete busts it’s unreal. Dante, Nico, Nelson, Arch. I bet 1 of them or none are first round picks based on the hardcore facts. The bust potential is higher coming out of high school than coming out of college.

This is why depth is always more important than a blue chip kid. You don’t miss a QB class by foolish all in policy. It’s dumb on all accounts.The can’t afford to miss mantra is bc if you miss, your chances of having someone emerge drop off substantially. As much as I love CJ, assuming he’ll be great is ignoring the historical facts.

This is my thought at well, hoping after a few big busts the ones funding these large deals realize the risk to their money and will be less apt to do it and will bring some sense of sanity.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I feel like there has to be some add ons to alleivaite this. Like a base salary and then extra if you start X amount of games, have a certain TD/INT ratio, award finalist, etc.

 

[Dale]

The issue is they rank multiple QBs high every year no matter what, based off the assumption the NFL takes multiple QBs every year early no matter what. Every talking head will tell you the 2019 and 2022 QB classes both stunk compared to 2020 and 2023 but kids still get the high ranking. If the NFL bucks the trend more often like the 2022 NFL Draft you might see less QBs getting inflated as a trickle down.

 

[SoIll]

Tons of rumors and CBs flying for LSU. I miss Brian....

 

[Dale]

I see no CBs for LSU, just Fongs to Georgia and 1 On3 prediction for LSU.

He seemed a lock for UGA but the agent think spooked things and now UGA is focusing on him as well as Jadyn Davis more than before.

 

[NDMatt91]

Tons of rumors and CBs flying for LSU. I miss Brian....

The fact that all of Rees' eggs appear to be in CJ reclassifying and that there's no talk of him turning up the heat on other top-tier 2024 QB's, let alone any visits being set up is not surprising, unfortunately.

Gotta rip the band aid (Rees) off so he can't f*ck up QB recruiting in the 2025 class and is complacent with CJ being "the guy"

 

[notredomer23]

meh, I don't trust Chad Simmons but Sayin going to LSU would mean Georgia would go all in on Jadyn Davis who Michigan is banking on to be their savior.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Tons of rumors and CBs flying for LSU. I miss Brian....

Yea I miss Kelly too. We are definitely experiencing growing pains with Freeman overseeing Rees.

Sayin used to be really high on ND FWIW. But that was before CJ Carr commiting.

 

[Luckylucci]

The fact that all of Rees' eggs appear to be in CJ reclassifying and that there's no talk of him turning up the heat on other top-tier 2024 QB's, let alone any visits being set up is not surprising, unfortunately.

Gotta rip the band aid (Rees) off so he can't f*ck up QB recruiting in the 2025 class and is complacent with CJ being "the guy"

While I think CJ has the best chance to be “the guy” than any QB we’ve recruited recently. I do think we need to stop making room for “the guy”. We need to just assume we don’t have one, until one emerges. Something I’ve been saying for a while now is we need to drastically increase the competition for the QB position. Take two in a class (two legitimate QB’s). Get some transfers. Whatever it takes. The expectation needs to be set that the QB at ND is one of the top 3-5 best positions in college football. We’re not even close to that right now.