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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton were announced as replacements for Rush Limbaugh. Travis making the change from sports to main stream news/politics, like Bryant Gumbel and Keith Olbermann. Will be interesting to see what the ratings will be.

Keith....man....I hope he don't end up that bad.
 

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton were announced as replacements for Rush Limbaugh. Travis making the change from sports to main stream news/politics, like Bryant Gumbel and Keith Olbermann. Will be interesting to see what the ratings will be.

I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

I'll say one thing for Clay...he's not wrong in the two things he believes in: The First Ammendment and boobs.
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

I'll say this...it's a LOT more than conservative southerners who make up his audience. He has a top 5 national radio program.
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

To be fair, what reasonable take does the left have in terms of a solution for whatever it is you pick? He said early and often lock downs are pointless, masks are pointless, schools should be open, stadiums should be full, censorship is awful for humanity, etc.

Given the data that's come out, what was he wrong about?
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

I'm pretty sure there was a substantial group of Obama x2/Trump voters. Doesn't really make him unique.

I used to listen to him on the way to work. He's entertaining regardless of political leanings.
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

This is all about the money IMO. If you go back and look at the changes he's made in his career, they all tie to higher earnings.


To be fair, what reasonable take does the left have in terms of a solution for whatever it is you pick? He said early and often lock downs are pointless, masks are pointless, schools should be open, stadiums should be full, censorship is awful for humanity, etc.

Given the data that's come out, what was he wrong about?

I might be wrong, but at the very beginning I thought he supported masks and restricted movement then changed his position? Regardless, he has been hammering the Corona Bros and policy for quite a while. I've enjoyed his show, but grew weary whenever he started on all things COVID. Will be interesting to see his ratings in politics compared to sports. It will take a while to build his audience, but wonder how many of his listeners will listen to him in his new gig?
 

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Everyone was pro masks for a few weeks. Some then double/tripled down, while others followed the data and realized masks and lockdowns don't do anything. Clay was correctly in this bunch. He is hard on this because the evidence against lockdowns is damning, and the sports arena in general was all for reduced crowds/cancelations/masks on the sideline (might be peak stupidity of all COVID).

I imagine his ratings or "brand" in general is pointing up since he just got a brand new deal.

Brett Weinstein is launching a live stream at 9am CST today that talks about the greatest scandal in the last century, COVID, and I think it's going to be fire. He's already being surpressed on social media upon announcing, I'm really hoping to catch it today.
 

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I hope Clay can keep up the good fight about trying to take politics out sports. He always did a spot on job about speaking strictly about sports. Going to be a unique endeavor discussing politics for someone who never did before - interesting career change!
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with Clay. I generally appreciate his college football takes, minus when he's needlessly trolling ND, but his political pivot has been the most predictable shit in the world.

He comes off as "I'm just being a realist, I love boobs and the first amendment, people get too offended too easily," etc. He wants to play the centrist, reasonable-everyday-American role... but his money ticket is getting his conservative crowd riled up, so that's what he does. He won't tell you when *The Left* has a reasonable take or argument on something. He won't pivot away from the right in order to be "reasonable," and he won't point out the insane alt-right issues that he could lambast as easily as he lambasts the Coronabros.

The dude voted for Obama twice, but he's shifted and allegedly voted for Trump for financially conservative reasons... which, as a millionaire, duh. But I wonder how much his change has been because he is legitimately disappointed in the direction democrats have gone, versus how much has been because he makes money when conservative southerners are tuning in to get pissed off about things.

So Travis is playing a role to cater to half the sports population that the rest of the sports media has completely abandoned in an effort to make money. Wild stuff right here.
 

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So Travis is playing a role to cater to half the sports population that the rest of the sports media has completely abandoned in an effort to make money. Wild stuff right here.

It's less about that, and more about the "I'm just trying to be a reasonable, normal guy speaking on behalf of normal, reasonable people" while actively stirring up the shit at every opportunity, despite railing against The Media for doing the same exact thing.

It annoys me because he really WAS a pretty reasonable dude, if not leaning towards bro-culture a bit too far at times. And he's filling a void, as you note, which is totally necessary in the media landscape, regardless of what you think about the cable news wars... but the hard money-grab pivot is (was) an active contradiction of his many criticisms of other media members. He's never been shy about doing everything to make money, but the way he's doing it is just as shallow and short-sighted as the other media narratives he has always fought against.

But long live the first amendment and boobs.
 

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So Travis is playing a role to cater to half the sports population that the rest of the sports media has completely abandoned in an effort to make money. Wild stuff right here.

