UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Cackalacky2.0]

The trans medium flight is absolutely bananas. How does an aircraft fly through the sir then transfer through the water without destruction?

 

[NDRock]

I don’t think that 3rd option is what’s going on. The Navy and DoD seem to be legit concerned. But if it is ours then why is always infiltrating restricted air space and harassing pilots and boats? The ground level command is concerned by all accounts I have seen. I’m not saying it’s aliens but all the people who have publically commented on this that are eyes witnesses say it’s tech that is 100-1000 years more advanced and literally nothing about it has been seen in the public defense arena. If it’s ours it makes no sense to harass and threaten our own military.

Obviously I have no idea what's going on but I think it's quite conceivable we have advanced technology that has never "been seen in the public defense area". I also don't think it's out of the question that you would "try it out" against your own military, which is the most advanced (on planet earth). I would assume very few individuals would be up to speed on these programs, certainly not pilots and other lower level personnel.

The whole 100-1000 years thing is also misleading, IMO. I'd be shocked if anyone watched the Wright brothers gliding on the beach and thought landing on the moon would be a short 65 years away. That being said, it's aliens. For sure.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Obviously I have no idea what's going on but I think it's quite conceivable we have advanced technology that has never "been seen in the public defense area". I also don't think it's out of the question that you would "try it out" against your own military, which is the most advanced (on planet earth). I would assume very few individuals would be up to speed on these programs, certainly not pilots and other lower level personnel.

The whole 100-1000 years thing is also misleading, IMO. I'd be shocked if anyone watched the Wright brothers gliding on the beach and thought landing on the moon would be a short 65 years away. That being said, it's aliens. For sure.

if you aren’t up on what’s been published this year then I recommend you do catch up and I guarantee your position will be different. I am not trying to to be disagreeable because this shit is crazy but we have no technology that can move 80000 ft in a matter of seconds, or move through mediums unharmed like what has been recorded by Navy pilots. These pilots are trained to identify opposition planes and the objects being viewed are not identifiable by any means we have available.

again I really really think there is no way a secret US program would test their projects ON THE US MILITARY By violating air space, taking hostile positions And maneuvers and harassing ships. No way

 

[tussin]

if you aren’t up on what’s been published this year then I recommend you do catch up and I guarantee your position will be different. I am not trying to to be disagreeable because this shit is crazy but we have no technology that can move 80000 ft in a matter of seconds, or move through mediums unharmed like what has been recorded by Navy pilots. These pilots are trained to identify opposition planes and the objects being viewed are not identifiable by any means we have available.

again I really really think there is no way a secret US program would test their projects ON THE US MILITARY By violating air space, taking hostile positions And maneuvers and harassing ships. No way

What about the theory that these things are radar technical glitches or whatever? I am admittedly not that close to this story.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

What about the theory that these things are radar technical glitches or whatever? I am admittedly not that close to this story.

Read up on it. It’s multiple incidents recorded on FLIR cameras by multiple pilots and copilots and confirmed by radar and commanders on the ships as well as DoD itself. These incidents to be addressed in the report were witnessed on multiple instruments by multiple people. Converging lines of evidence

 

[IrishLion]

I don’t think that 3rd option is what’s going on. The Navy and DoD seem to be legit concerned. But if it is ours then why is always infiltrating restricted air space and harassing pilots and boats? The ground level command is concerned by all accounts I have seen. I’m not saying it’s aliens but all the people who have publically commented on this that are eyes witnesses say it’s tech that is 100-1000 years more advanced and literally nothing about it has been seen in the public defense arena. If it’s ours it makes no sense to harass and threaten our own military.

Of the three 'primary' videos that have been released recently, and which will likely be discussed at most length in the report, I saw a Tweet thread recently from a guy that studies UAPs and had some reasonable explanations for two of the three videos.

His explanation for the third video, the one where the ship drops and interacts with the water, he said was a trick of both perspective and the fact that the jets' cameras move and rotate themselves, making it seem like the object was both moving and at a depth that seemed unnatural, but was really just due to the angle of the jet and the on-board camera maintaining a steady perspective, rather than showing the object's actual trajectory like a stationary camera would have. This is the explanation that both makes the most sense AND seems the least plausible to me, for some reason. It relies on the jets having cameras that lock and follow PERFECTLY, which is probably not the case at all.

