Notre Dame to the B1G Conference?

[GATTACA!]

Do you like the idea of playing for nattys?? Because a schedule of USC, tOSU, Michigan, MSU, Clemson, Bama, Penn State, and whatever other ‘sexy game’ you want to throw in there is exactly how this program goes back to the Davie era of 6-6 seasons over and over… no program can do that,… give me 5-6 complete cupcakes a year and schedule them very strategically. That’s how you have to do it today

Tbf you had UMass winning by 28+ so does it really matter who we play?

 

[ACamp1900]

Tbf you had UMass winning by 28+ so does it really matter who we play?

Pft,… I had UMass by a lot more than that

 

[B1G20]

Top two teams via winning percentage. In case of tie, default to H2H and then winning percentage against mutual opponents. It's not perfect, but it's an improvement over right now because A) strength of schedule variance is about as good, if not better and B) you get rid of the "best two teams in one division" problem.

It becomes a beauty pageant then and regular season games don't matter as much under this system, you will already be deciding the national champion this way - lets settle the conference championship on the field?

I'd rather sacrifice a little bit of competitive balance to preserve rivalries AND settle it on the field. With rotating divisions, even if one division sucks consistently, it's just a break for the other divisions (which is unlikely, there will be at least one top 15-ish team in all those divisions pretty much every year). Only way that can really be problematic is if you have two divisions on the same rotation suck at the same time - which is probably unlikely given the helmet schools involved.

The "Best two teams in one division" problem doesn't really matter on the national landscape if the playoff expands to 8-12 schools - yeah, they won't compete for the conference championship, but they will almost certainly get into the playoff, and the reason they're the second best in conference play is (presumably) because they lost on the field.

 

[Dale]

It becomes a beauty pageant then and regular season games don't matter as much under this system, you will already be deciding the national champion this way - lets settle the conference championship on the field?

I'd rather sacrifice a little bit of competitive balance to preserve rivalries AND settle it on the field. With rotating divisions, even if one division sucks consistently, it's just a break for the other divisions (which is unlikely, there will be at least one top 15-ish team in all those divisions pretty much every year). Only way that can really be problematic is if you have two divisions on the same rotation suck at the same time - which is probably unlikely given the helmet schools involved.

The "Best two teams in one division" problem doesn't really matter on the national landscape if the playoff expands to 8-12 schools - yeah, they won't compete for the conference championship, but they will almost certainly get into the playoff, and the reason they're the second best in conference play is (presumably) because they lost on the field.

I don’t get how the two best teams playing means regular seasons games matter less or the championship isn’t settled on the field?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Doyel is a boob and is lowly regarded here in Indy. I put about as much stock into his opinion as I do Big Birds.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Doyel is a boob and is lowly regarded here in Indy. I put about as much stock into his option as I do Big Birds.

Had no idea that Greggg was still gainfully employed as a writer.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Had no idea that Greggg was still gainfully employed as a writer.

It doesnt take talent to work for the Star anymore. How the mighty have fallen …. 😢

 

[Reaper97]

Doyel is a boob and is lowly regarded here in Indy. I put about as much stock into his opinion as I do Big Birds.

I was in the corner of his opponent when he did that charity boxing match back seven or so years ago.
The funny part to me was all week on the radio he jokingly talked trash, knowing he had no chance, then in the locker room beforehand he was scared to death because we were telling him his opponent was going to hurt him for running his mouth, joking of course, but he was still visibly shook.
But during the short match his opponent went about 5% effort on him & never hit his head, only love-tapping his body. But then afterwards when talking to us, he actually talked like he did good & thought he was holding his own.
I told him he should come to the gym sometime & spar, (that way he could see what it will really feel like to get hit), but on the radio the next week he says that we invited him to come train because we were impressed with his abilities…LOL
He definitely thinks highly of himself.
But he did come to the gym and do a nice article on one of our other guys right before he made his UFC debut, which helped him out some. So that was cool.

 

[Goldbrick2]

For an ND hater there are some good quotes in the article...
"The only thing right about big-time college football anymore, the only thing that’s been right about it for years, is Notre Dame. I can see that now, plain as the dollar signs in front of my face. The very thing we held against Notre Dame for so many years, its arrogance and exclusivity, its refusal to play nice and join a conference for God’s sake, is what made the Irish so right."

 

[Irish#1]

Doyle's okay. We use to exchange emails until the Star required a subscription to their online content. Like a lot of people, he never knew the back story on ND and its independence until I shared some articles.

 

[House16]

It becomes a beauty pageant then and regular season games don't matter as much under this system, you will already be deciding the national champion this way - lets settle the conference championship on the field?

I'd rather sacrifice a little bit of competitive balance to preserve rivalries AND settle it on the field. With rotating divisions, even if one division sucks consistently, it's just a break for the other divisions (which is unlikely, there will be at least one top 15-ish team in all those divisions pretty much every year). Only way that can really be problematic is if you have two divisions on the same rotation suck at the same time - which is probably unlikely given the helmet schools involved.