I will be surprised if his show is primarily sports in politics. He may start that way to attract the sports fans into the political discussions, but there are a limited number of sports/political topics to be discussed where as pure politics provides something new to discuss almost everyday.
 

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It's less about that, and more about the "I'm just trying to be a reasonable, normal guy speaking on behalf of normal, reasonable people" while actively stirring up the shit at every opportunity, despite railing against The Media for doing the same exact thing.

It annoys me because he really WAS a pretty reasonable dude, if not leaning towards bro-culture a bit too far at times. And he's filling a void, as you note, which is totally necessary in the media landscape, regardless of what you think about the cable news wars... but the hard money-grab pivot is (was) an active contradiction of his many criticisms of other media members. He's never been shy about doing everything to make money, but the way he's doing it is just as shallow and short-sighted as the other media narratives he has always fought against.

But long live the first amendment and boobs.

I don't listen to or follow Travis, aside from a clip here and there and I read that he got a monster deal from Fox Sports so this may all be true. I guess my point is that Travis's audience has more to do with the sports media shitting all over a large portion of sports fans. They created it for him so it makes sense that he continues to pimp them like the whores they are to continue building his audience. He just decided to pick up the 100 million dollar bill they dropped on the sidewalk. That's what it seems like to me, though I admittedly have a surface level understanding of this whole thing. Honestly, it strikes me as insane that someone paid him what they did for some shit website.
 

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I don't listen to or follow Travis, aside from a clip here and there and I read that he got a monster deal from Fox Sports so this may all be true. I guess my point is that Travis's audience has more to do with the sports media shitting all over a large portion of sports fans. They created it for him so it makes sense that he continues to pimp them like the whores they are to continue building his audience. He just decided to pick up the 100 million dollar bill they dropped on the sidewalk. That's what it seems like to me, though I admittedly have a surface level understanding of this whole thing. Honestly, it strikes me as insane that someone paid him what they did for some shit website.

I agree, though I'd imagine he's got an insane click-rate in SEC country, and it likely overlaps significantly with Barstool's East Coast/North East audience. It's a shit website that features pictures of hot girls and quick summaries of the biggest news/sports/pop-culture stories from other outlets...

I'm suddenly getting an idea of how we can make IE insanely profitable.
 

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I agree, though I'd imagine he's got an insane click-rate in SEC country, and it likely overlaps significantly with Barstool's East Coast/North East audience. It's a shit website that features pictures of hot girls and quick summaries of the biggest news/sports/pop-culture stories from other outlets...

I'm suddenly getting an idea of how we can make IE insanely profitable.

How did I not know about this?

Let's be honest though. If someone dropped a $100M bill on the sidewalk we'd all gladly bend over and grab it.
 

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I agree, though I'd imagine he's got an insane click-rate in SEC country, and it likely overlaps significantly with Barstool's East Coast/North East audience. It's a shit website that features pictures of hot girls and quick summaries of the biggest news/sports/pop-culture stories from other outlets...

I'm suddenly getting an idea of how we can make IE insanely profitable.

things did get awfully quiet around here post close on gentlemen's club
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1399726375137841154?s=20[/TWEET]

Now that election is over, Antifa is apparently no longer just an idea.
 

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Democrats R Learning

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1408043745015177221?s=20[/TWEET]
 

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As crime spikes across the country after liberal police reforms in major cities and blue states, we're seeing the result run the streets-
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1409368506626412546?s=20[/TWEET]

Lopez, 27, was arrested Friday on attempted murder and other charges in the shocking June 17 sidewalk shooting, which was captured on video seen around the world.

Lopez allegedly kept gunning for his target, who trampled a 13-year-old girl and her 5-year-old brother out to get candy at a nearby bodega. The children were miraculously not injured.

But over a year before, in January 2020, Lopez was charged in connection with a Manhattan robbery a crime he allegedly committed while on parole for other offenses.

Bronx Assistant District Attorney Janene Carter said in court Friday that Lopez was on parole for three felony convictions and had been charged in two pending cases, including “a violent felony offense, robbery in the first degree and a misdemeanor.”

She also noted that Lopez had previously failed to appear in court on two recent occasions.

She also noted that Lopez had previously failed to appear in court on two recent occasions.

The Manhattan District Attorney’s office said it asked for $500,000 cash bail in the subway knifing, and the judge set it at $5,000.

After Lopez’ arrest, Police Commissioner Dermot Shea wondered why he was out at all.

“I think the main question we should all be asking is how does an individual released to parole get arrested for knifepoint robbery and is walking around on the streets? And is that justice for those little kids?” the commissioner said Friday.
 