 

[Irish#1]

if you aren’t up on what’s been published this year then I recommend you do catch up and I guarantee your position will be different. I am not trying to to be disagreeable because this shit is crazy but we have no technology that can move 80000 ft in a matter of seconds, or move through mediums unharmed like what has been recorded by Navy pilots. These pilots are trained to identify opposition planes and the objects being viewed are not identifiable by any means we have available.

again I really really think there is no way a secret US program would test their projects ON THE US MILITARY By violating air space, taking hostile positions And maneuvers and harassing ships. No way

Not sure how you can say that, but could be the testing is nearer to military installations as to not create a huge public concern. The biggest question, If this is someone from outer space that advanced, why not contact us? Given their superior technology, seems they wouldn't feel threatened. I doubt it's another government. How in the world could they be that much more advanced than the U.S. or any other country? They are dealing with the same chemicals, metals, natural forces, scientific advancements, etc. that the rest are dealing with. During WWII, Germany was ahead of the U.S. in rocket production, but not by 100-1,000 years.

 

[IrishLion]

Not sure how you can say that, but could be the testing is nearer to military installations as to not create a huge public concern. The biggest question, If this is someone from outer space that advanced, why not contact us? Given their superior technology, seems they wouldn't feel threatened. I doubt it's another government. How in the world could they be that much more advanced than the U.S. or any other country? They are dealing with the same chemicals, metals, natural forces, scientific advancements, etc. that the rest are dealing with. During WWII, Germany was ahead of the U.S. in rocket production, but not by 100-1,000 years.

If you believe certain characters that have come out in the past few years, the US is actively reverse-engineering multiple aircraft that are not of this world.

I'm not saying I believe that... but if it's even in the realm of possibility, it's possible that another country outside of the US has found something similar, and either effectively reverse-engineered it, or figured out how to pilot it themselves. That's the only *plausible* explanation for any country transcending the natural laws we know of lol.

 

[Irish#1]

If you believe certain characters that have come out in the past few years, the US is actively reverse-engineering multiple aircraft that are not of this world.

I'm not saying I believe that... but if it's even in the realm of possibility, it's possible that another country outside of the US has found something similar, and either effectively reverse-engineered it, or figured out how to pilot it themselves. That's the only *plausible* explanation for any country transcending the natural laws we know of lol.

That's part of the problem IMO. We see conspiracy theory's pop up all the time and on the surface seem logical or realistic, but in the end their theory doesn't hold water or they just can't quite come up with the proof. I'm not a 100% doubter, but until we see something that is tangible credible proof I usually sit on the fence. How long ago was Roswell and nothing has been presented?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Not sure how you can say that, but could be the testing is nearer to military installations as to not create a huge public concern. The biggest question, If this is someone from outer space that advanced, why not contact us? Given their superior technology, seems they wouldn't feel threatened. I doubt it's another government. How in the world could they be that much more advanced than the U.S. or any other country? They are dealing with the same chemicals, metals, natural forces, scientific advancements, etc. that the rest are dealing with. During WWII, Germany was ahead of the U.S. in rocket production, but not by 100-1,000 years.

Please dont msunderstand me.... what I am saying is that according to the witnessess.... trained US career NAVY pilots, radar techs and ship commanders, retired Asst Secretary of DoD, Directors of National Intelligence, Senators, etc are ALL concerned by these DoD verifed events and incidents. They represent a threat to our national security (bottom line) by their repeated and increasing number of incursions into our airspace, threatening activities and capabilties while in the air space (these are considered ACTS of WAR byt the DoD). I think we all understand the concern for national (if not global) security and how serious our military leaders take that. I find it strains credulity that another US government program would intentionally do this to our own military knowing that these activies constitute acts of war.

As to the bolded...they may not feel threatened. They may be just monitoring and observing, but they are also interacting according to multiple incident reports. They have also been spotted near nuclear facilties though I know less about those details.

I agree I also dont see another country capable of devloping transonic and trans-medium flight capabilites without control surfaces or emissions. This would have to be some capability to maniuplate space time and/or solid matter.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If you believe certain characters that have come out in the past few years, the US is actively reverse-engineering multiple aircraft that are not of this world.

I'm not saying I believe that... but if it's even in the realm of possibility, it's possible that another country outside of the US has found something similar, and either effectively reverse-engineered it, or figured out how to pilot it themselves. That's the only *plausible* explanation for any country transcending the natural laws we know of lol.

