One Stop Rumors Thread?

[Ndaccountant]

Schools like Texas A&M will continually have a branding problem until they actually win something. Yes, they can buy recruits, anyone can do that. Clemson, Auburn, UNC, etc. But Clemson became Clemson by first winning ACC championships which they then parlayed into winning national championships.

Until Texas A&M actually wins the SEC West much less the SEC Championship it's a Tier 3 job that happens to pay like a Tier 1 job.

Tier 2 I could see, but tier 3? How many teams are in your tiers where A&M falls to tier 3?

 

[Irishize]

There is no buyout at all but LSU would have to (theoretically) improve on his nearly $100 million guaranteed.

Which their AD would have no problem doing. Woodward is an LSU alum who was AD at TAMU that threw all that money at Jimbo.

 

[Dale]

Tier 2 I could see, but tier 3? How many teams are in your tiers where A&M falls to tier 3?

I’ll take a guess at Bama getting their own tier and LSU, UF and Georgia following?

 

[DONALDIII]

Tier 2 I could see, but tier 3? How many teams are in your tiers where A&M falls to tier 3?

Tier 1: USC, LSU, Bama, ND, OSU, Clemson, OU
Tier 2: Florida, Miami, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, FSU
Tier 3: Tenn, A&M, Ole Miss, UCF, Auburn, several other top 25 border line teams.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

My speculative view is that NIL is going to kill off Clemson as a top tier power.

 

[Dale]

With all the why Jimbo would leave talk, if I’m LSU, I wouldn’t hire Jimbo unless he’s giving up most of the offensive control. His value is no longer with his offensive prowess just his overall HC ability

 

[DONTH8]

If Jimbo left, any chance Elko would take over? Or would they go big game hunting again?

 

[Wild Bill]

There is no buyout at all but LSU would have to (theoretically) improve on his nearly $100 million guaranteed.

I'm not sure it would be the worst thing for A&M if Jimbo walks - they save 100M and they can use their piles of money to hire someone else that gives them a better shot at getting into the playoffs/winning a title.

Fisher has a slightly better record at A&M than Sumlin had through the first few years.

 

[Dale]

If Jimbo left, any chance Elko would take over? Or would they go big game hunting again?

Big game. it would trigger big dick hire contest

 

[notredomer23]

More resources, better coach, better culture, better stadium. You'll not meet a more proud alum than an Aggie.

Whispers (better politics).

I don't really agree about the resources. Texas A&M might have more resources, but they are using those resources constantly going up against Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, OSU, Alabama, and others for in-state talent. In 2021, TAMU got 2 of the top 10 recruits and only 10 of the top 50. You compare that to LSU with Louisiana, you are guaranteed 8 or 9 of the top 15 recruits (usually the top 15 or so in LA are 4 or 5 stars). Throw in the proximity to Texas to pick and choose, Florida, Mississippi etc. Add in a history of national titles in the last 20 years, compared to Aggie not winning one since the 30s. It's much easier to recruit at LSU than it is at TAMU regardless of the resources available.

 

[Rogue219]

Tier 1: USC, LSU, Bama, ND, OSU, Clemson, OU
Tier 2: Florida, Miami, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, FSU
Tier 3: Tenn, A&M, Ole Miss, UCF, Auburn, several other top 25 border line teams.

Tennessee and Auburn have won National Championships in my lifetime, which is more recent than 1939.

Shit, UCF awarded themselves one a few years ago which is also more recent than 1939.

I think there's one tier and everyone else. TAMU is everyone else.

 

[condoms SUCk]

What about James Franklin? I haven't heard much on him and USC for a while...a LSU buddy brought him up to me after the Coach O news. TBH, I'd rather see Franklin at LSU than USC.

 

[Irish#1]

Did a little more research on A&M. Since 1903, (117 seasons not counting 2021) they have had a grand total of 12 seasons with double digit wins. Their best success was under RC Slocum 1989-2002. He had five double digit win seasons out of fourteen. If I'm Fisher and LSU calls, I'm seeing if I can buy the jump seat on a FedEx flight to Baton Rouge.

 

[tko]

Franklin is not a good coach. He might show a little flash at USC, but I don't believe it's sustainable. At LSU and in the SEC, he will get rented.

 

[Dale]

Franklin is not a good coach. He might show a little flash at USC, but I don't believe it's sustainable. At LSU and in the SEC, he will get rented.

Unless they collapse with Clifford out, they are likely looking at

Rose
Fiesta
Citrus
Cotton
- COVID Year -
Rose/Fiesta/Peach/Citrus

Maybe that’s not national championship coach, but, I’d say he’s definitely a good coach.

 

[Dale]

Franklin gets recruits to come to State College, PA and has an OSU machine in division and yet still churns out NY6 bowl appearances and decent NFL production. It’s easy to see the appeal IMO on what he could do in LA or Baton Rouge.

 

[tko]

I guess, Dale. Maybe I should remove my personal disgust for the man. I just don't see him as an elite coach. Finebaum slobs over him, though.

 

[Dale]

I guess, Dale. Maybe I should remove my personal disgust for the man. I just don't see him as an elite coach. Finebaum slobs over him, though.

Oh yes would be very hateable on the USC sideline

I’d be intrigued what PSU would do next. Fickell or their DC Pry IMO.

 

[Reaper97]

Franklin gets recruits to come to State College, PA and has an OSU machine in division and yet still churns out NY6 bowl appearances and decent NFL production. It’s easy to see the appeal IMO on what he could do in LA or Baton Rouge.