The "Best two teams in one division" problem doesn't really matter on the national landscape if the playoff expands to 8-12 schools - yeah, they won't compete for the conference championship, but they will almost certainly get into the playoff, and the reason they're the second best in conference play is (presumably) because they lost on the field.

I don't understand how rotating divisions is "settling it on the field" while top 2 teams overall is a beauty pageant. Are you saying your goal is to avoid ever having a repeat matchup in the championship game? Because by that rubric you can't have any "out of division" games. Help me understand what you're saying lol.

 

[IrishLion]

I was in the corner of his opponent when he did that charity boxing match back seven or so years ago.
The funny part to me was all week on the radio he jokingly talked trash, knowing he had no chance, then in the locker room beforehand he was scared to death because we were telling him his opponent was going to hurt him for running his mouth, joking of course, but he was still visibly shook.
But during the short match his opponent went about 5% effort on him & never hit his head, only love-tapping his body. But then afterwards when talking to us, he actually talked like he did good & thought he was holding his own.
I told him he should come to the gym sometime & spar, (that way he could see what it will really feel like to get hit), but on the radio the next week he says that we invited him to come train because we were impressed with his abilities…LOL
He definitely thinks highly of himself.
But he did come to the gym and do a nice article on one of our other guys right before he made his UFC debut, which helped him out some. So that was cool.

I know Greggggg distantly through a mutual acquaintance, also via a gym... he briefly trained at the same MMA gym in Greater Cincy as one of my relatives. Idk if it was the full MMA experience or just boxing, but he took it semi-seriously for the duration of his stay in Cincy, which was kind of brief. He went national with CBS Sports at that point.

Outside of the humungous ego that sometimes comes across in his writing, and his track record of wishy-washy sports opinions that are somehow always wrong, even when he attempts to play both sides... he's a generous guy, and was willing to offer me some professional advice and feedback when I was in college, after my relative told him that I was a journalism major. I always try to give him a pass for his click-bait columns in return for him being a quality human being lol.

 

[Reaper97]

I know Greggggg distantly through a mutual acquaintance, also via a gym... he briefly trained at the same MMA gym in Greater Cincy as one of my relatives. Idk if it was the full MMA experience or just boxing, but he took it semi-seriously for the duration of his stay in Cincy, which was kind of brief. He went national with CBS Sports at that point.

Outside of the humungous ego that sometimes comes across in his writing, and his track record of wishy-washy sports opinions that are somehow always wrong, even when he attempts to play both sides... he's a generous guy, and was willing to offer me some professional advice and feedback when I was in college, after my relative told him that I was a journalism major. I always try to give him a pass for his click-bait columns in return for him being a quality human being lol.

Was the gym where Matt Brown trained?
He (Doyle) mentioned to us (and on the radio) he had boxed Matt a few times, but Matt wasn’t really a boxer.
I was Matt a couple times in training camps for one of my teammates who fought Matt twice.
Then around 2014 I think, whenever Matt was the main event at the UFC Cincinnati, we were there as guests to a casino on the border, & we sat with his family. After Matt won & the cameras went to the front row of the crowd I’m literally standing right there trying to avoid the camera but couldn’t. LOL
But we hung out for a bit with everyone from gyms around the Cincy area who were there.

 

[du Lac]

Rivals board is saying SC boosters pissed that ND isn’t joining BIG10. That ND won’t joint a conference unless they were forced. I don’t follow this. Might not be meaningful. Just thought I’d throw some shit on the wall and see if it matters. Could be bs. But from a long time SC poster that isn’t known for posting garbage.

 

[Blazers46]

Had a bad dream last night. It was ESPN airing NDs 2025 schedule.

3 straight away games @USC, @UM then @OSU with all of them getting a bye week before playing us. I woke up and said "Hey babe, the Big10 hates us that much, its possible" thinking she was there in my dream. She didn't know what I was talking about so then I had to explain it to her.... which made me more upset she was not as upset as I tought she should be.

 

[Irish4life]

I have a feeling that ND is going to remain independent.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I have a feeling that ND is going to remain independent.

Now I do also.. I just disagree with it for one reason. Right now we have max leverage and can name our terms. Later on we could be forced into a decision and not get the same terms. We will join eventually. In addition, this is the least amount of pushback by the fan base ever. They may not get so lucky again.

The outside leaks saying we turned them down with no one saying we're in kind of points to that conclusion. ND does not leak info unless desired, but others may.

 

[bobbyok1]

I've heard nothing and no nothing . . .

My view it is the time to join. We will only screw ourselves once more, as we seem to be so good at doing, if we wait until we are "forced" to join. Being forced means you have no options, no leverage. Right now seems like max leverage.

Therefore, I do not buy that we are not joining until we are forced to do so. Most fans would much rather the school make a wise decision to join if it is inevitable that we will be forced at some point. So we wait 3 years and take the crumbs we're forced to?