Yes... hence the concern by the people I mentioned above. If another country had reverse engineered technology and is actively using in our air space.... that in its self is very concerning.

 

[NDRock]

Are there any actual photos or video with decent quality or is everything just the radar blips that have been posted all over?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Are there any actual photos or video with decent quality or is everything just the radar blips that have been posted all over?

There are multiple videos from US Navy on board FLIR cameras plus the pilots real time reactions. Search UAP Tic Tac or UAP Gimble

 

[NDRock]

There are multiple videos from US Navy on board FLIR cameras plus the pilots real time reactions. Search UAP Tic Tac or UAP Gimble

Yeah, I've seen all of those.

 

[Irish#1]

Please dont msunderstand me.... what I am saying is that according to the witnessess.... trained US career NAVY pilots, radar techs and ship commanders, retired Asst Secretary of DoD, Directors of National Intelligence, Senators, etc are ALL concerned by these DoD verifed events and incidents. They represent a threat to our national security (bottom line) by their repeated and increasing number of incursions into our airspace, threatening activities and capabilties while in the air space (these are considered ACTS of WAR byt the DoD). I think we all understand the concern for national (if not global) security and how serious our military leaders take that. I find it strains credulity that another US government program would intentionally do this to our own military knowing that these activies constitute acts of war.

As to the bolded...they may not feel threatened. They may be just monitoring and observing, but they are also interacting according to multiple incident reports. They have also been spotted near nuclear facilties though I know less about those details.

I agree I also dont see another country capable of devloping transonic and trans-medium flight capabilites without control surfaces or emissions. This would have to be some capability to maniuplate space time and/or solid matter.

No worries Cack. I get there are pilots, etc., who can't explain something, but they're trained in how to do what they do, not trained in identifying anomalies. As far as secret development by our government and not sharing with the rest of the military, I can see and understand that. After all, loose lips sink ships.

If it's alien and they don't feel threatened, then why not direct contact and communicate with us instead of the mystery?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

No worries Cack. I get there are pilots, etc., who can't explain something, but they're trained in how to do what they do, not trained in identifying anomalies. As far as secret development by our government and not sharing with the rest of the military, I can see and understand that. After all, loose lips sink ships.

If it's alien and they don't feel threatened, then why not direct contact and communicate with us instead of the mystery?

Maybe they are trying, but we just can't comprehend their presence

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Yeah, I've seen all of those.

Taching back around to the report content, there are supposed to be comments on at least 120 incidents over the last decade. I doubt we will get any substantive answers and I accept not all 120 of those will be of otherworldly origin

 

[Irish#1]

Was just reading about how we finally have been able to prove the how the Aurora Borealis comes to be. Until now most had a pretty good idea, but it's never been proven definitively until now. "these phenomena, also known as Alfven waves, accelerate electrons toward Earth, causing the particles to produce the light show we know as the northern lights."

Could some of what has been reported been something similar? I have no clue, but seems that some of what gets reported could be some weird scientific phenomena?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Was just reading about how we finally have been able to prove the how the Aurora Borealis comes to be. Until now most had a pretty good idea, but it's never been proven definitively until now. "these phenomena, also known as Alfven waves, accelerate electrons toward Earth, causing the particles to produce the light show we know as the northern lights."

Could some of what has been reported been something similar? I have no clue, but seems that some of what gets reported could be some weird scientific phenomena?

I think I’m the conclusions of the report ultimately it will say that they do not know what they but they will this as having gone through a due diligence of what they typical do to analayze a threat. Going back to one of your statements about Pilots not being trained.... they are absolutely trained to identify objects in their air space. Pilots can tell what fighter planes they are seeing solely by profile and exhaust plumes on the FLIR camera among other things. The objects they are reporting and recording are not light wave anomalies. They are real physical things recorded on multiple devices and defy all explanation.

 

[Irish#1]

I think I’m the conclusions of the report ultimately it will say that they do not know what they but they will this as having gone through a due diligence of what they typical do to analayze a threat. Going back to one of your statements about Pilots not being trained.... they are absolutely trained to identify objects in their air space. Pilots can tell what fighter planes they are seeing solely by profile and exhaust plumes on the FLIR camera among other things. The objects they are reporting and recording are not light wave anomalies. They are real physical things recorded on multiple devices and defy all explanation.

