Old Man Mike
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Cack, you asked about Corbell, Elizondo, etc and I've not yet gotten back to you.
Corbell is an entertainment filmmaker and a sideline recipient of a good break for his business. He seems interested in the subject but is a bit player. No one, to my knowledge, knows why he was the recipient of the first leaked film and story.
Luis Elizondo is legitimately who he says he is --- intelligence, ex-CIA, project leader on the small study that he speaks about. He was an "ordinary" intel operative, i.e. not some deep black superagent. He was given the job of overseer for the CIA on this project probably because they didn't want to put a lot of money into what was essentially a collecting operation. Elizondo, however, seems not to have treated this as sh!t assignment. As far as we can tell, Elizondo's remarks on the project's nature are legit.
The project in its later resurrection at least seems to be the product of billionaire Bob Bigelow's influence on politicians. Bigelow has always been intensely interested in UFOs (I consulted for him briefly in the late 80s before he set up his own organization --- VERY difficult man to work for by the way.) Being in Nevada, Bigelow had been a big donor to Harry Reid --- forget the politics, Bob would be seeking influence not philosophy --- and also became more generally influential through his government contracts as Bigelow Aerospace. Thus he got three Senators (both sides of the aisle) to push the CIA/Military to create this case collection project and let some form of team analyze incidents. Pressure worked at least as far as the CIA doing something to get Congress off its back. Whether Elizondo's group was brand new, or a re-purposing of a prior project is not known to the research community, but it is likely that this is when Elizondo got assigned (I'm not an insider on the CIA machinations here and so can easily be wrong.) Nevertheless, some collecting and at least crude assessments were made, and almost none of the collected cases could be explained --- we are still waiting for release of the bulk case documents, even with the expected National Security redactments.
AATIP is something entirely else. This is the Tom Delonge thing. He has been a closet UFO enthusiast for a long time apparently and knows a little about the field but not really a lot. But he has/had money to spend and set up the organization hoping to get the files and assess them with some self-created team. Elizondo, now retired, was available, and signed on. Other people were brought/bought on. Most of these people have no track record in UFO research and so far the organization has shown the rest of us nothing. This doesn't mean they are incompetents, clowns, fast-buck artists, fame grabbers, or spies, simply that they haven't demonstrated any production. (other than showing up in front of cameras.)
The two questions most interesting to the research community are: will the CIA ever release their collected stack of cases? and have they already released some which we have not seen to Bob Bigelow, and if so will HE ever share the data? (Bob's not great at sharing info.)
That's at least some info on this circus. Fortunately it's a circus which, due to insider leaks, has shown some real substance.
Corbell is an entertainment filmmaker and a sideline recipient of a good break for his business. He seems interested in the subject but is a bit player. No one, to my knowledge, knows why he was the recipient of the first leaked film and story.
Luis Elizondo is legitimately who he says he is --- intelligence, ex-CIA, project leader on the small study that he speaks about. He was an "ordinary" intel operative, i.e. not some deep black superagent. He was given the job of overseer for the CIA on this project probably because they didn't want to put a lot of money into what was essentially a collecting operation. Elizondo, however, seems not to have treated this as sh!t assignment. As far as we can tell, Elizondo's remarks on the project's nature are legit.
The project in its later resurrection at least seems to be the product of billionaire Bob Bigelow's influence on politicians. Bigelow has always been intensely interested in UFOs (I consulted for him briefly in the late 80s before he set up his own organization --- VERY difficult man to work for by the way.) Being in Nevada, Bigelow had been a big donor to Harry Reid --- forget the politics, Bob would be seeking influence not philosophy --- and also became more generally influential through his government contracts as Bigelow Aerospace. Thus he got three Senators (both sides of the aisle) to push the CIA/Military to create this case collection project and let some form of team analyze incidents. Pressure worked at least as far as the CIA doing something to get Congress off its back. Whether Elizondo's group was brand new, or a re-purposing of a prior project is not known to the research community, but it is likely that this is when Elizondo got assigned (I'm not an insider on the CIA machinations here and so can easily be wrong.) Nevertheless, some collecting and at least crude assessments were made, and almost none of the collected cases could be explained --- we are still waiting for release of the bulk case documents, even with the expected National Security redactments.
AATIP is something entirely else. This is the Tom Delonge thing. He has been a closet UFO enthusiast for a long time apparently and knows a little about the field but not really a lot. But he has/had money to spend and set up the organization hoping to get the files and assess them with some self-created team. Elizondo, now retired, was available, and signed on. Other people were brought/bought on. Most of these people have no track record in UFO research and so far the organization has shown the rest of us nothing. This doesn't mean they are incompetents, clowns, fast-buck artists, fame grabbers, or spies, simply that they haven't demonstrated any production. (other than showing up in front of cameras.)
The two questions most interesting to the research community are: will the CIA ever release their collected stack of cases? and have they already released some which we have not seen to Bob Bigelow, and if so will HE ever share the data? (Bob's not great at sharing info.)
That's at least some info on this circus. Fortunately it's a circus which, due to insider leaks, has shown some real substance.