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M(any)CAB

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1408944568188522499?s=20[/TWEET]
 

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This is very sad if true. Kid and friend working on his transmission late at night so he could get to his job at 6:00AM. Him and the friend took it out to test drive when they were pulled over. Passenger said the deputy sheriff just opened fire. State police called to the scene and investigation handed over to the State Police. Body cam footage not released yet.
 

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They have got to change this law, it is absolutely un-American. Cops can just seize your cash without any charge or probable cause, much less proof that you're guilty of something:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1433053032984547329?s=20[/TWEET]

The Nevada trooper first told Stephen Lara the highway patrol was educating drivers “about violations they may not realize they’re committing,” and that he’d been pulled over for following a tanker truck too closely. Eventually the trooper admitted having an ulterior purpose: stopping the smuggling of illegal drugs, weapons and currency as they crossed the state.
Lara — a former Marine who says he was on his way to visit his daughters in Northern California — insisted he was doing none of those things, though he readily admitted he had “a lot” of cash in his car. As he stood on the side of the road, police searched the vehicle, pulling nearly $87,000 in a zip-top bag from Lara’s trunk and insisting a drug-sniffing dog had detected something on the cash.

Police found no drugs, and Lara, 39, was charged with no crime. But police left with his money, calling a Drug Enforcement Administration agent to coordinate an “adoption,” which allows federal authorities to seize cash or property they suspect is connected to criminal activity without levying criminal charges.

“I left there confused. I left there angry,” Lara said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And I could not believe that I had just been literally robbed on the side of the road by people with badges and guns.”

It was only after Lara got a lawyer, sued and talked with The Washington Post about his ordeal that the government said it would return his money.

Asked for comment on this story Tuesday, spokespeople for the Justice Department, DEA and Nevada Highway Patrol all declined. But Wednesday, after this story first published online, DEA spokeswoman Anne Edgecomb said the agency had made a decision to return Lara’s money and Justice Department spokesman Joshua Stueve said the government “is reviewing existing policy on adoptive forfeitures.”

Lara and his representatives concede some of his actions could raise questions. But advocates say the case shows how the federal government abuses its asset forfeiture authority, by requiring those whose property is taken to prove their innocence to get it back.

The “adoption” maneuver is particularly controversial, they say, because it involves federal law enforcement using its power to encourage a seizure by state police. Much of the forfeited property ultimately goes back to the state agency if it’s not returned to the original owner, and advocates say many owners don’t have the means or sophistication to get their items back.

Attorney General Eric Holder curtailed use of the practice in the Obama administration, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions restored it under President Donald Trump. Though Attorney General Merrick Garland has rolled back many Trump-era changes at the Justice Department, he has not taken action on asset forfeiture.

“This is an inherently abusive power that state and local law enforcement should not have,” said Wesley Hottot, a lawyer representing Lara with the Institute for Justice, which advocates against civil asset forfeiture. “What we see almost exclusively are people like Stephen who — perhaps had quirky banking practices — but they’re not guilty of any crime. And yet, in the nation’s airports, on the nation’s roads, they’re treated by police as though a large amount of cash by itself is criminal. And that power is too dangerous to give every police officer on the street.”

'Everything lines up'

To law enforcement, Lara in some ways fit the profile of a drug trafficker. He planned to drive more than 40 hours over four days in February, from Texas to Northern California and back. In addition to the cash, he had a stack of receipts showing ATM withdrawals of more than $130,000 over three years — seeming to anticipate the bills in his trunk would draw questions.

Video of the stop, recorded on multiple body cameras, shows a trooper and Lara having a genial conversation, with Lara agreeing to be searched. The troopers pull the cash from his trunk and remark that the bills seem to be new. Lara points them to the receipts, which he says prove the money is his.

“As odd as it is, everything lines up,” a trooper says at one point.

In the video, Lara tells the troopers he does not trust banks. At one point, a sergeant on the scene calls someone — apparently a DEA agent — to confirm the forfeiture process.

“It’s too easy to do an adoption,” the sergeant says.

After Holder banned the Justice Department from adopting local seizures — with exceptions for joint federal-local investigations and gun and child-porn crimes — such cases and their proceeds declined sharply, hitting a low of about $4.9 million in 2017, according to federal data analyzed by the Institute for Justice.

But that year, Sessions issued a directive reviving the practice.

In 2018, proceeds from forfeitures through adoptions not connected to a joint operation crept up to $19.6 million, according to the institute. They fell slightly, to $16.5 million, in 2019, the last year for which the institute says there is reliable data.

Lara sued the Nevada Highway Patrol over the seizure on Tuesday and filed a court motion asking the DEA to give him his money back, saying it was taken without probable cause as part of a program that incentivizes such conduct.