You missed my point or I wasn't clear enough which is entirely possible. Absolutely they are trained to identify aircraft (jets, planes, drones, weather balloons, etc). What I meant was they aren't trained to identify something that they are not familiar with or have never seen. They may be able to describe an object, but that doesn't mean they can definitively identify it if they've never seen it before.

On the bolded, once again I fell short in my explanation. I said could it be something similar? What I meant was could it be something similar to the occurrence of the northern lights. An anomaly that could be physical or natural? Not sure they defy all explanation. As mentioned, the northern lights could not be scientifically proven until now, yet there they are. I suspect we'll see some explanations eventually.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You missed my point or I wasn't clear enough which is entirely possible. Absolutely they are trained to identify aircraft (jets, planes, drones, weather balloons, etc). What I meant was they aren't trained to identify something that they are not familiar with or have never seen. They may be able to describe an object, but that doesn't mean they can definitively identify it if they've never seen it before.

On the bolded, once again I fell short in my explanation. I said could it be something similar? What I meant was could it be something similar to the occurrence of the northern lights. An anomaly that could be physical or natural? Not sure they defy all explanation. As mentioned, the northern lights could not be scientifically proven until now, yet there they are. I suspect we'll see some explanations eventually.

Ok. I think we are talking past each other so no worries. Im sure some of them could be something innocuous or just random and rare. Sure. Id bet the majority are something like this. Are the TIC TAC or the Gimble incidents? Not in my humble opinion based on listening to the winesses description and seeing the videos. These things are clearly superior to anything the US has come up with that they are willing to admit to having and they strongly indicate a type of flight and propulsion that doesnt adhere to classical mechanics of lift, drag, and acceleration. I personally think that these two are definitely something humans have not developed

 

[IrishLion]

NASA hired 24 theologians to study human reaction to aliens

The progressive disclosure continues...

 

[zelezo vlk]

Oh is ACamp trying to convince us he has existence of aliens before going on a vacation again?

 

[ACamp1900]

Oh is ACamp… going on a vacation again?

You dream

 

[Irish#1]

NASA hired 24 theologians to study human reaction to aliens

The progressive disclosure continues...

Sounds like they either have some in captivity or they found some flying around out there. Lol

 

[Free Manera]

They expect to find water. That might have germs in it aka life on another planet.

 

[Wild Bill]

Sounds like they either have some in captivity or they found some flying around out there. Lol

Something tells me they'll be a bit more advanced than us and we're probably not going to capture them too easily. Wouldn't it be some shit if we did find "intelligent" life on another planet and they were collectively dumber than humans?

 

[Irish#1]

Something tells me they'll be a bit more advanced than us and we're probably not going to capture them too easily. Wouldn't it be some shit if we did find "intelligent" life on another planet and they were collectively dumber than humans?

Maybe that's why we haven't met them. They aren't smart enough to get to earth. Movies always portray them as superior so we automatically think they are intellectually far superior and can do whatever they want.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They know something we don’t I’m guessing

 

[IrishLion]

They know something we don’t I’m guessing

It used to be a half-joking thing, but now I think I'm in the full-blown conspiracy circle where they really do know something, and they're undertaking a years-long plan to get the general public on board with the idea before an evidence-backed reveal of some sort, so as to avoid chaos.

It seems like there has been a steady stream of increasing "extraterrestrial" stuff hitting the public for 7+ years now, and at an increasing rate, both in terms of number of incidents/stories/ideas, and in intensity.

There are the videos the Pentagon finally went on-record about, the reports being declassified, the government being more forthright in general about UAP's, the cigar-shaped object that was our first interstellar visitor not being consistent with naturally-occurring shapes and NOT following the models for the path it should have traveled through our solar system (it accelerated, but not because of gravity relative to its orbit/path), and now we've got religious experts studying how the masses would react to news of alien life.

Is it all coincidental timing? Is it simply that stories and information are more readily-available and more widely-viewed because of the internet and social media, which makes it *seem* like there is an increase of UFO and alien-related items in the mainstream, when really it's the same as it ever was?

There is something that could be said about the fact that as cameras have gotten better and are available in nearly everyone's pocket, the frequency of legitimate UFO sightings captured on camera by the public has dramatically decreased... but there is also something to be said about our technological advances in general, and the fact that scientists and government officials probably have a much more clear view of far-away places than we are aware of.