As Admins would you rather have the fans/boosters pissed at you because you made a good business move, or because you made a piss poor one?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I've heard nothing and no nothing . . .

My view it is the time to join. We will only screw ourselves once more, as we seem to be so good at doing, if we wait until we are "forced" to join. Being forced means you have no options, no leverage. Right now seems like max leverage.

Therefore, I do not buy that we are not joining until we are forced to do so. Most fans would much rather the school make a wise decision to join if it is inevitable that we will be forced at some point. So we wait 3 years and take the crumbs we're forced to?

As Admins would you rather have the fans/boosters pissed at you because you made a good business move, or because you made a piss poor one?

If the B1G is offering no concessions (including giving up ND's relationship with NBC) then all they lose by waiting is whatever money they would make in the interim.

 

[stlnd01]

Now I do also.. I just disagree with it for one reason. Right now we have max leverage and can name our terms. Later on we could be forced into a decision and not get the same terms. We will join eventually. In addition, this is the least amount of pushback by the fan base ever. They may not get so lucky again.

The outside leaks saying we turned them down with no one saying we're in kind of points to that conclusion. ND does not leak info unless desired, but others may.

What leaks are we talking about here? I saw something about some poster on a 247 board who knows a USC booster but all the professionals seem radio silent at the moment.

 

[laughingirish90]

i hope Jack knows that this is bugging the sh#t out of irish and non irish fans all around the country that he and the admin are still being silent on these big ten rumors

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i hope Jack knows that this is bugging the sh#t out of irish and non irish fans all around the country that he and the admin are still being silent on these big ten rumors

I'm sure they're not keeping quiet just for shits and giggles.

 

[Dale]

i hope Jack knows that this is bugging the sh#t out of irish and non irish fans all around the country that he and the admin are still being silent on these big ten rumors

 

[BobbyMac]

It's not just about football. Florida spends nearly $1 billion a year in research and the B1G has a massive academic alliance of similar schools. The theory is that UF would find this attractive given that the sports money would be similar, maybe higher. Texas is in the same boat as one of the best public schools in the country.

For the reason of academics, the B1G is probably more attractive than the SEC for the desirable PAC and Big 12 schools (save perhaps Clemson). Adding ND and Stanford would bolster this.

UF's president spent 20 years at Illinois and Purdue before taking over Cornell.

He's seen the power of the B1G / Ivy academic alliances and now puts his cigar out on the foreheads of SEC presidents that came up through the ranks of 4 year confederate juco's.

 

[BobbyMac]

Florida will not leave the SEC. No current SEC member is going to leave the conference of their own volition.

For like a million reasons.

If the Super conference arms race continues long enough before they scrap it to go NCAAless, Texas & Mizzou, Vandy and Florida (if they get but hurt enough about sharing their state with FSU and Miami in the SEC) are all potential targets.

Mizzou wanted to be in the B1G last go around in 2011, Texas may flip before they even make it into the SEC

 

[BabyIrish]

Pat Forde reported that the preference is to stay independent. But on3 is saying that there have been casual talks for a year now between ND and the Big 10 about joining. So no one really knows.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Pat Forde reported that the preference is to stay independent. But on3 is saying that there have been casual talks for a year now between ND and the Big 10 about joining. So no one really knows.

We obviously won't be happy about giving up our independence, so reporting it that way doesn't necessarily mean much. The relevant questions are: (1) can we maintain our important rivalry games and a reasonable path to the CFB playoffs if B1G expansion kickstarts the collapse of the PAC-12 or the ACC; and (2) even if the answer to (1) is temporarily "yes", are we likely to have more leverage later when we're eventually forced into one of the two superconferences?

If the answer to either of those two questions is "no," then our preference for independence shouldn't mean much, as we'll have to strike while the iron is hot regardless.

 

[stlnd01]

Pat Forde reported that the preference is to stay independent. But on3 is saying that there have been casual talks for a year now between ND and the Big 10 about joining. So no one really knows.

Preference and “the clubhouse leader.” I feel like Pat Forde “gets” Notre Dame more than most national writers. So was interesting to read that from him, especially as it contrasts with the vibe elsewhere that this time is different.
But agree no one really knows at this moment in time. Perhaps not even Notre Dame.

 

[Dale]

Pat Forde reported that the preference is to stay independent. But on3 is saying that there have been casual talks for a year now between ND and the Big 10 about joining. So no one really knows.

Funny how none of them had any idea USC was happening and now suddenly all the phones are ringing. No one knows **** is right

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Pat Forde reported that the preference is to stay independent. But on3 is saying that there have been casual talks for a year now between ND and the Big 10 about joining. So no one really knows.

Both can be true. i am 100% certain the PREFERENCE is to remain independent. its theirs, it’s ours. And I’m also sure Jack has been playing chess for the last year + too