Even PSU fans will tell you he is one of the worst in-game coaches in the country.
I’m no football genius, but even I’m baffled sometimes by his in-game decisions.
Something I’ve noticed about him & Brian Kelly, that sticks out, is Kelly is always on top of situations. He knows all the rules, knows all the situations & you will see him running over to his assistants telling them things they should already know or be doing. Same with the officials. With Franklin there are dozens of clips showing him being absolutely confused & his assistants running up to him to tell him something, like call a Timeout now, or decline the penalty, or clock management at the end of a half.

 

[Rogue219]

Franklin is as no show as they come in big games.

11 years, three double digit win seasons. He recruits, hires good coordinators and was able to somehow win at Vanderbilt. One Big Ten Championship.

I have failed to see the hype. He'd pick recruiting at SC or wherever else he goes. Can LSU do better? Yes. SC? Probably not so much.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Tier 1: USC, LSU, Bama, ND, OSU, Clemson, OU
Tier 2: Florida, Miami, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, FSU
Tier 3: Tenn, A&M, Ole Miss, UCF, Auburn, several other top 25 border line teams.

The fact that you have FSU/Miami in the same class as Florida is baffling. Those schools are a train wreck right now for a reason....the programs are losing the $$ arms race and there is no light at the end of the tunnel for those schools.

It's quite simple though, when you boil it down. The top destinations have the following four attributes, in order.
1) Recruiting / Facilities advantage
2) Money
3) Administrative support of the program / stability
4) Tradition / Branding

To be a T1, you must check the box on all four. Reason, to me, that ND is not a T1 job is because of administrative support. ND will always have the academics versus football factory battle. That is the one thing, in my opinion, that separates an OSU or UGA from ND.

At this point in time, with the way TV contracts are situated, if Florida / FSU / Miami came calling to me, I know exactly which school I am taking....Florida. If A&M / Wisconsin / Washington come calling to me, I know I am going to A&M. If my choice is between A&M / Tennessee / Michigan State, I take A&M every time.

Where it becomes less clear, is when you start comparing A&M to places like USC / Michigan / Penn State / Clemson. A&M would have 1 or 2 advantages compared to each school, while losing on others. But the fact that is close tells me A&M is a low end T2 school. The money / support / recruiting can set up any good coach there to make a run.

For me, there are only a handful of T1 jobs - Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas
T2 jobs would be ND, Michigan, Penn State, A&M, USC, Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU
T3 - Tenn, Auburn, FSU, Miami, Wisconsin, Washington, UCLA, UNC, Sparty, Virginia Tech,

 

[Dale]

Franklin is as no show as they come in big games.

11 years, three double digit win seasons. He recruits, hires good coordinators and was able to somehow win at Vanderbilt. One Big Ten Championship.

I have failed to see the hype. He'd pick recruiting at SC or wherever else he goes. Can LSU do better? Yes. SC? Probably not so much.

The guys won 2 NY6 bowls in the last 5 years lol. The year he lost the Rose he beat OSU and won the Big Ten Championship game. So we’re talking winning a a handful of “big games” in the last 5 years. That’s hardly a no show. He doesn’t beat OSU. That’s true. Tough to hold a coach to that hurdle

 

[Ndaccountant]

The guys won 2 NY6 bowls in the last 5 years lol. The year he lost the Rose he beat OSU and won the Big Ten Championship game. So we’re talking winning a a handful of “big games” in the last 5 years. That’s hardly a no show. He doesn’t beat OSU. That’s true. Tough to hold a coach to that hurdle

Without looking, if you had to wager on it, who would you pick has the better winning percentage against teams finishing the year in the top 15 since Frankling got to PSU....BK or Franklin?

 

[dad4aa]

Consider we play real schools like Georgia, Clemson and next year OSU and not a conference schedule…and the big Ten , much like the SEC, always have overrated teams (5 in the top 11 right now) I would guess Franklin.

 

[ulukinatme]

More resources, better coach, better culture, better stadium. You'll not meet a more proud alum than an Aggie.

Whispers (better politics).

They're sure proud of their jizz jars...don't know about better culture.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/sg9bk/turns_out_the_texas_am_jizz_jar_story_is_true/

 

[Dale]

Without looking, if you had to wager on it, who would you pick has the better winning percentage against teams finishing the year in the top 15 since Frankling got to PSU....BK or Franklin?

Probably BK. I hope haha.

 

[irishtrooper]

I can’t believe that anybody is actually arguing that Franklin is a good coach. He’s a very good recruiter and salesman. He’s terrible in game. I’m friends with TOO MANY PSU fans and every single one can’t stand the guy. They love his recruiting, but even the layperson fans can see he’s a boob. He does win some big games, however he’s definitely not a beloved coach. I think their fans aren’t too upset about his possible flirtations….. My opinion is that of pretty much everyone else, except very few, that he’s a good recruiter and talker, but totally full of crap and clueless as an actual…you know coach

 

[NDRock]

Without looking, if you had to wager on it, who would you pick has the better winning percentage against teams finishing the year in the top 15 since Frankling got to PSU....BK or Franklin?

I’d guess Franklin.

 

[Dale]

So good recruiter, hires good coordinators, can sell the
program, has developed guys to the NFL, has won SOME big games but we’re calling that not part of being a good coach because of in game management? I mean I’ll take all of part A over part B any day of the week, especially when Franklin has zero play call control on either side.

 

[NDdomer2]

So good recruiter, hires good coordinators, can sell the
program, has developed guys to the NFL, has won SOME big games but we’re calling that not part of being a good coach because of in game management? I mean I’ll take all of part A over part B any day of the week, especially when Franklin has zero play call control on either side.

Yeah let your good coordinators help you in your area of weakness