After the DEA told Hottot it planned to return the money, he said the lawsuit would continue.

“This is a standard tactic that the federal government uses to try to prevent people from challenging the constitutionality of their cash cow,” Hottot said.

Lara is seeking a declaration that the seizure lacked probable cause and a restraining order barring the Nevada Highway Patrol from participating in the federal program that allows them to share proceeds of forfeitures. “Which is really perverse when you think about it, because a person who hires an attorney and has to file a lawsuit to get the money back is the person who needs the fees,” Hottot said.

Hottot said he will also seek interest and payment of Lara’s costs — though he said federal courts have often not awarded those to people whose money is returned by the DEA.

Innocent until proven guilty

Lara insists the money seized was his, earned legitimately over many years. He said he typically kept the cash in the home he shares with his parents in Lubbock, Tex., but had it in the car with him because he was planning to look for homes closer to his children that weekend, and his parents were scheduled to be out of town.

“I felt that it was safer that I secure my money by taking it with me,” Lara said, adding that he kept receipts in the car because he likes to keep “tight documentation” of his finances.

The DEA notified Lara in early April that it was initiating “administrative forfeiture proceedings” for the cash taken in the Feb. 19 seizure — which would allow them to keep it, if he did not intervene.

With the institute’s help, Lara filed a formal claim for the cash on April 21. In a court filing, Lara’s attorneys asserted that the government needed to have filed a civil forfeiture complaint or a criminal case within 90 days to hold on to Lara’s money.

Lara’s recent sources of income have been retirement pay from his military service, which included tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, a hospital job and unemployment benefits. His bank statements show some confusing patterns, including widely variable monthly transfer activity, but they also support Lara’s explanation that he liked to keep most savings in cash, and made deposits to pay certain bills.

A search of available public records does not reveal any significant criminal history for Lara. He pleaded guilty in 2017 in an insurance fraud case, which was dismissed after he paid a fine and did community service. In the video of his stop, Lara concedes he had not paid taxes in two years. Hottot said he has since prepared returns, with the help of an accountant, and intends to file them in the coming days.

Former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance said some details of Lara’s case mimic classic signs of money laundering — and to a suspicious prosecutor, his claim to distrust banks could sound “like a pretty good cover story.”

But Vance said the case also highlights why many in law enforcement prefer to pursue forfeiture cases connected to indictments, rather than taking assets in civil court.

“You can’t just take people’s stuff because you happen to find them with cash,” Vance said. “We still live in a country where people are innocent until they’re proven guilty.”
'Just liked to have his cash'Lara tells troopers they are 'taking food out of the kids' mouths'(The Washington Post)
Kimberly Olsen, Lara’s ex-wife, said Lara owes her about $18,000 in child support — about $900 a month is automatically deducted from his income to chip away at that. Last year, she successfully sought a restraining order that limits their contact to brief exchanges surrounding his visits with the kids.

Hottot said Lara disputes he owes $18,000 and is negotiating with authorities to get it erased, even as he pays it down.

Olsen said she thought Lara might have kept his money out of the bank in part so he would not have to turn it over in child support. But she noted that even when they were married years ago, Lara “just liked to have his cash” and made frequent withdrawals.

She said Lara did not seem to spend an inordinately high amount but liked to “show off” the cash itself, and spend it on his kids. She said she did not think he was a drug trafficker.

“He has some problems. That’s why I have a restraining order against him,” Olsen said. “But I just don’t see this being some ordeal where he’s selling drugs or something. I just think he’s weird.”

As the traffic stop came to a close, officers declared they were taking Lara’s money and said he was free to go. Lara grew frustrated, asking how he’d pay for his hotel room and food for his children during the trip.

“You’re taking food out of the kids’ mouths,” Lara says on the video.

“Like I said, we, we believe right now that this is drug proceeds,” a trooper responds.

“Well,” Lara responds, “I’m gonna prove to you that it’s not.”
 

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One would think with receipts they would have not taken his money. You know he won't get the money back that he spent on lawyers and incidentals fighting this.
 

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One would think with receipts they would have not taken his money. You know he won't get the money back that he spent on lawyers and incidentals fighting this.

Such garbage. Make the po-po/feds liable for triple the lawyers fees and $500k punitive damages for this type of shit. You would have much better representation legally and start to see authorities properly respect your property. If you have no leverage against their budget they will just bleed yours out.

From the article "“You can’t just take people’s stuff because you happen to find them with cash,” Vance said. “We still live in a country where people are innocent until they’re proven guilty.”" - LOL at people who think this is true.
 
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Chief Justice Thomas has had his eyes on civil asset forfeiture for some time. It might have a chance with our 5-4 common sense majority.
 
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